Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

a reply to: tanstaafl

Excellent summation!

Kelli Ward (AZ GOP Chairwoman) is asking if those ballots should be considered legitimate or not...

I honestly don't know how they can be legitimate if they cannot be verified... That's not even considering the legalities of it all. Just the reality! If we can't verify, they cannot be legitimized.

But the plain fact is that most -- if not all -- are basically stolen votes whether they were adjudicated correctly or not.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Something about serial numbers missing from ballots.

It is simple...

The original 'spoiled' ballots that are duplicated must bear a unique serial number that ties it to the new/replacing ballot that duplicated it.

The original 'spoiled' ballots are all missing this unique serial#, thereby making it impossible to match them up (origina/spoiled ballots and the ones that duplicated them), making it extremely difficult if not impossible to prove that they were duplicated incorrectly (whether intentional or not is another matter).

I guess the only way is to create a program to scan them and make the matches this expert company should surely be able to do this. If they want to pay me ill do it for them for say 10 grand. But here's what's going to happen you heard it here first. This company will not find a way to do it so they can have a reason to say well we couldn't verify everything so there could have been a fraud even if it is say less than 100 ballots.

This gets the GOP senators off the hook because if nothing is found they just look like fools. Ultimately anything found by this audit changes nothing a group will believe it another won't doesn't matter what the audit says. The audit could say they found no evidence of fraud people still wouldn't believe them. They would just say something like well they just couldn't prove it but it was there.

If the senate wants to protect the people like they claim stop playing games and pass some election laws. That is what a government is supposed to do

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: alphabetaone

I think there's a clear disconnect between people's interpretation of "update".

I'd say that disconnect is between the definition of "update" and "conclusion."

In any ongoing situation -- as the audit most definitely is -- any and all reports of new information or actions since the last report is an update. The Arizona Senate conducting a hearing, with testimony and reports from the auditors, is an "update."

The audit isn't over, the report isn't written and released, and the Senate has not yet (because they cannot) responded in either word or deed. So there is no conclusion.

Only updates.

The update is that there is nothing further to add to what already exists, aka 0+0=0

a reply to: Boadicea

If the audit says that there was no fraud will it actually change people's minds, or are they so made up that they will only accept answers that confirm what they already think?

I honestly don't expect this audit to do more than to further entrench people's existing beliefs.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Boadicea

If the audit says that there was no fraud will it actually change people's minds, or are they so made up that they will only accept answers that confirm what they already think?

I honestly don't expect this audit to do more than to further entrench people's existing beliefs.

Yes

Mirror: AZ FORENSIC AUDIT SPECIAL REPORT WITH AZ GOP CHAIRWOMAN, DR. KELLI WARD, MAY 18, 2021

a reply to: TzarChasm

The update is that there is nothing further to add to what already exists

Big big sigh. It is what it is.

No, the update is what happened at the Senate hearing yesterday. Some folks don't care, and that's fine. Some folks do care, and that's fine too. Everyone can opinionate as they so choose... and opinions are like you-know-what and some stink more than others.

Mirror: EXPLOSIVE evidence found in Antrim County 2020 election fraud case

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Boadicea

If the audit says that there was no fraud...

The question is if the audit can prove if there was any wrongdoing or prove there was no wrongdoing.

...will it actually change people's minds, or are they so made up that they will only accept answers that confirm what they already think?

People will think what they are inclined to think. If wrongdoing can be proven, then it's proven, and most people will recognize it for what it is, and some will minimize it and some will blow it all out of proportion. Because that's what people do. And it goes both ways.

I honestly don't expect this audit to do more than to further entrench people's existing beliefs.

You're probably right. Anyone who has already made their mind up has done so without the facts and the whole truth, so we already know they just want to believe what they want to believe. And, again, it goes both ways.

On the other hand, others will be able to look at what did happen, what is, what could happen (i.e., potential weaknesses and loopholes there are that could be exploited), and address the actual issues that result.

a reply to: Doctor Smith

Thanks for posting the links!

I thought your one link was the AZ Mirror was going to interview Kelli Ward and I was shocked! But then I saw my mistake, and my heart resumed beating normally again.

a reply to: Boadicea
Thanks for the updates and info!
I appreciate it !

a reply to: Boadicea

So often, the new info or "answers" we get just raise more questions. And why aren't reporters and others -- including Fann -- asking the right questions in the first place? So frustrating!

I imagine she already knows the answer and chose not to leak it.

a reply to: 111DPKING111

I imagine she already knows the answer and chose not to leak it.

I suspect your right about that!

So much of what is said in public these days feels like there's one message for the masses and another message for those who can read between the lines... a double entendre of sorts.

If it's just politics, I don't like it. At all.

If it's calling a bluff or forcing them to show their hand so to speak, for the greater good, it might be okay. I don't know.

It just seems there's an awful lot going on behind the scenes, out of the public eye, and that's NOT the sunshine and transparency the people are demanding.

a reply to: dragonridr

I guess the only way is to create a program to scan them and make the matches this expert company should surely be able to do this.

Could you expand on this? Do you mean create a program that would compare scans of all original ballots and all duplicate ballots and then the program would match them?

If such a program could be created to read the spoiled ballot, why don't we have it already, and then we wouldn't need adjudicated ballots at all? That would eliminate one very real way of cheating.

Of course, we wouldn't have so many adjudicated ballots in the first place if the County Recorder hadn't unlawfully refused/denied voters their right to a new ballot when they asked/needed one...

Maricopa County Officials Need to Remember They Are ‘Public Servants’

Damn right they do! For ALL of Maricopa County's citizens. Not just their friends and supporters.

The Maricopa County Board of Supervisors (MBS) should have left the snark on the playground. Their churlish, childish response to reasonable questions from Arizona State Senate President Karen Fann is unbecoming of elected officials. Their constituents deserve better.

On May 12, Sen. Fann sent a letter asking MBS to clarify some discrepancies and anomalies observed by the auditors reviewing Maricopa County’s ballots, even inviting MBS officials to attend a meeting at the State Capitol to clear things up. Fann pointed out that certain databases appear to have been deleted, recorded vote totals failed to match up with the physical documents, and chain-of-custody documentation had not been provided.

MBS responded the way a teenager might if they were caught breaking curfew – by insulting Fann’s intelligence, impugning her motives, and adamantly refusing to cooperate in any way, shape, or form unless legally compelled to do so.

I don't care what they think of the audit. I don't care what they think of Fann and/or the entire Senate. I don't care if they feel insulted. I don't care if their egos are bruised. I don't care if every single solitary suspicion against them is totally and completely unfounded.

They are public servants and their job is to conduct the business of the people fairly and honestly and professionally.

The fact is that they business of the people is to complete this audit, and their job is to fulfill the requirements of the subpoenas from our State Senate, and to do so in a professional manner. They need to keep their feelz and their insults to themselves, because all this trash talk is trash talk against the people as well.

But I suppose if they know their re-election is guaranteed, then they have no need to worry about trash talking the people... I haven't forgotten that each and every one of them also "won" in this same election.

If that's not the case, then they have a prime opportunity to prove it with this audit. If they can.

a reply to: Boadicea

youtu.be...
Uh oh. This don’t look good.

a reply to: Guiltyguitarist

No, it doesn't.

And it looks even worse that instead of acting like servants of the people, and conducting the people's business responsibly and professionally, they've chosen to act like self-centered and self-righteous teenagers.

The Senate needs to respond one way or another, sooner not later.

a reply to: Guiltyguitarist

Ok so, here's why that assessment is completely bogus. If those tabulators actually HAD a verizon wireless card in them, that would require that they maintain a heartbeat back to the closest towers to remain in contact. You dont NEED a suite of administrative privileges nor passwords to have verizon check to see if any hardware on those machines keep sending a heartbeat. Additionally SOMEONE somewhere along the line would need to be paying the bill on those cards (just like a mobile phone) for them to actually have access to DNS server functionality which is the only way ANYTHING is "touching" the internet enough for the outside world to communicate with IP addresses assigned to them via DHCP on the equipment. So why run around needlessly pursuing a group for passwords when you can completely circumvent that? And if this yahoo has THAT much experience in the IT world, he should well know that, its been done for YEARS with far less at stake than national elections.

Furthermore, verizon wireless cards would not NEED a router to function. He should know THAT too. Verizon does NOT MAKE WiFi cards, only GSM and CDMA, there are other companies that make embedded WiFi for local networks better and cheaper, but he seems to be well focused on Verizon.....its almost as if....... he has no idea what the F he's talking about.....for a Master's degree

a reply to: alphabetaone

Yeah but, they did manage to figure out that the database folder had not been deleted.

The purpose (and sources) of this sort of "update" is becoming quite clear.

originally posted by: TheBoomersRBusted
a reply to: Zanti Misfit Jeez, states and votes change. Old swing states get solid, old solid states swing. Shall we forever allocate states' Electoral votes with no changes since the last time my candidate, or yours, won?

The Electoral Collage " Evens The Field " , Without it , California and New York Progressive Liberal , Socialist , Marxist , Communist , Satanists Politics Would Run this Country Into the GROUND . Just REMEMBER That > !