Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

simply ourselves in the future.

I’ll be happy to be long dead, then to look like an unattractive species in our future.


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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

So would I looking at that Ophi! LoL.


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a reply to: Baablacksheep

Thanks BB ….the vid is very enlightening. All that was said is certainly a possibility….imo.

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a reply to: gippo888

I think they have control over us and make fun of us ...
I think in the 70s and 80s they made the US government believe that there was an alien invasion but it was a fiction.
Phil Corso was convinced of this ... perahps also Reagan in 1987
Grotesque sightings, crop circles, ridiculous abductions and contactisms ... they make fun of us. For this reason the government does not know how to tell the truth, there is no control ... the phenomenon is in control.
The phenomenon keeps changing actions like a scientist would do in a laboratory ... with his guinea pigs.
No need for new evidence, new sightings, new witnesses ...
I think this is the time for conclusions, confirmations and truths
Who knows must speak, only this !!!

Maybe, but again how can we know that for sure when a lot of that you speak of was concocted by the government in the 70s and 80s, so it's they who created the environment, not the phenomenon.

What I always point out is that we don’t send the leaders of our civilization on missions in space or to the moon, just some highly trained, usually military low-level people. So why would we assume these UFO/aliens would do anything different, like send the leaders of their civilization on these ufos? And not some programmed version of a military-trained being who has no authority to do or say anything to us.

And some of the nonhuman types alien reports are likely robotic creators of some sort, not any representative of any alien civilization whose leaders are probably chilling out somewhere in space watching us remotely and likely laughing at the human folly they witness or maybe crying.

We just don't know for sure. How could we?

originally posted by: peaceinoutz

Maybe, but again how can we know that for sure when a lot of that you speak of was concocted by the government in the 70s and 80s, so it's they who created the environment, not the phenomenon.

I don't think they invented it, they were convinced but they realized it was all fake, a theatrical scene. The phenomenon keeps changing and lies all the time.

What I always point out is that we don’t send the leaders of our civilization on missions in space or to the moon, just some highly trained, usually military low-level people. So why would we assume these UFO/aliens would do anything different, like send the leaders of their civilization on these ufos? And not some programmed version of a military-trained being who has no authority to do or say anything to us.

I think is not a civilization that comes from afar ... it is something that was here before us
A civilization would have contradictions and in 70 years we would have understood something

And some of the nonhuman types alien reports are likely robotic creators of some sort, not any representative of any alien civilization whose leaders are probably chilling out somewhere in space watching us remotely and likely laughing at the human folly they witness or maybe crying.

I think this is the situation, a farm managed by robots that never have contradictions
The phenomenon don't cry for us, breeding is fine, we are almost 8 billion

We just don't know for sure. How could we?

I am convinced that someone behind the Pentagon knows a lot more, in 70 years they have collected, seen and formulated hypotheses
There is no social pressure ... this thing interests very few people.
I think the Pentagon will wait for the right moment to cover it up
In Italy, in Europe nobody cares ...
UFO articles are just gossip and are very rare
Ufology is waiting for the words of the Pentagon but time passes and people are not interested
We are alone in this forum, in this latest discussion ... as Mohicans

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

All that was said is certainly a possibility….imo.

Indeed Ophi.

a reply to: gippo888

...I don't think they invented it, they were convinced but they realized it was all fake, a theatrical scene. The phenomenon keeps changing and lies all the time.

What we actually know, publicly, is that UFO sightings either lack sufficient data for us to have positive identification. Or they are hoaxes, misidentifications and misinterpretation of natural and man made activity.

So what is 'the phenomenon'?

It could in fact be nothing more than the product of illusion, delusion and confusion. Which we have evidence of. The evidence for something 'supernatural' or alien is scant at best. The best UFO cases all lack conclusive proof.

I am convinced that someone behind the Pentagon knows a lot more, in 70 years they have collected, seen and formulated hypotheses

Does someone know more than the public? Yes, there is more data held by various agencies. However, if UFO lore is to be believed and aliens are visiting Earth frequently, they would be tracked and seen by people all over the world. The anatomy of such a massive cover-up to silence everyone and remove the proof would be impossible. So maybe they don't know much more at all. Or such events are actually a lot rarer than the lore portrays.

In Italy, in Europe nobody cares ...

European ufology tends to be more scientific than American ufology. Whilst there has been a lot of great work in the US unfortunately it's also ruined by the grifters, charlatans and people who are borderline insane and the large entertainment industry that revolves around it. That's why the two Nicks, Redfern and Pope ended up there.

a reply to: mirageman

And Vallee, let's not forget Vallee, who also ended up there. The American Way of Believing.

a reply to: Direne

Mais, Oui! The man who spent 50+ years studying UFOs and has no idea what they are. So he made up a bunch of unfalsifiable theories in case he dies with the curse of Phil Klass engraved on his tombstone. They are persuasive to people precisely because they are not provable.

And this two minute video, by an American, sums up a lot about how people lost touch with reality there.



Not that it's a purely American affliction either.

a reply to: mirageman

That's why the two Nicks, Redfern and Pope ended up there.

Book early MM there are tickets for two for the price of one if you book early for the pending UFO cruise with the two Nicks, tagging along is Peter Robbins too.

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originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: mirageman

That's why the two Nicks, Redfern and Pope ended up there.

Book early MM there are tickets for two for the price of one if you book early for the pending UFO cruise with the two Nicks, tagging along is Peter Robbins too.

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Is it that time of year again???


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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Direne

Mais, Oui! The man who spent 50+ years studying UFOs and has no idea what they are. So he made up a bunch of unfalsifiable theories in case he dies with the curse of Phil Klass engraved on his tombstone. They are persuasive to people precisely because they are not provable.

……”All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,….”
Shakespeare

List of UFOLOGIST’s



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a reply to: mirageman

It could in fact be nothing more than the product of illusion, delusion and confusion. Which we have evidence of. The evidence for something 'supernatural' or alien is scant at best. The best UFO cases all lack conclusive proof.

A lot of the cases, sure, but all of them are a stretch.

You only need one case to be real let alone what the Bluebook maybe 5 to 15 percent unexplained

One has to look at the broad picture considering its still flawed human beings as witnesses.

But the whole picture says that there is a legitimate paranormal mystery on our hands.
One can't look at the hoaxers and ridiculous theories and lump them with the legitimate and reasonable paranormal facts of the phenomenon and make a conclusive judgment, it's just too many believable witnesses over the vast amount of cases over all the Hynek parameters.

The "facts" are usually highly paranormal; that's the reason there can be no conclusions.
But I doubt what we know or what we don't know justifies your above statement, in my opinion.

That is why I’ve always thought the phenomenon was always a mirror of religion.

The same ramifications that litter religious experience are mirrored in ufology, and I don’t just mean the ufo religions or cults. The way people go off into hoaxes, debunkers, supporters, different theories, crazy and sober, sects, believers, and disbelievers is so similar because it's about the unknown or the unseen.

Sure it all can be anything, but I doubt it is all bunk or all true(extreme ufo theory of ETs)-- but like most things, the reality of it lies somewhere in between.

I don't know, but I believe the evidence proves( not all the evidence, of course) something weird is going on.
That is where I agree with Vallee...www.wired.com...

a reply to: peaceinoutz

I think you missed my point.

....The evidence for something 'supernatural' or alien is scant at best. The best UFO cases all lack conclusive proof.


A lot of the cases, sure, but all of them are a stretch. ...

Currently, there is no evidence for aliens or the 'supernatural' (such as ghosts, or long lost technologically advanced civilizations from here on Earth). They all lack conclusive proof..

...You only need one case to be real let alone what the Bluebook maybe 5 to 15 percent unexplained

Yes, but my point is that we have no proof. The cases we have solved do not point to anything paranormal.

Whatever you or I think is the best UFO cases for something 'alien' or supernatural the eivdence is lacking because we just don't have corroborating data. The best cases are 'unsolved'.

Oumuamua entered the solar system in 2017. It was postulated that it might be 'alien technology' by Avi Loeb and a few others. However, the evidence was not conclusive and most astronomers considered it to be of natural origin.

That doesn't mean something weird isn't going on. But so far we haven't found the conclusive proof.

a reply to: mirageman

I’m with you on not having conclusive proof…..and for me, more to the point, hard physical proof.

Witnesses are a dime a dozen, pictures are a dime a dozen, videos are a dime a dozen, ufologists speculation, theories, and hypothesis are a dime a dozen.

I look at the “List of Ufologists” I previously posted……. and shake my head.

Not one, not one of these “Ufologists” have ever offered to the world ….. any shred of solid hard physical proof….whether UFO wreckage pieces or any type of Alien remains.

UFOlogy is the Biggest Show on Earth.

All those listed should be ashamed…….

I’m going to say that if any of you UFOlogists ….have any real hard physical proof, that they are not willing to show the world……then you are Cowards!

“Ufologists” need to ….Put up or Shut Up!

Imo…

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Yep George Knapp was gonna dig up that Element 115 wasn't he? But not until Bob Lazar is dead.



This is the George Knapp that left California because "some bartenders" told him he'd be good on TV in 1979. So he moved to Vegas on their recommendation. Guess what? He ended up on TV and has had the same job ofr 42 years.

Yet people blame the government for a cover-up. Not the genial local American news man for not going and digging up the secret element that powers alien spacecraft.

Sad how easily people are manipulated.

a reply to: mirageman

How arrogant to make the assumption that he will outlive a younger Lazar.

We will never see Element 115 if George croaks before Lazar…….what a bunch of BS.

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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: gippo888

Or such events are actually a lot rarer than the lore portrays.

I naturally assume that 'genuine' ET events would indeed be incredibly rare - if they occur at all - which makes our task of sifting wheat from chaff all the more difficult.

My favourite cases ooze potential but, as you say, they all lack conclusive proof, ultimately leaving us with fascinating stories to stir our imagination. For example, my better half's black triangle encounter has convinced her that we are being 'visited', although I can only regard it as an intriguing mystery - made all the more palpable because of our relationship, but not conclusive from my POV.

As for ghosts etc, I've had bizarre experiences I cannot explain but, equally, I cannot jump to supernatural conclusions either.

Yet, as I said, they do provide GREAT stories, and that's the enduring entertainment value provided by this topic, rather than conclusive proof.

'Close but no cigar' seems an inevitable constant trait.

a reply to: mirageman

Remember this ……the Cloud Chamber experiment vid said to be using Element 115 to bend light?

I always thought it was just a hot cup of soup..



……”During that time, Mr Corbell claims to have stumbled across a video titled “cloud chamber”.

The minute-long clip, which was shown during the documentary, shows a white light being mysteriously bent.

Describing the video, Mr Knapp said: “The beam of light was bent, and it was bent because they had Element 115 present.”…….

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