Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

Lue Elizondo searches for an underwater UFO base.

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a reply to: Baablacksheep

A true Eureka moment.

We detected the rise in sea levels the moment he entered the water.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep

Lue Elizondo searches for an underwater UFO base.

www.youtube.com...

Wow - that was as lame as they come... 60 seconds of Louie-blubber finding ...nothing.

The implication from the theme song - "Wipeout", however, was quite apropos.

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Yes but its damn funny )))

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I see you are the Professor Simon again MM. As far as Lue goes swimming with the fishes, what can one say.

In the April 19 report Kirkpatrick shows a new video

source: www.space.com...

Kirkpatrick stressed that there simply aren't enough data collected to make an accurate assessment of what the spherical object or phenomenon in the video might be. "This is essentially all of the data we have associated with this event from some years ago," Kirkpatrick told the Senate committee. "It is going to be virtually impossible to fully identify that just based off of that video."

But in his conclusions he seems to downplay the presence of these clearly inexplicable objects.

"I want to underscore today that only a very small percentage of UAP reports display signatures that could reasonably be described as anomalous," Kirkpatrick stated in Wednesday's hearing. "The majority of unidentified objects reported to AARO demonstrate mundane characteristics of balloons, [uncrewed] aerial systems, clutter, natural phenomena or other readily explainable sources." The AARO director added that if anyone has any evidence of otherworldly visitation or alternative theories, they should submit that evidence for peer review in scientific journals. "AARO is working very hard to do the same," Kirkpatrick stated. "That is how science works, not by blog or social media."

These words give me the feeling that they are not understanding anything, he is asking for help from those who know something.
I think only the senior staff of the Pentagon can answer, maybe he should read more blogs and socials ...
We are close to closing the AARO with the same conclusions as the Blue Book Project

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He seems to be the ideal candidate for the job from where I'm standing.

If the job is to identify UFO's - Kirkpatrick's clearances, existing knowledge of aerospace application and predilection towards scientific method is exactly what's needed.

Of course his prior links mean he might be a stooge but at least he is credible as an Aerospace project program manager.

Highlights why having an anti terrorism co-intel specialist in charge of anything similarily officially ( as per Lue's story) would be so ridiculous.

We’ve run out of glass…


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Do you consider that the US military simply doesn't know what these things are? But also doesn't want anyone to know the abilities of their sensors and other systems. So it always looks as if there are some dark secrets being kept from the public.

Otherwise, we have to explain the anatomy of a massive 75-year cover up that involves thousands of folk across the globe and yet no one has ever retrieved any irrefutable proof and gone public with it.

a reply to: mirageman

But there is something strange ...
Last month Kirkpatrick co-wrote a sci-fi report with Loeb

In principle, a multitude of tiny devices can be released from a mothership that passes near Earth.

source: lweb.cfa.harvard.edu...

A report that made ufologists very happy, I read a lot of speculations.
And now he's showing us footage of a probe mentioned in that report.
Coincidence?
Maybe Kirkpatrick has his hypothesis but, of course, he's not speculating in front of the Senate.

History repeats itself: Hynek and Blue Book Project

Do you consider that the US military simply doesn't know what these things are? But also doesn't want anyone to know the abilities of their sensors and other systems. So it always looks as if there are some dark secrets being kept from the public.

However those objects are detected and it is not known what they are

Otherwise, we have to explain the anatomy of a massive 75-year cover up that involves thousands of folk across the globe and yet no one has ever retrieved any irrefutable proof and gone public with it.

As Levenda says, the situation is much more complicated and, in my opinion, leaves no traces.

I know this is the wrong thread for this, so please don't ban me, if you could just send a DM and remove this post;
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So good to see this thread is still alive.

I'm sure I wasn't the only person who noticed that Tom's band Blink182 was in the headlines this week- Blink 182 swooped in and 'saved the day' as headliner replacements at the Coachella music festival, after the untimely cancellation by Frank Ocean. Interesting how it occurred as headline news at the same time-frame as the recent headline-grabbing April 19 report. Many photos regarding the Coachella story featured Tom wearing his To The Stars T-shirt.

Levenda laid out clearly in his Sinister Forces trilogy how celebrities serve as a sort of priest-craft class in today's society- attention is power in many ways and they have all the attention trained on them. A few years ago I felt like Tom was/is "too minor" of a celebrity to make an impact culturally with his efforts regarding the phenomenon. But look how this is evolving- Tom's longtime friend and Bandmate/drummer, just so happens to be romantically linked to a Kardashian- makes me wonder if the bandwidth is being adjusted for louder broadcasting here.

Old Zondo must be preparing for his book promo tour.

With a Pop Mechanics puff piece that still gets basic things wrong.

Lue Elizondo Ran the Pentagon’s UFO Unit—and Says the Government Is Withholding What It Knows

a reply to: mirageman

It is true though……we are further along than the days of BB….at least in my lifetime…imo. I give Lou props for that….despite the years I’ve given him a hard time on ATS.

Although the government official reports are slow in coming and slanted to the military side of the phenomenon….it’s better than nothing to keep the interest active.

I didn’t pay much attention to BB back in the day…I was living life being young and foolish.

Now I’m old and foolish 😆

Btw…what’s the second half of the duo, Mellon, been doing lately? Does anyone know?

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It is true though……we are further along than the days of BB….at least in my lifetime…imo. I give Lou props for that….despite the years I’ve given him a hard time on ATS.

I'm not seeing it. I'd say nothing has changed since December 1969.

Project Blue Book's conclusion were (in sumarry)

● No UFO reported, investigated, and evaluated by the Air Force was ever an indication of threat to our national security

● There was no evidence submitted to or discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized as "unidentified" represented technological developments or principles beyond the range of modern scientific knowledge

● There was no evidence indicating that sightings categorized as "unidentified" were extraterrestrial vehicles

What has Lue done to take the subject further along the road?

a reply to: mirageman

I would say…….the whole Whistleblower song, dance, and vids with Mellon….gave it some prominence to restart the new Blue Book aka (eventually) AARO. More people both general public, and it would appear, more agencies are involved whether they want to or not….it’s sort of cross agency mandated thing. Did we have that with BAASS, TTS?

Where would we be if there was no mention of ATTIP existing at all?

Did you know of ATTIP existing after NIDS and BAASS but before TTS? I didn’t.

ATTIP was something new for the general public to learn about.

ATTIP (with the reveal of Lou and company) begat UAPTF, which begat AARO imo.

What view do you have…..for you to state “still gets basic things wrong”?

If we had no Lou and Mellon……..in your opinion….where would we be?

Imo…I think we’re past the transparency or lack of transparency from the Blue Book day’s.

I gotta think we’re past this point…..because of Lou’s and Mellon’s mainstreaming the UAP problem (as they see it)



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OK I think I get your point. Are you basically coming from a view that once Blue Book was shut down things regressed for another 50 years? There was no official means of reporting sightings and the military remained silent on the subject?

What view do you have…..for you to state “still gets basic things wrong”?

I'll give a couple of examples. The article mentions

....When the intelligence official [Zondo] returned to the U.S., he began working in an advisory capacity on AATIP. Run by the Department of Defense’s Defense Intelligence Agency, the program was created in 2007 at the behest of then Senate majority leader Harry Reid...

This has long been established that AATIP was an unfunded, privately conducted, side project by Elizondo. It was never officially ran by the DIA. Nor was it in existence in 2007.

Then there's this;

...As Elizondo and Mellon began sharing connections and intelligence, they became increasingly alarmed. Over the past 76 years, the military has documented UAPs encounters with alarming frequency around U.S. nuclear assets. In one notorious instance in 1967, a UFO seemed to shut down nuclear-armed missiles at the Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana.

The story is something that seems to be the individual memory of Bob Salas. A full Air Force investigation was made after missiles did indeed go offline for around a minute.

The explanation was that a local power company transformer blew. Causing a power spike at the Malmstrom launch facilities. The missiles then all 'rebooted' automatically, as designed to . Despite Bob Salas claims of UFOs above the base [he was not a witness himself as he was underground], the report says;

...Rumors of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFO) around the area of Echo Flight during the time of fault were disproven. A Mobile Strike Team, which had checked all November Flight's LFs on the morning of 16 March 67, were questioned and stated that no unusual activity or sightings were observed.'

p14 of linked PDF

So the case has already been investigated and documented in 1967. So I am not sure how 50 year old testimony from someone whose memories appear somewhat confused would persuade the US Military that it was aliens kncoking out their nukes.

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If we had no Lou and Mellon……..in your opinion….where would we be?

Chinese agents would still be launching drones and party balloons over US military hardware, installations and vital infrastructure.

But there would be a lot less 'noise' in the field. Some hear the noise and assume it's a good thing. That it makes everyone more sympathetic and wanting 'the truth'. But because of the grifters and lunatic fringe that tend to create a lot of this noise we get lost in it and it drives most sensible scientists and academics away.

If some smoking gun evidence is brought to the table. That would be a game changer. But I don't see that Chris, Lue or any other of their associates really have such evidence. So they will fall back on the 'conspiracy of silence' as their get out card.

originally posted by: ray32245mv01
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You know this is the wrong thread to post that. Here's the right thread, but instead of posting I think you need to send a private message to Djarums as described by people in this thread he has helped:

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Djarums will sort you out mate

originally posted by: mirageman
I'm not seeing it. I'd say nothing has changed since December 1969.

Project Blue Book's conclusion were (in sumarry)

"● No UFO reported, investigated, and evaluated by the Air Force was ever an indication of threat to our national security"
...

One thing that has changed is there was a "no threat" narrative before, but now there's a "threat" narrative. Mellon has identified one such threat, it's a silver mylar balloon in the shape of a number one that can defy the laws of physics:


More recently, the US used two missiles costing nearly half a million dollars each to shoot down a pico balloon that cost less than $12. So that pico balloon "threat" was eliminated but someone is getting rich selling the US nearly a million dollars worth of missiles to eliminate the threat.

Did the Pentagon Shoot Down a Harmless Ham Radio Balloon?

on February 11, 2023, K9YO-15 was on its seventh circumnavigation of the globe, its hobbyist operators say, when they lost contact with the pico balloon near Alaska’s border with the Yukon. This was the same day that a U.S. F-22 fighter jet shot down a UFO using a nearly half-million-dollar Sidewinder missile in the same general vicinity. K9YO-15 has not been heard from since.

The first missile missed, they had to fire a second one. I guess it wasn't a threat on its first six circumnavigations of the globe, but on the seventh, it was and had to be shot down.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

OK I think I get your point.

Are you basically coming from a view that once Blue Book was shut down things regressed for another 50 years?

There was no official means of reporting sightings and the military remained silent on the subject?

Officially….yes (for the general public consumption) the Condon Report….(nothing to see here) ..imo ….started the regression. Unofficially (non general public awareness) ….pet projects by assorted individuals for UFO study continued in some capacity. But due to efforts of Lou and Mellon….as well as living in a multimedia, social media age…(Long gone are vacuum tubes and landlines (for some))….. there is now a re-awakening, a revival, if you will of this UFO Phenomenon for all the world to see….(well…what the government(s) let’s us see)….that’s progress forward…imo.

As for reporting official means. ….it depends on the type of “official” reporting. Project Blue Book utilized AF Form 112 for its Internal official reporting….(there may have been other internal forms for reporting…I vaguely remember at least one other reporting form.

Source Story: 1956 Maui UFO Sighting Report Included in Air Force Files

The AF Form 112 below may not be the entire form…


Civilian orgs had their own internal reporting forms and procedures.

So where are we today…..is a creation, updating, revamping, etc. of a an internal official (classified) reporting system that is not suppose to stigmatize, yet gather what’s deemed as pertinent data to an event.

Is…it (classified reporting) purvey to civilians?…..of course not. But it’s progress forward nevertheless…it’s BB 2.0 so to speak. The general public, at least now, has an unclassified window into the government release of UFO UAP information. Imo….Lou and Mellon were the catalyst that got the ball rolling….

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