Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

Hi Dear friends.
After 5 years of arguing...... Its so great to know that I was correct after all this time. Thedebrief article is a BOMBSHELL.
Take care.

originally posted by: mirageman
I don't have any doubts that the Pentagon covers up and lies to the public. But I remain unconvinced that the United States military could be the only organisation on Earth to harbour the secret of alien visitation. I think it's more likely the military is paranoid about letting out what it knows and even worse, what it doesn't know.

The UFO phenomenon affects the whole world but is mainly detected in the airspace.
The US military has more advanced equipment and covers a larger area.

This continuous policy of promotion and denial is what enables the military to hide secret testing and use UFO reports as a method to do so.

I think many UFO cases were used or invented as an intelligence strategy during the Cold War.
But in the 90s the phenomenon had to resize instead they always used the "promotion and denial" strategy.
Then came Corso's book and Greer's Disclosure Project, I think these events led to the opening of UFO archives by different nations.
It is clear that the UFO phenomenon cannot be just a way to cover up secret military tests.
The UFO problem is very large: crop circles, Marian apparitions ... are often accompanied by UFO sightings.

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The UFO phenomenon affects the whole world but is mainly detected in the airspace. The US military has more advanced equipment and covers a larger area.

I don't quite get what you mean. There are also civilian radars, satellites and sensor systems in almost every nation across the world. So far no one has confirmed anything of unearthly origin under intelligent control. Perhaps we missed a chance with Oumuamua? Maybe it was jut a big rock?

I think many UFO cases were used or invented as an intelligence strategy during the Cold War. But in the 90s the phenomenon had to resize instead they always used the "promotion and denial" strategy.

By the end of the 90ss ufology was living on the fumes of X-Files driven paranoia. Roswell's 50th anniversary showed how it had become just another part of the entertainment industry. With much of the more serious research almost blinking out like the Phoenix Lights in 1997.

Then came Corso's book and Greer's Disclosure Project, I think these events led to the opening of UFO archives by different nations.

It was mainly decisions taken in those separate nations and the expansion of the World Wide Web. Which allowed an efficient and cheap way of distributing document archives. Nothing to do with either of them.

Corso's book was full of inaccuracies. Claiming technology we now have comes directly from the Roswell crash. When in fact we already had technology to build paper, sticks and rubber .

In fact it so full of false claims that it is listed as Literature & Fiction on listings from out of the Brazilian rainforest.

Greer may have started out with honest intentions, but rapidly became a charlatan and a grifter.

It is clear that the UFO phenomenon cannot be just a way to cover up secret military tests.

I agree. Human psychology plays a huge part. Many cases have also been resolved beyond any reasonable doubt. But there are still mysteries to be solved.

The UFO problem is very large: crop circles, Marian apparitions ... are often accompanied by UFO sightings.

Crop circles are very much man made. Rural graffiti. No one claims aliens create urban graffiti, do they? But never mind.

originally posted by: mirageman
I don't quite get what you mean. There are also civilian radars, satellites and sensor systems in almost every nation across the world. So far no one has confirmed anything of unearthly origin under intelligent control. Perhaps we missed a chance with Oumuamua? Maybe it was jut a big rock?

I mean that the US military has the means to be able to give us more details.
Kirkpatrick said UFOs are detected at the same altitude as military aircraft.
Civilian radars are focused on transponders, small objects are classified as noise ...
In my opinion, there are many footages about UFOs, Kirkpatrick showed one during his last report.
Saying "we don't know what they are" is different from saying "they don't exist"

By the end of the 90ss ufology was living on the fumes of X-Files driven paranoia. Roswell's 50th anniversary showed how it had become just another part of the entertainment industry. With much of the more serious research almost blinking out like the Phoenix Lights in 1997.

This is your interpretation ...

It was mainly decisions taken in those separate nations and the expansion of the World Wide Web. Which allowed an efficient and cheap way of distributing document archives. Nothing to do with either of them
Corso's book was full of inaccuracies. Claiming technology we now have comes directly from the Roswell crash. When in fact we already had technology to build paper, sticks and rubber

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In my opinion the opening of the archives was not a random decision but a process that has matured over time. It was the pressure from ufologists that created the conditions ....
You can think what you like
The TTSA also did not fall from the sky ...

Greer may have started out with honest intentions, but rapidly became a charlatan and a grifter.

I agree and he's not the only one

Crop circles are very much man made. Rural graffiti. No one claims aliens create urban graffiti, do they? But never mind.

Many but not all ...
The crop circles created by men arrived later, now the phenomenon is completely compromised.
There are too many question marks left open ...
Hasselhoff has responded to all criticisms, gravitropism has been disproved.

This might reveal a few things about Big Bobelow....



He rarely gives interviews.

originally posted by: Celltype
Hi Dear friends.
After 5 years of arguing...... Its so great to know that I was correct after all this time. Thedebrief article is a BOMBSHELL.
Take care.

Celtyspecific with another nothing burger. Find work son and get a hobby too, and your meds ofc

a reply to: Celltype

Lol. Still a lot of arguing out there regardless of all the bombshells we get every year Celty.

originally posted by: mirageman
This might reveal a few things about Big Bobelow....
He rarely gives interviews.

Maybe he also talks about the Grusch question ...
He says the "materials" are held by private companies, so they are unreachable by FOIA
Mellon also talks about revealers

Since AARO was established, I have referred four witnesses to them who claim to have knowledge of a secret U.S. government program involving the analysis and exploitation of materials recovered from off-world craft.

www.politico.com...

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It says the video is unlisted. Just curious as to why it is. I'm assuming it was public when you found it?

a reply to: Skeletonized

It was a preview before being generally released on the channel.

I noted Jeffery Mishlove the interviewer also won the Bigelow Institute for Consciousness Studies Essay award in late 2021 with a huge $500,000 cash prize. Few best-selling books make that much cash. I question why Bigelow gave away so much for an essay?

But there are a lot of questions about the man.

Some new information courtesy of Blackvault.

Apparently Zondo's infamous "Differed Retirement" Letter was preceded by this one.



The second badly typed letter was sent to the USDI Chief of Staff at the time, General Mattis.

His supervisor asked questions about the 'provenance' of it, and that Zondo had even claimed he worked for General Mattis.



Loads more info here : www.theblackvault.com...

And for those who prefer video

a reply to: mirageman
Incredible!

This Elizondo story is like an onion. We keep peeling back layer after layer after layer trying to figure out what's going on, and there are still more layers. What's interesting is the pentagon too was having a hard time figuring out what's going on with Elizondo's various resignation letters, etc.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
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For some reason, when I listen to Mishlove, I think this guy seems like a charismatic cult leader who could invite us over to be part of his cult, then offer us some special kool-aid when the next comet passes by so we can leave our earthly bodies and join the aliens passing by on the comet. Just a crazy thought, maybe I heard too much about heavens gate.

Interesting.




The2024 Intelligence Authorization ActIAA, S. 2103) contains a requirement for

....Any person currently or formerly under contract with the Federal Government that has in their possession material or information provided by or derived from the Federal Government relating to unidentified anomalous phenomena that formerly or currently is protected by any form of special access or restricted access shall—

(1) not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, notify the Director of such possession; and

(2) not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, make available to the Director for assessment, analysis, and inspection—

(A) all such material and information; and

(B) a comprehensive list of all non-earth origin or exotic unidentified anomalous phenomena material.

Source

This effectively means that Bob Lazar now has to notify the Director of AARO within 60 days of enactment that he has buried Element 115 somewhere. He will then have to provide this material within 180 days.

I feel a multi-name road movie coming out in the near future.

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Hmmmmm……birds of a feather……perhaps you’ll be proved to be right.


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originally posted by: mirageman
Interesting.

This effectively means that Bob Lazar now has to notify the Director of AARO within 60 days of enactment that he has buried Element 115 somewhere. He will then have to provide this material within 180 days.

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 ….. as if……

That’s a knee slapper….I’m sure.

Really…..if you think about it…..now’s the time for Lazar to “clear” his name. Now he has the new government instruments to re-Whistleblow….. Area 51 and S-4

Georgi Porgi could also fill out the request and corroborate Lazar’s stories.

I feel it’s time to put up or shutup.

After all the years of innuendo and chastising to produce evidence…..you would think he’ll come forward again.

Perhaps he is in the works for restating his case……..what do I know?

I believe….Lazar is the last one, still with a pulse…..all the rest of the S-4 informers are pushing daisies.



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Fravor with a new interview on the Merged Podcast with Greaves.



Interesting to see how he seems to now accept the Lazar story.

Did we already know that when AATIP contacted Fravor regarding the official unofficial incident follow up in 2009- Fravor was specifically told AATIP was outside of FOIA process?

Confirms it was Jay Stratton who called him from AATIP.

Still fairly convinced he is telling the truth - even becoming a Lazar apologist could be explained by the fact he probably DID see something hard to explain so his eveidential requirement is lower.

The fact he never seems to have discussed possibilities of things like LIPF's makes me worry he doesn't know about them.

If LIPF's work like the papers suggest- it wouldnt be too hard to imagine creating artificial exotic matter objects with tunable properties which reflect/scatter light based on some sort of ray tracing software model you run in the background as a guide.


That would give the type of results everyone's eyes and brain (including all the aviators) would perceive as a solid object- but doesnt require you to solve Gravity in the process.

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Him accepting the lazar story is enough evidence for me to chalk another grifter. Tptb have stirred an enormous storm of old hoaxes coming to the front in recent months. Hell even serpo was brought up. Another day in ufo circles as usual

a reply to: IMSAM

Am not a Lazar fan myself- but could understand how when presented with something you really think is real- it influences your future decisions/opinions.

If you havent listened yet- give it a go as I haven't see anything even remotely grifter like in any of his appearances so far.

A disbelief that someone might test something on you/forget you might be around is to be expected from such types - it's not proof of grift.

originally posted by: Jukiodone
a reply to: IMSAM
If you havent listened yet- give it a go as I haven't see anything even remotely grifter like in any of his appearances so far.

Really? What about his stories on Joe Rogan's show that he and his buddies liked to hoax UFO sightings at campsites? Sounds to me like he was grifting the campers and loving it. At least he thought he was; I don't know if I've heard any UFO reports from those campsites but I think most UFOs sightings go unreported.

How Cmdr. David Fravor Used to Fake UFO Sightings

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
I believe….Lazar is the last one, still with a pulse…..all the rest of the S-4 informers are pushing daisies.

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What about TD Barnes? He used to work at area-51 and is the president of the "club" or association of ex-A51 employees called the "roadrunners", and he informs about S-4 in this interview:

TD Barnes, Roadrunners president, talks about Lazar, S-4, etc

Again, I didn't embed it, because it's queued to start at the correct time of 22:50, and you can't do that with embedded videos.