This is What's Inside the 2nd Largest Ancient Egyptian Pyramid - Khafre’s Pyramid

originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: Brassmonkey
You know what has always fascinated me is how these pyramids were built. The traditional archeological story is that hundreds of thousands of slaves used huge ramps that were at very slightly larger angles to move the huge 5 ton rocks over a mile and these Pyramids took 100 years to build.

The Great Pyramid only took about 20 years to build and was done by a seasonal workforce, no by slave labor. They have found all of the infrastructure, kitchens and quarters where the labor force lived during the building season.

www.livescience.com...

But a lot of Archeologists are befuddled about the fact that these hundreds of thousands of slaves did not leave any evidence of them living on site for 100 years in the sand way below the sand like utensils, clay pots. Usually when that many people live somewhere they leave something that showed they lived there. The people had to have kids and wives and relatives that lived there.

Thoughts?

www.aeraweb.org...


www.bbc.co.uk...

Ahh yes, that, and with bronze or copper chisels. My whole arsh.

originally posted by: Slichter
a reply to: Byrd

Same excuse they gave for calculus, the printing press hadn't been invented.
Ironically the internet has left many with too many authorities to chose from.

If you think Byrd got her knowledge from the internet, you're just ignorant.
Better stop now - give yourself some time and space to remove your foot from your mouth.

Harte

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: Brassmonkey
You know what has always fascinated me is how these pyramids were built. The traditional archeological story is that hundreds of thousands of slaves used huge ramps that were at very slightly larger angles to move the huge 5 ton rocks over a mile and these Pyramids took 100 years to build.

The Great Pyramid only took about 20 years to build and was done by a seasonal workforce, no by slave labor. They have found all of the infrastructure, kitchens and quarters where the labor force lived during the building season.

www.livescience.com...

But a lot of Archeologists are befuddled about the fact that these hundreds of thousands of slaves did not leave any evidence of them living on site for 100 years in the sand way below the sand like utensils, clay pots. Usually when that many people live somewhere they leave something that showed they lived there. The people had to have kids and wives and relatives that lived there.

Thoughts?

www.aeraweb.org...


www.bbc.co.uk...

Ahh yes, that, and with bronze or copper chisels. My whole arsh.

Nobody cares about even a piece of your "arsh," much less the whole thing.

If you had any sense at all, you'd know that over 99% of the stone that makes up the Great Pyramid (ditto for this pyramid - Kahfre's,) required no chiseling at all, being built out of limestone which cleaves quite easily in horizontal and vertical planes. The evidence for this is obvious even to the blind. It's right there in the Giza quarry.

Harte

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Mark98SS

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: SecretKnowledge

Why the politics?

Great post by OP.


But this no Covid aspect of the video really sticks out - the question needs to be asked.

Cheers.

Well, why didn't you look before posting? Over 8,500 covid related deaths in Egypt as of today. Trouble is, it's not that straightforward due to in some cases multiple fatalities being counted as a single case.

www.thelancet.com...(20)30329-7.pdf

a reply to: Brassmonkey

Here's a thought for you. Based on what I have read from the Bible what I think happened is that humanity got "God" or "gods" upset with them approximately 2500-2800 years ago. It started out with a little curse that got slapped on Israel in the days of Solomon actually and a few smaller ones. But Israel and Judah never really repented for what they were doing and this led up to a major 390 year top level Leviticus 26 curse applied to Israel around 700 BC described in Ezekial.

Those curses played out and then around 20-30 AD when Israel and Judah were expecting a messiah or messiahs actually to put the Israel of Solomon back together something happened. The first century Jews botched the first century Apocalypse. How? Apparently John the Baptist wasn't supposed to die the way he did. The prophesies say Elijah the prophet was supposed to be a co-Messiah. And it was supposed to have actually been 3 or 4 of them. The Lord, his two branches or personal assistants, and Elijah. And it appears the curse that was triggered was to last 2000 years. (Day of Jezreel prophecy from Hosea.)

So to put is simply humanity has been cut off from the "gods" for around 2700 years approximately. And before that the connection was a bit iffy going back all the way to Solomon. Possibly even Moses. So then the question is "What's life like on Earth when you are outside of the curses?"

As for the prehistory of the world. It was a different world at the time. Which is why it doesn't make sense compared to today's world.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: Brassmonkey
You know what has always fascinated me is how these pyramids were built. The traditional archeological story is that hundreds of thousands of slaves used huge ramps that were at very slightly larger angles to move the huge 5 ton rocks over a mile and these Pyramids took 100 years to build.

The Great Pyramid only took about 20 years to build and was done by a seasonal workforce, no by slave labor. They have found all of the infrastructure, kitchens and quarters where the labor force lived during the building season.

www.livescience.com...

But a lot of Archeologists are befuddled about the fact that these hundreds of thousands of slaves did not leave any evidence of them living on site for 100 years in the sand way below the sand like utensils, clay pots. Usually when that many people live somewhere they leave something that showed they lived there. The people had to have kids and wives and relatives that lived there.

Thoughts?

www.aeraweb.org...


www.bbc.co.uk...

Ahh yes, that, and with bronze or copper chisels. My whole arsh.

Nobody cares about even a piece of your "arsh," much less the whole thing.

If you had any sense at all, you'd know that over 99% of the stone that makes up the Great Pyramid (ditto for this pyramid - Kahfre's,) required no chiseling at all, being built out of limestone which cleaves quite easily in horizontal and vertical planes. The evidence for this is obvious even to the blind. It's right there in the Giza quarry.

Harte

Not to mention that the who "built by slaves" bit has been debunked for over a decade at this point. We know where the workers slept, where the kitchens that fed them were, that they were seasonal and skilled laborers and craftsmen, that the arshe tools have been found, the quarries have been found.

That any detail work was able to be done with the tools at the time and this has been proven via the scientific method by using similar tools.and the original results being independently established.

Conversely no mysterious or advanced tools or the most minute bit of evidence resembling evidence of advanced tool use has ever been found. I'm also pretty sure that I can count on one hand in this thread how many people realize that such a find would upend Egyptology as we know it and therefore be fron page news as opposed to this wonder tech being crated up and put somewhere behind the Ark of the Covenant in some off books secret Smithsonian warehouse.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Mark98SS

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: SecretKnowledge

Why the politics?

Great post by OP.


But this no Covid aspect of the video really sticks out - the question needs to be asked.

Cheers.

Well, why didn't you look before posting? Over 8,500 covid related deaths in Egypt as of today. Trouble is, it's not that straightforward due to in some cases multiple fatalities being counted as a single case.

www.thelancet.com...(20)30329-7.pdf

I am not denying there are no Covid cases or deaths in Egypt.

BUT : Why did you not look at the video before posting.
No totalitarian measures
NO ONE IS WEARING MASKS , NO LOCKDOWNS AND NOTHING IS CLOSED.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Mark98SS

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: SecretKnowledge

Why the politics?

Great post by OP.


But this no Covid aspect of the video really sticks out - the question needs to be asked.

Cheers.

Well, why didn't you look before posting? Over 8,500 covid related deaths in Egypt as of today. Trouble is, it's not that straightforward due to in some cases multiple fatalities being counted as a single case.

www.thelancet.com...(20)30329-7.pdf

Egypt has a population of 100.4 million. About one third that of the USA. So 66,000 deaths would put them on the same level.

Maybe they just forgot to lump Heart disease deaths together with Covid deaths (since heart disease killed 600,000 Americans in 2019, and 60% of the deaths "by covid" in my state had heart disease.)

a reply to: Harte

A diary entry from the 1922 Howard Carter pyramid exploit showed up in part 3 of the CIA Kryptos puzzle.

Aleister Crowley spent three nights in the Kings chamber 18 years earlier in 1904 where he was claimed to have channeled an entity named Aiwass. Egypt's former antiquities minister from 1997 till 2011 was named Zahi Hawass. So who was the "Osiris of antiquities" in 1904 when Crowley and his wife got the invite? Also possible there is a link to the establishment of the metre in 1793 to the math of the pyramids that goes beyond the 11*163 coincidence.

The more imperishable granite used for the pyramids was quarried from places like Aswan.

a reply to: M5xaz

Sweden tried that too.
www.reuters.com...

Population of 10 million. 9,667 deaths, or about 10k. That puts their death rate about 50% higher than the USA.


But Egypt's death rate is only 13% of the USA.

It seems like the better your healthcare system, the more Covid deaths you get?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: M5xaz

Sweden tried that too.
www.reuters.com...

Given the gross unreliability of PCR tests and how they depend on the chosen cycle threshold for positive result, the better metric is death per 1 million people

Sweden: 1019 (with no wrecked economy)
Spain: 1140 (with lockdowns, wrecked economy, and totalitarian socialists you so admire)
Italy: 1360 (with lockdown and wrecked economy)
France: 1040 (with lockdown and wrecked economy)
www.worldometers.info...?%22%20%5Cl%20%22countries

Furthermore, papers are coming out showing that lockdowns offer NO benefits, a position the WHO has had for over 2 months
onlinelibrary.wiley.com...


But getting back to the topic at hand, great job by OP

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Mark98SS

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: SecretKnowledge

Why the politics?

Great post by OP.


But this no Covid aspect of the video really sticks out - the question needs to be asked.

Cheers.

Well, why didn't you look before posting? Over 8,500 covid related deaths in Egypt as of today. Trouble is, it's not that straightforward due to in some cases multiple fatalities being counted as a single case.

www.thelancet.com...(20)30329-7.pdf

Egypt has a population of 100.4 million. About one third that of the USA. So 66,000 deaths would put them on the same level.

Maybe they just forgot to lump Heart disease deaths together with Covid deaths (since heart disease killed 600,000 Americans in 2019, and 60% of the deaths "by covid" in my state had heart disease.)

Not really, not the same level of inner city living, not the same weather, less travel between different areas of the country, like for like doesn't work.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Mark98SS

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: SecretKnowledge

Why the politics?

Great post by OP.


But this no Covid aspect of the video really sticks out - the question needs to be asked.

Cheers.

Well, why didn't you look before posting? Over 8,500 covid related deaths in Egypt as of today. Trouble is, it's not that straightforward due to in some cases multiple fatalities being counted as a single case.

www.thelancet.com...(20)30329-7.pdf

Egypt has a population of 100.4 million. About one third that of the USA. So 66,000 deaths would put them on the same level.

Maybe they just forgot to lump Heart disease deaths together with Covid deaths (since heart disease killed 600,000 Americans in 2019, and 60% of the deaths "by covid" in my state had heart disease.)

Not really, not the same level of inner city living, not the same weather, less travel between different areas of the country, like for like doesn't work.

Egypt has much worse slum with very poor sanitation in very dense population centers, and health care nothing like the US. If anything, Covid should be far far worse in Egypt than the US, much worse, not the relatively small current numbers

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Mark98SS

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: SecretKnowledge

Why the politics?

Great post by OP.


But this no Covid aspect of the video really sticks out - the question needs to be asked.

Cheers.

Well, why didn't you look before posting? Over 8,500 covid related deaths in Egypt as of today. Trouble is, it's not that straightforward due to in some cases multiple fatalities being counted as a single case.

www.thelancet.com...(20)30329-7.pdf

Egypt has a population of 100.4 million. About one third that of the USA. So 66,000 deaths would put them on the same level.

Maybe they just forgot to lump Heart disease deaths together with Covid deaths (since heart disease killed 600,000 Americans in 2019, and 60% of the deaths "by covid" in my state had heart disease.)

Not really, not the same level of inner city living, not the same weather, less travel between different areas of the country, like for like doesn't work.

Sweden has a population density of 24.98 Egypt has a population density of 100.24

As you can see on these maps, there are many swaths of land around Cairo with population density in excess of 1000 people per square kilometer.



Wheras in Sweden, there are a few scattered dots.

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

So? Most of Africa currently has lower death rates than many more 'advanced' countries. Why do you find it suspicious when you focus on a couple of things you think are the main contributors? Egypt average age is 24, USA is 38, Sweden is 41. Coronavirus 19 is certainly more deadly in the elderly. If the heat is a factor, which is certainly thought by many is also a point.

Not much to do with the pyramid though is it?

originally posted by: Brassmonkey
You know what has always fascinated me is how these pyramids were built. The traditional archeological story is that hundreds of thousands of slaves used huge ramps that were at very slightly larger angles to move the huge 5 ton rocks over a mile and these Pyramids took 100 years to build.

But a lot of Archeologists are befuddled about the fact that these hundreds of thousands of slaves did not leave any evidence of them living on site for 100 years in the sand way below the sand like utensils, clay pots. Usually when that many people live somewhere they leave something that showed they lived there. The people had to have kids and wives and relatives that lived there.

Thoughts?

Did you just ignore the last 50 years of archology? No one believe that i guess except you. There were no slaves there were paid workers. And they lived in workers camps near the pyramid.

www.bbc.co.uk...

I watched both Bright Insight's videos as well as one put out by the fellow traveling along with Jimmy on the tour (Uncharted X if I remember right). The video from Uncharted X had less raw footage than Jimmy's but went into much better historical context and discussion on some of the architectural mysteries about the /interior/ of the structures, and this really fascinated me.



Words can't really describe the amazing beauty, remarkable geometry and pinpoint (yes as in needle tip of a pin) precision that went into ... "carving?" ... these granite boxes and even the vaulted chambers of granite that house them. If you have some time, I'd recommend watching the video link ^^^^ above that meticulously presents video and narration of just how finely crafted, granular in scale these boxes are.

The question that I keep thinking about is, how were the giant granite "boxes" (what appear to be sarcophagi carved from a single block of granite!) produced? The obvious dilemma is that the dimension of the boxes surpasses the size of the shafts to enter into the structures if I understand right, so it doesn't seem possible that they could have been externally carved and heaved/hoed into the interior.

I had never heard of this theory of "geo-polymers" before watching the video. In a nutshell, the idea behind geo-polymers sounds like to construct a beautiful piece like a giant sarcophagus, //igneous rock was liquiefied/melted and then re-cast in a mold to produce the amazingly precise craftsmanship// . This theory skirts the entire issue of how a massive uni-material box came to exist inside chambers with shafts IIRC sometimes only 3'x3' in size. The presenter of Uncharted X did a pretty thorough job, in my view, of debunking the idea of melting and re-casting granite; he rattled off about 6-7 reasons that it doesn't make sense.

So then....how else could the boxes have come to rest where they are now, a number of meters down into chambers carved from bedrock beneath pyramids, with shapes larger than the shafts to enter/exit the complex? Were they discovered as veins of material in the Earth excavated in the chambers and carved, in situ? But, how the heck did they carve them?? There are no tool marks on the pieces, not to mention they would need a substance of remarkable hardness to even think about chiseling the granite. The mathematical regularity (within thousands of an inch!!) of the dimensions is stunning. Anyone that has done finish carpentry (I did door/window framing and base board molding in my old house) and understands that it's no cake walk to get within /tenths/ of inches of precision in hard wood with modern saws.

I have to say that I love thinking about the questions of the external construction of the pyramids, but never knew much about some of the intrigue on the internal structure/furnishings of the pyramids' embedded chambers.

Really terrific thread, and I enjoy the material that Bright Insights and Uncharted X put together from their trip on site.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Mark98SS

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: SecretKnowledge

Why the politics?

Great post by OP.


But this no Covid aspect of the video really sticks out - the question needs to be asked.

Cheers.

Well, why didn't you look before posting? Over 8,500 covid related deaths in Egypt as of today. Trouble is, it's not that straightforward due to in some cases multiple fatalities being counted as a single case.

www.thelancet.com...(20)30329-7.pdf

I am not denying there are no Covid cases or deaths in Egypt.

BUT : Why did you not look at the video before posting.
No totalitarian measures
NO ONE IS WEARING MASKS , NO LOCKDOWNS AND NOTHING IS CLOSED.

I did watch the video, but it's not related to the actual issue the you raised and so is just misleading for the point you raised. If you would look, Egypt have rules in place around social distancing. There was a lockdown during 2020 and a second was being raised in December of 2020 as a possibility. How do you know nothing is closed or are you using a video on a total unrelated subject as evidence of that?

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Mark98SS

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: SecretKnowledge

Why the politics?

Great post by OP.


But this no Covid aspect of the video really sticks out - the question needs to be asked.

Cheers.

Well, why didn't you look before posting? Over 8,500 covid related deaths in Egypt as of today. Trouble is, it's not that straightforward due to in some cases multiple fatalities being counted as a single case.

www.thelancet.com...(20)30329-7.pdf

I am not denying there are no Covid cases or deaths in Egypt.

BUT : Why did you not look at the video before posting.
No totalitarian measures
NO ONE IS WEARING MASKS , NO LOCKDOWNS AND NOTHING IS CLOSED.

So, thinking that I may be missing something really obvious, but looking again, based on that video, the only location showed is the pyramid itself, so gives no indication that nothing is closed. Almost if not all the interaction between individuals is outside and appears to have a level of social distancing. I don't think there is anything in place around masks being worn outside in Egypt, but there is inside.

So probably best to enjoy the video for what it is trying to show rather than draw conclusions about unrelated subjects on the basis of it?