Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

a reply to: Annee

Whew! But don't give me too much credit!!!

It would be more than fair to say I'm a little obsessed with this. I have been since Election Night, when I first heard about Sharpiegate from my neighbors. For better AND worse, I'm going to see this through to the end, come what may.

I'm not sure what this says about me, but it is what it is

a reply to: Boadicea

apnews.com...

Seated at the tables are several dozen people, mostly Republicans, who spend hours watching ballots spin by, photographing them or inspecting them closely. They are counting them and checking to see if there is any sign they were flown in surreptitiously from South Korea. A few weeks ago they were holding them up to ultraviolet lights, looking for a watermark rumored to be a sign of fraud.

This is Arizona’s extraordinary, partisan audit of the 2020 election results in the state’s most populous county — ground zero for former President Donald Trump and a legion of his supporters who have refused to accept his loss in Arizona or in other battleground states. These ballots have been counted before and certified by the Republican governor. Much of the country has moved on.

wow, what an unbiased bit of news from the AP. I'm shocked. NOT!

These toad lickers sure aren't hiding their hatred for republicans. I'm afraid we did the one thing you aren't allowed to do. Speak up. I'm rooting for the truth here, not for fraud to be found. I just want an end to all the hype about the election. And I thought that an extensive audit would solve those issues. It may not, but to put this much effort into discrediting the process, one that should be common place, and not fought in court, sure looks suspicious. If there is nothing to find, there is nothing to fear. Let it play out, and the truth will emerge. When no fraud is found, Trump can accept it, or continue to not believe it.

But the way all this is happening, should fraud be found, the day of reckoning will be epic on so many levels. To purposefully go looking for that kind of trouble, has potential to be comical in a Biblical proportion kind of way.

The article sucks badly, but if you want to see how democrats feel, it's perfect in that regard.

a reply to: network dude

Oh my lordy! South Korea now??? That's a completely new one on me.

But you're sure right about the bias by AP. They don't even try to hide it.

I have not seen one Big Media article about the audit that even tries to objectively report on the issues that brought us here, much less the serious issues since found in the audit. Not even one. I've seen several articles that list the "concerns" with the audit itself. But not about the concerns prompting the audit.

And I've looked. Many times since I first posted this thread. And that was three-and-a-half months ago!

No one even wants to look into the laws and regs regarding the routers, the passwords, the digital devices that were taken from the tabulation center each night. But who am I kidding... they won't even report on those issues, why would they nail down the actual laws and regulations.

But I'm totally with you. Just do the audit, give us the facts and the truth, and we'll deal with it whatever it is. I would be very happy to know that these known issues haven't impacted the election results, and if we can just tighten up the loose ends and close the loopholes, it's a win for everyone!

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Annee

Whew! But don't give me too much credit!!!

It would be more than fair to say I'm a little obsessed with this. I have been since Election Night, when I first heard about Sharpiegate from my neighbors. For better AND worse, I'm going to see this through to the end, come what may.

I'm not sure what this says about me, but it is what it is

I researched the Sharpies. They were recommended.

Which is good — cuz I’ve always used them.

Let’s be clear exactly who is pushing this audit.

It is the Trump supporters.

Even a lot of Republicans think it’s ridiculous.

originally posted by: Annee
Let’s be clear exactly who is pushing this audit.

It is the Trump supporters.

Even a lot of Republicans think it’s ridiculous.

Can that be verified by genuine sources ? 👁️

originally posted by: Annee
Let’s be clear exactly who is pushing this audit.

It is the Trump supporters.

Even a lot of Republicans think it’s ridiculous.

So...uh....the entire Arizona senate is "Trump Supporters "?
Ok

Sunshine is for EVERYONE!

originally posted by: Annee
Let’s be clear exactly who is pushing this audit.

It is the Trump supporters.

Even a lot of Republicans think it’s ridiculous.

so that makes it all wrong does it? Look, you seem nice, perhaps a bit slow, but in this last election, quite a few
"Trump supporters" thought there were some strange issues with the election. Mostly the emergency mail in ballots that were sent to everyone in a state. Now for whatever reason, enough of those crazy "Trump supporters" made enough noise to get this audit. The polite thing to do would be for you and yours to Sit down and STFU until this is over, then we can talk about the results. If you are afraid of Trump coming back, I doubt that's possible, but we would like some eyes on the process, and with this one instance we have that.

Now if you are afraid of what we find, that's a whole different ball game. Why not just wait a week or two, then laugh and laugh with all the Hubris you have stored up.

AZ Whistleblower: Dominion Ran 'Everything,' Rebooted Servers, Sent Everyone Home on Election Day

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee
Let’s be clear exactly who is pushing this audit.

It is the Trump supporters.

Even a lot of Republicans think it’s ridiculous.

Can that be verified by genuine sources ? 👁️

When you have the NYTimes or Washington Post running headline stories citing former Trump officials on the Nov 2020 election, seemingly for no reason, you know the Arizona and Michigan investigations and (leaked) findings, are getting close to uncovering/revealing something major.

Former Trump Official says there was no Dem cheating: www.msn.com...

Of all the things going on today, the New York Times chose to make that a Headline Story.

a reply to: Annee

I researched the Sharpies. They were recommended.

Yes, very specific Sharpies were recommended... the Ultra Fine tip Sharpies were recommended with (iirc) a nylon tip. The felt-tipped Fine Sharpies were specifically not recommended because they bled through.

Right after the election, I saw the actual comparison report of pens which was used to determine which pens to recommend. It was very specific that it was only the ultra fine tip Sharpies and not the felt tipped regular fine tip Sharpie. I don't remember if it was for Maricopa County only, or for the state now. And I know... "pics or it didn't happen." But that's all I've got. I may have posted it at the time -- I don't remember now -- but I have not been able to find it since (I have looked).

It may have been an honest mistake that the voters were given the wrong Sharpies, or it may not have been. But they were definitely given the wrong Sharpies, they did bleed through, the workers refused to give out other pens. Some workers tried to stop people from using their own black ballpoint pens, but not all. Every ballot filled out with the felt-tipped Sharpie was "accepted," but sent to adjudication.

Which is good — cuz I’ve always used them.

That makes me wonder if it was just Maricopa County then, and not the state. It must be.

a reply to: carewemust

Gee... I wonder how many qualifiers an attorney can squeeze into one bogus sentence:

The Justice Department “had been presented with no evidence of widespread voter fraud at a scale sufficient to change the outcome of the 2020 election,”

"Been presented" -- they didn't do their own due diligence?

"Widespread" -- How wide is "widespread" exactly? What are their parameters? Do we need 10 out of 50 states instead of just 5 out of 50 states?

"At a scale sufficient to" -- How exactly would they know what is "sufficient" if they haven't done their own investigation?

"Change the outcome" -- In other words, they won't do a damn thing about it anyway?

Just a bunch of weasel words.

ETA: I meant to include this quote as well:

The department chose not to participate in legal challenges to the certification of the Electoral College results based on that assessment, his opening statement said, declining to appoint special prosecutors to look into election fraud or to ask state officials to overturn the results.

They never had any intention of finding out of there was "widespread fraud" that was "sufficient" to "change the outcome" of the election.

a reply to: Boadicea
The important thing is that the New York Times is finding former Trump people to say again, essentially what they said after the fraud-filled election.

Next, expect one of the liberal (complicit) outlets to dig up the DHS/CYBER guy who said in mid-November, the Presidential election was "the most secure election ever". (Turns out he worked on "projects" with Dominion executives. Was fired when his role in the fraud was discovered.)

a reply to: carewemust

On the surface, it's rather amusing that the Dems can't stand on their own merits (honesty), eh? They have to call in the Trump Troops so-to-speak.

It occurs to me that maybe we're giving the cheating cheaters and lying liars too much credit. It just may be that their general incompetence extends to the cheating and fraud they want to commit, but they are not yet as proficient as it seems. So it may just be that widespread fraud really isn't sufficient to change the election outcome and we're just seeing the evidence of their sloppy intent.

I'm not holding my breath, of course!

But in some ways it would almost be that much sweeter if they did actually win but ending up losing when their poor attempts at cheating are exposed.

a reply to: Boadicea

If they don't show their work in detail I will not trust anything they have to say about the audit.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: Annee
Let’s be clear exactly who is pushing this audit.

It is the Trump supporters.

Even a lot of Republicans think it’s ridiculous.

So...uh....the entire Arizona senate is "Trump Supporters "?
Ok

Sunshine is for EVERYONE!

This senate? But, of course, this is bias reporting unlike Right Wing news sites.

“The Senate Republicans’ audit, led and funded by people who have promoted falsehoods that the election was stolen from Donald Trump, has become a rallying point nationwide as the “first domino” that could fall in a far-fetched scheme to return Trump to office.” www.12news.com...

Well this is curious:

'Rationals' vs. 'radicals': Anti-Trump Republicans threaten third party

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Over 100 former Republican officials will sign a letter on Thursday declaring that if the Republican Party does not break with former President Donald Trump and change course, they will back the creation of a third party.

The letter, headlined: "A Call For American Renewal," is an exploratory move toward forming a breakaway party, two of its organizers said. The group is dismayed by what it says is a modern Republican Party driven by its allegiance to Trump, who continues to falsely claim the 2020 election was stolen from him.

"The Republican Party is broken. It's time for a resistance of the 'rationals' against the 'radicals,'" said Miles Taylor, one of the organizers. Taylor, while serving in the Trump White House, wrote an anonymous opinion piece in the New York Times in 2018 headlined: "I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration."

I remember hearing rumblings about this a couple months ago, but didn't give it much thought. I didn't think it would happen. I thought if anything that the Trump supporters would form their own party. I guess I was wrong!

a reply to: Boadicea

Tin foil hat time.

Maybe the whole point of using this company to do the audit is to make people get sick of it all and give it up?
I mean this company is doing things that would make anyone question them. I mean come on , bamboo in the paper? That just sounds crazy and is sure to turn people away from even looking into this at all.

Seems like the repubs picked the worst company they could. Maybe they picked it on purpose?
maybe their trying to make q believers look silly?

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Boadicea

If they don't show their work in detail I will not trust anything they have to say about the audit.

Definitely. That's the entire purpose of an audit. No educated guesses or informed opinions. The hard facts right down to the nitty gritty of it all.

If they don't actually produce proof -- and that means the records and documentation and whatever else -- that proves there was or was not cheating, then all bets are off. And I don't mean piddly and random stuff like the widow who voted for her recently deceased husband, or the guy that forgot to change his registration when he moved so he voted with his previous address' registration. It has to be major, coordinated and organized cheating, and the proof (not evidence, but actual proof), has to be such that you, me and the postman recognize it for such. No taking anyone's word for anything. We have to be shown, not told. Anything less is unacceptable.

And I'll take it a step further: I'll be fricking pissed if they've wasted all this time, money and effort on anything less. Make that MORE pissed.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Boadicea

Tin foil hat time.

Maybe the whole point of using this company to do the audit is to make people get sick of it all and give it up?

That has actually crossed my mind as well. Fight hard for the audit that everyone wants, make sure there's someone fighting against it, gain the people's confidence, and when they find nothing... "Hey! We gave it our best shot! We really REALLY did. We promise!!!"

I mean this company is doing things that would make anyone question them. I mean come on , bamboo in the paper? That just sounds crazy and is sure to turn people away from even looking into this at all.

Maybe. I tend to think though that the Chinese printed ballots flown in was the disinfo though, which too many people believe for them to ignore it, so the auditors are stuck between a rock and a hard place: If they don't test for it, then people will say it was a sham audit. If they do test for it, then they're just loony birds. They can't win.

So let them do it and see what they find. From what I've read, deforestation in China is so great that bamboo -- which grows and multiplies very quickly -- has become their go to paper source. So that much is true. I would actually be surprised if they found bamboo in the paper, so let them go ahead and test and rule it out. Just put it to rest.

In fact, it seems to me that if the audit does find wrongdoing, but can also disprove some theories (like bamboo paper), that gives the audit more credibility and validity.

Seems like the repubs picked the worst company they could. Maybe they picked it on purpose?
maybe their trying to make q believers look silly?

Or maybe they're trying to make Q look silly... and a lying liar. I don't trust Q, never have and never will. I wouldn't shed a tear if Q could be completely debunked (even indirectly) in the process.