Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: MetalThunder
a reply to: Annee

No ETs but there are other players

REVEALED: China’s State Propaganda Group Boasts Control Over Western Think Tanks, ‘Election Integrity’ Groups, And Even Joe Biden’s National Security Team.

The Chinese Communist Party’s Cyberspace Administration of China has boasted of one of the most critical connections between the 2020 U.S. Presidential election, the COVID-19 pandemic, and the groups and individuals campaigning to stop President Trump and his “America First” agenda, The National Pulse can exclusively reveal.

National Pulse: Raheem Kassam (born 1 August 1986)[1] is a conservative British political activist, former editor-in-chief of Breitbart News London, and former chief adviser to former UK Independence Party (UKIP) leader Nigel Farage.[2] He has been described as far-right[3][4][5] and right-wing[6] by several media publications.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MetalThunder
a reply to: Annee

No ETs but there are other players

REVEALED: China’s State Propaganda Group Boasts Control Over Western Think Tanks, ‘Election Integrity’ Groups, And Even Joe Biden’s National Security Team.

The Chinese Communist Party’s Cyberspace Administration of China has boasted of one of the most critical connections between the 2020 U.S. Presidential election, the COVID-19 pandemic, and the groups and individuals campaigning to stop President Trump and his “America First” agenda, The National Pulse can exclusively reveal.

National Pulse: Raheem Kassam (born 1 August 1986)[1] is a conservative British political activist, former editor-in-chief of Breitbart News London, and former chief adviser to former UK Independence Party (UKIP) leader Nigel Farage.[2] He has been described as far-right[3][4][5] and right-wing[6] by several media publications.

Source of Articles content - in Chinese
高举党媒旗帜 履行职责使命

You sure like attacking messengers while ignoring the Message wholeheartedly
Have a Fine Day in the Land of Nothings Wrong - lol

originally posted by: MetalThunder

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MetalThunder
a reply to: Annee

No ETs but there are other players

REVEALED: China’s State Propaganda Group Boasts Control Over Western Think Tanks, ‘Election Integrity’ Groups, And Even Joe Biden’s National Security Team.

The Chinese Communist Party’s Cyberspace Administration of China has boasted of one of the most critical connections between the 2020 U.S. Presidential election, the COVID-19 pandemic, and the groups and individuals campaigning to stop President Trump and his “America First” agenda, The National Pulse can exclusively reveal.

National Pulse: Raheem Kassam (born 1 August 1986)[1] is a conservative British political activist, former editor-in-chief of Breitbart News London, and former chief adviser to former UK Independence Party (UKIP) leader Nigel Farage.[2] He has been described as far-right[3][4][5] and right-wing[6] by several media publications.

Source of Articles content - in Chinese
高举党媒旗帜 履行职责使命

You sure like attacking messengers while ignoring the Message wholeheartedly
Have a Fine Day in the Land of Nothings Wrong - lol

It’s you who has declared it attacking.

How many times has the word transparency been used in this thread?

Interesting to see who is opposed to good old sunshine.
Or perhaps not.
Same ole
Same ole

Hey, if we throw enough crap at it maybe they will just give up.....


Typical

I find this article interesting for a couple of reasons:

MI County GOP Chair and Lawyer Haider Kazim Withdraws From Antrim Co. Voter Fraud Case After Fighting Yesterday To Stop It...Called For “Ban of Dominion Voting System and Hardware” Only 5 Months Ago

1 -- Because once again it shows that many Republicans have been just as antagonistic and hostile to election audits as the Democrats.

2 -- Because it also includes resolutions promoting election integrity published by the Grand Traverse County Republican Party Executive Committee, with the same attorney Kazim acting as Chair of the Party.

I'm going to (partially) list the resolutions as briefly as possible, because while the concerns of Michigan are not exactly the same as the concerns of Arizona, there is some overlap, and it shows not only the potential avenue for fraud, but the potential avenue for integrity as well.

• Affirms the "right of the [state] legislature to resume the power at any time, for it can neither be taken away nor abdicated.”
  
• Notes that Republican officials' integrity is in question "as we observe blatant election fraud being tolerated by those who appear to lack courage and resolve in the face of corruption."
  
• Demands that the state legislature "withhold the certifying of Michigan Electors to the Electoral College until such time as a full investigation into the widespread claims of election fraud have been completed and voter confidence in Michigan’s election integrity restored."
  
• Further demands that the state legislature "immediately initiates, and conducts, a full third party independent forensic audit of all ballots with the purpose of ensuring the transparency and honesty of the 2020 election."
  
• And that the state legislature "make every effort to restore confidence of the citizenry in Michigan’s election integrity, by conducting a full investigation into alleged claims of election fraud."
  
• This one I shall quote in its entirety: "IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED, we Grand Traverse County Republican Committee demand that the Michigan Legislature bans the use of Dominion Voting System and Hardware because of various “glitches” and ranked choice voting glitches discovered in counties across the great State of Michigan and states across the Union. Furthermore, any and all Michigan voting hardware and software systems must be required by law to undergo independent annual, extensive, ethical hacking audits with the purpose of finding potential points of weaknesses and require those weaknesses to be resolved prior to the use of the equipment.
  
• Also that the state legislature "mandate a third party, independent audit of the Michigan qualified voter file to be conducted annually with the purpose of removing all deceased voters, or voters who have moved out-of-state, from the qualified voter file."
  
• That the state legislature conduct "a random sampling audit of Republican-dominant and Democrat-dominant districts with the purpose of ensuring that chain of custody remains intact during election day operations."
  
• And that they "pass legislation further regulating County Boards of Canvassers, by requiring all poll books to balance and for voter turnout to be less than or equal to 100% of registered voters in order to be certified."
  
• Putting some teeth into the legislation, they also demand "requiring precincts whose poll books and ballots do NOT balance without justification must automatically receive a third-party forensic audit conducted by a bi-partisan team funded at the expense of that precinct’s election workers who permitted the unjustified error to occur in the first place." (I like putting teeth into the law, but I'd rather see the audit publicly funded with civil and criminal liabilities for those specifically and personally responsible for any and all "unjustified" errors. I don't want all tarred with the same broad brush if only one or a few are actually guilty).
  
• Finally, they demand that the state legislature "pass legislation requiring absentee ballot applicants to appear in their local jurisdiction with their state issued identification to request a ballot." (I don't think I like this one either, because the whole point of absentee ballots is that the voter is not able to vote in person, and may also not be able to pick up a ballot in person. But that can be tweaked as needed I suppose).

I would consider these some very basic and preliminary measures to adopt. But it's a start.

a reply to: Boadicea
Thanks for the info and continued updates!

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Boadicea
However, for the most part, no, I do not believe that. My best guess is that no matter what is found, probably two-thirds to three-quarters of the population will accept the results of the audit, and about half of the remainder will be undecided and the other half won't believe even if Jesus personally told them while fixing their fish dinner and serving them wine.

I'm not talking about the total population, I'm specifically talking about the deluded Republicans who think this is legit. More than 60% will still think Great Brain Boat Parade lost because of fraud and not because he turned off the electorate with his assholish behavior.

I suppose you could ignore the 75 million deluded crazy people that voted for Trump, or you could concentrate on the 5 folks that voted for the libritarian chick. But mostly I'd focus on the billions of Americans who voted for the energetic statesman Joey Biden. The true way forward for Bejing America!

I get that you don't like Trump, but to ignore the fact that 75 million did vote for him seems like willful ignorance.

originally posted by: Boadicea
Good point. No matter what the audit finds, no matter what the AZ Senate does with that information, it will not affect the office of the president nor the person holding that office. Not legally. Not legislatively. Not officially.

Fraud vitiates everything.

The same people who pushed and made the audit happen are now exploring just how to file the one legal filing that can and will (or should, if massive results changing fraud is proven beyond a reasonable doubt and the courts do their job)...

It is called Quo Warranto. It is the only legal way to challenge whether or not the current holder of an office is holding it legally.

Again - fraud vitiates everything.

Of course, that doesn't mean I believe the Courts will give any Quo Warranto cases a fair hearing, but the good news is, we don't even need the cooperation of the State Legislature to file these.

originally posted by: Annee
Only “slightly” bias

Annee, everyone is biased. You, me, TV talking heads, everyone.

The difference betwee me and you is, you believe those who espouse things that fit your pre-conceived bias.

I listen to everything, and if someone says something t hat challenges my pre-conceived biases, I will at least give it a fair hearing, and examine any evidence provided, and - most importantly - if the evidence stands up, I will change my belief/bias if it is called for.

originally posted by: network dude
I suppose you could ignore the 75 million deluded crazy people that voted for Trump...

I'll ignore them when they realize that 81,000,000 deluded crazy people voted for the other guy because Trump turned himself into Hillary circa 2016.

I get that you don't like Trump, but to ignore the fact that 75 million did vote for him seems like willful ignorance.

I'm not disputing they voted for Trump, I'm disputing that they're disputing that there's just no way he could have lost because: yard signs.

originally posted by: Boadicea
It would not surprise me in the least if the routers were absolutely blank when/if they are finally turned over.

The thing is, most routers that I have any experience with store very little in the way of logs locally. They are always configured to send all log traffic to a syslog server.

One thing that may be gleaned from them is whether or not they were configured to send t heir logs to a syslog server. If t hey were, then those logs should be subpoenaed immediately. If they are not available, whoever is responsible for maintaining them should be prosecuted for failing to preserve all data relating the the election as required by federal law.

I'm not sure what those penalties are, but hopefully they are more than a slap on the wrist.

Most routers also maintain at least one if not 2 or 3 backup config/profiles that store this information. The only hope is these people are too stupid to properly wipe everything.

a reply to: tanstaafl

It is called Quo Warranto. It is the only legal way to challenge whether or not the current holder of an office is holding it legally.

Again - fraud vitiates everything.

Of course, that doesn't mean I believe the Courts will give any Quo Warranto cases a fair hearing, but the good news is, we don't even need the cooperation of the State Legislature to file these.

You're right, and I should have been more impeccable with my words, and thank you for correcting me.

I do not expect the state legislature to make any effort to change the results of the election. Their efforts will solely be within the state and the state's election laws and processes, depending upon what the audit reveals.

BUT, as you stated, if the audit finds wrongdoing sufficient to effect the outcome of the election, then I do expect others will take some action. Including, but not necessarily limited to, Quo Warranto lawsuits.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Annee
Only “slightly” bias

Annee, everyone is biased. You, me, TV talking heads, everyone.

The difference betwee me and you is, you believe those who espouse things that fit your pre-conceived bias.

I listen to everything, and if someone says something t hat challenges my pre-conceived biases, I will at least give it a fair hearing, and examine any evidence provided, and - most importantly - if the evidence stands up, I will change my belief/bias if it is called for.

I research both Left & Right authors of articles.

There’s a difference between Far Right & Right. Just as there’s a difference between Far Left & Left.

Raheem Kassam/Breitbart is Far Right.

And I get “attacked” constantly for articles that are not pro Trump.

This thread needs balance.

I could have called out Boadicea’s last article where the 2 Democrats got additional labels in the article “radical” & “dishonest”.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Thank you! I know so little about how routers and data logs work, so I really appreciate the information. It might take me a while before it all makes sense to me, but every little bit helps.

a reply to: Annee

This thread needs balance.

Yes, it does. And I welcome it... whether I agree or not, whether I like it or not, whether I believe it or not.

Our elections are for all of us, and everyone gets their say. Not necessarily their way, but definitely their say.

So keep it coming!!!

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Interesting to see who is opposed to good old sunshine.
Or perhaps not.
Same ole
Same ole

Hey, if we throw enough crap at it maybe they will just give up.....


Typical

The behind the scenes threats and pressures are probably enormous. When your family is threatened by powerful people who have no conscience, it's almost impossible to go against them. (Ask Chuck Schumer!)

This should be quite informative and illustrative of... well... many things:

Windham, New Hampshire Ballot Audit Begins — Local and State Elites Ignore Will of the People and Choose Questionable Audit Team

In theory and/or in practice, we now have two different audits being conducted by two different teams, one in Arizona and one in Michigan, with very different opinions and expectations from their constituents. By that I mean that the supporters of the Arizona audit are basically satisfied with the audit team and their processes, where in Michigan the supporters of an audit are not satisfied with the audit team and their processes.

We now have the opportunity to compare and contrast what constitutes a "good" audit vs a "bad" audit.

We will also have the opportunity to compare and contrast the perspectives and opinions of who thinks which is "good" or "bad."

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Annee

This thread needs balance.

Yes, it does. And I welcome it... whether I agree or not, whether I like it or not, whether I believe it or not.

Our elections are for all of us, and everyone gets their say. Not necessarily their way, but definitely their say.

So keep it coming!!!

I space them

Don’t want to be too annoying.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

I'm not disputing they voted for Trump, I'm disputing that they're disputing that there's just no way he could have lost because: yard signs.

I think the truth is a bit closer to the fact that more people voted FOR Trump than any other presidential candidate in the history of the United States, except for the guy he ran against, who campaigned from his basement, and those 75 million Americans feel like something may have be fishy with all this. I'm one of them, as are many on this site. Some of them have proven to be level headed people in the past, so just assuming anyone who doesn't buy what you are selling wholesale is an idiot may not be reality.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

I'm not disputing they voted for Trump, I'm disputing that they're disputing that there's just no way he could have lost because: yard signs.

I think the truth is a bit closer to the fact that more people voted FOR Trump than any other presidential candidate in the history of the United States, except for the guy he ran against, who campaigned from his basement, and those 75 million Americans feel like something may have be fishy with all this. I'm one of them, as are many on this site. Some of them have proven to be level headed people in the past, so just assuming anyone who doesn't buy what you are selling wholesale is an idiot may not be reality.

Because the other side can’t “rally” to get rid of your guy?

Face it — Trump is either love him or hate him — there’s no middle ground.

Do you honestly think those who oppose him don’t know that? They had to get out and vote or live with a guy they hate.

They voted.