Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

originally posted by: mirageman
On the face of it, this appears that the Pentagon is actually embarrassed by the leaks of three videos. Especially as their intelligence services somehow failed to identify who leaked the FLIR video when ufologists did it easily. I mean how stupid must the US intelligence services be?

They are not stupid, it happens when you have too much to hide
Ufology is based on this ... they are called leak of news

I don't honestly think America has this tiny group of unelected secret keepers (yet somehow with massive outreach) to conceal the existence of extraterrestrials or whatever it is they are supposedly concealing.

You can believe in what you prefer ...
I believe that if you had a contradiction with Elizondo 99% of your accusations would collapse.
I don't trust Elizondo but it's too easy to accuse without contradictions

a reply to: gippo888

Isn't this where ufology relies on the belief, based almost entirely on a supposition, that what you think is the truth is something the American government is withholding?


So as a thought experiment, where would you place the state of the anatomy of the cover-up?

In other words, how many cases do you think have been concealed by the all powerful, unelected secret keepers?


10 - ET visits almost every day and even exists alongside us here on Earth.
9 - Up to 50,000 confirmed cases of ET visiting Earth since WWII
8 - Up to 10,000 confirmed cases of ET visiting Earth since WWII
7 - Up to 1000 confirmed cases of ET visiting Earth since WWII
6 - Up to 500 confirmed cases of ET visiting Earth since WWII.
5 - Up to 100 confirmed cases of ET visiting Earth since WWII
4 - Around 50 confirmed cases of ET visiting Earth since WWII.
3 - Up to a 20 UFO cases have been confirmed as ET craft since WWII.
2 - Only 3 or 4 UFO cases have been recognized as ET craft since WWII.
1 - A single UFO case has been confirmed as ET since WWII.
0 - UFOs are all misperception, misidentifications and hoaxes or represent an as yet unknown natural phenomenon.



Bearing in mind that the more cases there are, then the more resources you require to keep everything under wraps and to act rapidly to remove evidence.

Then we can move onto how such cover-up has been maintained so perfectly.

a reply to: mirageman

You should do a thread with that 0-10, ask people to post a single number or maybe between 2 numbers, and why they think that..

I imagine people would find it interesting reading the posts of fellow members?

Does anyone know if this film has been released (supposedly in 2022)? ….If so, where can it be found to view it?

From Tom DeLonge



Screenshots from the trailer teaser


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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

NOV 30 TH Comes out

Theatrical release - Not available on any OTT Platform right now."

Apparently not streaming on the internet.

Toms in the big leagues now

originally posted by: mirageman

How many hundreds of thousands of UFO cases have emerged from the opening of the archives of the various states in the last 20 years?
Archives that did not exist have been hidden for 50 years
We knew these archives existed because the intelligence personnel talked, the "unelected secret keepers" always talked ... you decided not to listen to them.
The witnesses of the disclosure project, Dean, Corso ... in your opinion they are all scammers. This is your choice !!!
The whole UFO story says, screams, there is so much more !!!!
Show me the Rendlesham Documents !!

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Thanks!

Well either tomorrow Friday or Monday on Halloween….we should be getting the latest Unclassified version of the Gov report on UAP’s. That fact that the Gov already admitted, to this generation, that UAP’s exist ….in the previous report………I guess all that’s left to confirm is the existence of EBE’s……..

If not, then here we go again with kicking the Aliens can further down the road.

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a reply to: gippo888

How many hundreds of thousands of UFO cases have emerged from the opening of the archives of the various states in the last 20 years?

Give us all a figure.

A large number of UFO cases were already known long before various government files were declassified.

To my knowledge, although some reports remain as 'unknowns' none have revealed an ET presence.

We knew these archives existed because the intelligence personnel talked, the "unelected secret keepers" always talked ... you decided not to listen to them.

There were plenty of UFO studies. See : en.wikipedia.org...
Some are interesting. We knew Project Blue Book existed because it was public at the time. We knew Condign existed a few years after it was presented to the UK MoD. Thanks to the work of a journalist/lecturer raising FOI requests, not a 'secret keeper'.

So what secret records are you specifically talking about?

Corso's story is full of holes (although I put some of the blame on Bill Birnes for that). Bob Dean 'controversial' is probably the politest thing I can say. And if they were really telling the truth, then what has Zondo got to fear?

These guys never had to pick up the soap in the prison, why does he think he will have to?

The whole UFO story says, screams, there is so much more !!!!

Someone always knows more a lot more.If they really don't, then there can never be any disclosure from government.

Although it is logical to think military authorities hold data that has not been released to the public, it doesn't mean they have proof of extra-terrestrials.

Show me the Rendlesham Documents !!

What do you want? I've got a fair collection.The Halt Memo, witness statements? Or Mod memos?

The one damming problem with Rendlesham is that despite all the supposed activity going on in the skies above the twin bases is that no one called an alert of any sort, The Royal Air Force was not asked to scramble any aircraft and the UK authorities were not even informed until three weeks after the events. But Rendlesham is a whole different topic, and I've done that one to death.

Now....I'll go back to my original question.

How many cases do you think are genuine ET events that have been covered up?

And which do you think are the best examples?

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: mirageman

You should do a thread with that 0-10, ask people to post a single number or maybe between 2 numbers, and why they think that..

I imagine people would find it interesting reading the posts of fellow members?

I might do that. But not for a while.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

As we know, technically, they always admitted they were UAPs or UFOs. Unidentified is the key. It just means they don’t know what it is.

They are being literal without any real disclosure since they always said there was U(UNIDENTIFIED) FOs… This literal admittance now is really no big thing, IMO.

Significantly, there is a big difference between the physical, usually silvery color or type UFOs versus the weird fast-moving lights in the sky, versus the green, sometimes red fireballs or blue or whatever…And, of course, the triangle ones.
That is rarely distinguished in the UFO conversation.

a reply to: gippo888

I don’t want to get into a debate about this one now, but, Gippo, Corso’s story, when closely investigated, or even not closely, doesn't add up.
Though I am less skeptical about UFOs than many observers, I try to look at the evidence, and in Corso’s case, when one does, it falls apart…

Another point, as far as I know, there has never been true scholarship on the UFO experience...

Actually, the most learned, Imo in an odd way, was John Keel. He tried to make sense of the facts or draw some reasonable conclusions from the data. But got lost..and eventually, overwhelmed by the spook factor.

In looking at the UFO experience, one has to look not only at the UFOs but the ufologists and government methodology in their UFO projects. One might then ask why haven’t they applied AI to the subject, or maybe they have.

And to lighten up for Halloween....

Someone is selling these on social media.




Looks a bit fake to me. I'd have expected few socks included!!

a reply to: mirageman

What if on Halloween, Zondo revealed to the world he was really wearing a mask all these years (that’s why the DoD said he wasn’t in charge of anything) and, lo and behold, at the 53rd Mufon conference, took off his mask and there was none other than Richard Doty!

originally posted by: mirageman

What do you want? I've got a fair collection.The Halt Memo, witness statements? Or Mod memos?

I want the documents disappeared last year ...

How many cases do you think are genuine ET events that have been covered up?
Now....I'll go back to my original question.
How many cases do you think are genuine ET events that have been covered up?
And which do you think are the best examples?

Sorry, I will not play with you ... no time
I have already made my battles and I have no intention of facing others, especially in English
I didn't even want to write in this forum, I just wanted to have more info ...

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
I don’t want to get into a debate about this one now, but, Gippo, Corso’s story, when closely investigated, or even not closely, doesn't add up.
Though I am less skeptical about UFOs than many observers, I try to look at the evidence, and in Corso’s case, when one does, it falls apart…

Perhaps Corso's colleagues had to answer to Corso's accusations ... not mirageman
I have never heard a Corso colleague deny his claims
Corso certainly said a truth: the government avoided answering the questions because the deniers fought for them and the ufologists had to fight other battles.
It is not mirageman that he has to answer to Elizondo's accusations !!!!
Elizondo accuses the Pentagon, why does mirageman have to answer ???

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a reply to: gippo888

Sorry, I will not play with you ... no time I have already made my battles and I have no intention of facing others, especially in English I didn't even want to write in this forum, I just wanted to have more info ...

OK.

But my point is that if you think critically and deal with specifics, instead of keeping things superficial and nebulous, then you have to conclude that genuine ET events have to be incredibly rare.

Any mass cover up employing agents who confiscate evidence and military UFO clean up teams on standby all over the globe risks not only the exposure of this cover-up with the leak of hard proof. But also, the resources required for a clandestine operation hidden from oversight would be impossible to maintain.

When America was attacked by a bunch of crazy Saudis on Sept 11th 2001, the US military was unable to respond in time to stop two airliners hitting the World Trade Center and even sent three fighters out to the East in error. Yet we are expected to believe that every time an alien spacecraft enters the Earth's atmosphere, Uncle Sam is prepared and has always been able to cover up any traces. Not just from America, but the whole world too!

originally posted by: mirageman

OK.
But my point is that if you think critically and deal with specifics, instead of keeping things superficial and nebulous, then you have to conclude that genuine ET events have to be incredibly rare.

Rare does not mean nonexistent ... the phenomenon is elusive, nebulous, no one knows the true extent of this problem.

Any mass cover up employing agents who confiscate evidence and military UFO clean up teams on standby all over the globe risks not only the exposure of this cover-up with the leak of hard proof. But also, the resources required for a clandestine operation hidden from oversight would be impossible to maintain.

Government employees speak of cover-ups, of hidden documents ... as time passed the documents emerged
There are dozens of people, we should reflect ...
If they are all cheaters it means that the government hires too many untrustworthy people

When America was attacked by a bunch of crazy Saudis on Sept 11th 2001, the US military was unable to respond in time to stop two airliners hitting the World Trade Center and even sent three fighters out to the East in error.

Certainly, the armed forces are overrated, it is part of the game of force even the Russian army seemed invincible
International politics, Hollywood ... create false myths
if the phenomenon decided to manifest itself it would be impossible to hide it
But we are not in this situation, the phenomenon is hiding ... it shows itself only in isolated areas and demonstrates its amazing abilities.

Yet we are expected to believe that every time an alien spacecraft enters the Earth's atmosphere, Uncle Sam is prepared and has always been able to cover up any traces. Not just from America, but the whole world too!

This is Hollywood ...
I think they have no control, they try to hide
They can hide because the phenomenon is not manifest openly
Gregory Cason admitted there are other videos, therefore there is material that we have never seen

"The release of this information will harm national security as it may provide adversaries valuable information regarding Department of Defense/Navy operations, vulnerabilities, and/or capabilities," Gregory Cason, deputy director of the Navy's FOIA office, wrote in the denial. "No portions of the videos can be segregated for release."