Breaking BAASS, Assessing AATIP and Doubting Thomas ‘DeLonge’

Thanks for the links...
Some debunkers say they are balloons, and certainly, the “data” is variable, but I think the best triangle data is from the Hudson Vallee flaps.

However, the problem with ufo data is its inconsistency--therefore--it is not yet possible to apply the scientific method to it.

The ramifications of that are interesting.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz

However, the problem with ufo data is its inconsistency--therefore--it is not yet possible to apply the scientific method to it.

So some well funded (literal) CoIntelPro goons come along and deem the last 70 years null and void.

..but there were loads of separately located patterns in data back then (WTF?)

Good example being clocks that stop.

Also water collection lol.

a reply to: karl 12

I never thought much about clocks regarding UFOs, but I can understand that weird stuff happening.

Among other anomalous phenomena related to UFOs, it makes my point that it’s too irregular and confusing a phenomenon at this point to be subject to scientific inquiry.

I think that what’s behind the phenomenon may be responsible for that, or maybe it's just the nature of the phenomenon.

By the way, are you suggesting that some Cointelpro mischief was responsible for some of the freaky and confusing data?

originally posted by: karl 12
Am not as active in research as I used to be but looks like more and more folks are noticing the parallels across the data (once they leave their egos at the door).

I totally agree ...
I think we have a lot of material, research, case studies ... we just have to interpret its correctly
The problem is the dogmatic religious, philosophical, ethical beliefs ... which, yes, we can summarize in the ego

The interview with Nick Cook is interesting, I would say that we speak the same language
However, we have a substantial difference: in the 'consciousness interface' I do not see love, light, benevolence, God ... but an instrument of control.

Don't know if you agree with Nick Redfern's comments below about flying black triangles not being 'secret aircraft' but there does appear to be quite a lot of FBT sightings which go way back before the 80s/90s and there's also relevant info about National Archives research and British MOD documents declassified under the 'thirty years ruling'.

I agree with your research on flying triangles, I add that it also applies to crop circles
oldcropcircles.weebly.com...

a reply to: karl 12

clocks that stop

That clocks stop does not mean time flow stops. Mechanical clocks stops under a strong magnetic field.

The same applies to pacemakers and any mechanical object with metal parts. If your clocks were made of wood, or if they were hourglasses, they would still work without any problem. So, clocks stopping only means you are being exposed to a strong magnetic field. Most likely inside an MRI machine in a hospital, or too close to an electrical substation.

No aliens involved. At all.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Jukiodone

That's interesting. Very interesting. Even if some of the science is a bit over my head.

Anyone saying they fully understand has a condensed matter physics PhD - or is lying.
...but it seems certain people with IC connections have a certain interest in Cold Fusion/LENR - specifically anyone who is tinkering with energy/mass densities.

Could be a co-incidence... but the current re-imagining of UFOs/Aliens seemed to start around the same time LM started making noises about the monetisation of their working LENR...around 9 years ago - shortly before it disappeared- never to be heard of again.

...which would have also been around the same time the Navy decided it was going to publicly patent a UFO that incorporates fusion/LENR as core components of its operation.

..shortly before LM's Steve Justice starting murmuring about sub critical waveguides and matter waves in relation to his metamaterial spaceship whilst at TTSA....

...and a couple of years before TTSA found the CRADA worthy materials which can demonstrate "inertial mass reduction"

originally posted by: gippo888
I agree with your research on flying triangles, I add that it also applies to crop circles
oldcropcircles.weebly.com...

Crop circles can be man-made or natural. The natural crop circles are simple, apparently made by some kind of atmospheric vortex which can make any shape we might expect from a vortex, like a circle, or a "donut", ot the circle could be elongated if the funnel stayed in contact with the ground as it moved. It doesn't need to be a full-fledged tornado, there are less powerful vortices called "dust devils" or similar.



The very fancy "circles" which often are not really shaped like "circles" are not natural, they are man-made, and I don't see any of those in your link. This crop circle is more or less circular but a bit too fancy to have been made by a dust devil:



a reply to: Direne
A magnetic field could do it, though I've seen mechanical clocks and watches stop and start again all by themselves without any aliens or notable magnetic fields around. In one old car hitting a bump could make the mecanical clock stop and hitting another bump could make it start again.

a reply to: Direne

What exactly are you suggesting, that people who have had clocks and watches stopped (during an encounter) accidentally forgot they had an MRI scan at the hospital the day before (and they were still wearing their metal watch whilst in it) ?

As for the electrical substation I regularly stand in close proximity to HV transformers and switchgear and can tell you the magnetic fields produced are insignificant.

How does a magnetic field stop a mechanical clock ?

Tick tock tosh

originally posted by: Direne

That clocks stop does not mean time flow stops. Mechanical clocks stops under a strong magnetic field.

Of course not, did you check the posted thread? Don't just post what you think the subject means.. actually study the data.

Quite a number of cases where EM effects don't appear to be the whole answer.

Forget the knee jerk emotional response - actually look at what's being reported lol.

"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?"

Albert Einstein

originally posted by: Direne

No aliens involved. At all.

I don't know what's going on but there's nothing like 'true believer' status.

U.S. Congressman Tim Burchett talks with Lou EliBonzo…..June 2022

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Click tiny play button next to S01 E11….

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Very interesting article that proposes an answer to the double position (NYT vs Daily Mail) on the next report

Citing government officials, the Times pointedly downplayed recent military UAP incidents as foreign drones, balloons or “airborne trash.”
A Daily Mail article, in contrast, struck a remarkably different tone. Among several eyebrow-raising quotes, one source sharply criticized their Office of the Director of National Intelligence colleagues, stating, “They don’t want to talk about [UAP], because they really, really don’t know what the hell they are.” The Daily Mail’s sources disclosed several key details about the report prior to its release, including that the U.S. government cannot explain “more than 150” UFO encounters reported over the past year.

In short, competing factions appear to be vying for control of the UAP narrative. If this is indeed the case, history is repeating itself.

Source: thehill.com...

a reply to: gippo888

So we're at the same point we were decades ago regarding ufos: believers, disbelievers, agnostics, or the apathetic: almost a replica of religion. They have the same thought patterns, just different names.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: gippo888

So we're at the same point we were decades ago regarding ufos: believers, disbelievers, agnostics, or the apathetic: almost a replica of religion. They have the same thought patterns, just different names.

The situation cannot change because there is no will (or possibility) to change it, so everyone interprets the indiscretions (clues) as they see fit.
Personally I have received many confirmations in recent years but I am not happy ... I follow ufology because I hope I'm wrong, my hypothesis is terrible, I would prefer love, light and happiness for everyone
I often think of Bush's words ("Americans can't handle the truth!") and fear he was right ... but I'm not American

Even the research on consciousness has not made progress, the considerations of the ancient philosophers of metaphysics are always current, 2500 years of research without results ... this is very strange !!!

a reply to: gippo888

Well, metaphysics---the source of our religions—has always been like ufology, not understood by the masses, only the faithful with their various kinds of beliefs about God or now UFOs.

Of course, ufology has yet begun to be as lethal as religions have been over the centuries, even up until today, with its divisive sectarianism. Though ufology has bred some dangerous and often lethal cults but still not yet a field of sectarian wars—thank goodness.

The situation cannot change because there is no will (or possibility) to change it, so everyone interprets the indiscretions (clues) as they see fit.

I differ somewhat from that. The will may be there, but humans don't have the capacity to know.

a reply to: chunder

How does a magnetic field stop a mechanical clock ?

By magnetizing the mechanical mechanisms inside (gearwheels, shafts, springs, etc.). Clearly, you've never gone thru an MRI test. The first think nurses tell you is this: Please remove any metal objects, watches, chains, rings.

a reply to: karl 12

I think it is you, and not me, who needs to explain what does the sentence clocks stop mean. You were the one making such a statement, not me.

So let me take a seat. I'll listen to you carefully. Please proceed.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
I differ somewhat from that. The will may be there, but humans don't have the capacity to know.

I think and fear that the answers are much simpler than we think, we cannot see just because something prevents us
But I hope I'm wrong ...

Bigelow has seemingly bowed out and decided to see if he can contact his dead relatives instead.

The Young Guns have mainly run out of ammunition.

Zondo's contract must have expired, and he's gone to ground. Maybe writing tha book got a bit too hard for him?

It seems like Gary Nolan was leading head for the intel propaganda. But he gets a bit sensitive when people ask for the things like proof.

None of these guys ever deliver convincing enough evidence. It's always in the "trust me bro'", but no proof zone.

Even the latest UAP report has been delayed....

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: chunder

How does a magnetic field stop a mechanical clock ?

By magnetizing the mechanical mechanisms inside (gearwheels, shafts, springs, etc.). Clearly, you've never gone thru an MRI test. The first think nurses tell you is this: Please remove any metal objects, watches, chains, rings.

Actually, having worked for Siemens Magnet Technology (who manufacture MRI machines) I have gone through MRI training.

Metal objects are removed primarily to avoid them being attracted to the magnet. Fatalities have occurred where metal objects (gas bottles) have been attracted so violently they have injured the patient. They can also cause magnetic disturbances so that the imaging is affected. Pacemakers and similar can experience induced currents which are obviously very dangerous.

Wearing a mechanical wristwatch it will try and rip it off your arm but it isn't necessarily going to stop it working. It may, especially if quartz as opposed to wind up, and it may run quicker or slower afterwards until demagnetised.

But we are talking about being inside or very near a 1T+ MRI machine. Where is a magnetic field of that strength coming from to produce these effects in the cases listed ?