Do black lives really matter?

@ Do black lives really matter?


a reply to: Somekindofwizard

Yes, they do. Maybe not to the ignorant in this lower dimension...

The ignorant only have less then 100 EA*RTH flesh years within a lifetime to find out why.

If they don't LEARN NOT TO HATE then they then can observe from the paranormal realms the long-term effects their ignorance had on those they loved and hated during their phases of life and death within existence...

The assumption that any white on black violence is racially motivated is itself racist. Could it be? Yes. Could it be a million other reasons too? Yes. There are many many factors that lead to violence. The narrative no longer allows for anything more than the knee jerk response, and a doubling down of that position.

Black on black violence displays that violence is in human nature and not just the result of racism. You cite political and societal issues as the reason.

It’s far more insightful when one assumes someone else’s motive about the person who makes the assumption than the person whom the assumption was made on.

BLM does not compare to what the great civil right leaders like Martin Luther king and MLK jr. there is no coming together, there is no greatness for all people. There are no dreams of a better future and hope for children. There is only more racism and hate, those are not the values of the leaders of earlier movements. It’s name is not black lives matter TOO, and in fact there is a strong rejection of that idea. Remember the scorn and hatred for alllivesmatter? No, it is more of the same sickness, encouraging a doubling down on ones position and to dehumanize others.







a reply to: strongfp

originally posted by: Somekindofwizard
Hear me out before you jump on here and call me a racist. I realize that everyone is up in arms over George Floyd's death recently, understandably so. The police involved have been fired and are under investigation by the FBI.

Here's the issue I see. There have been 147 days so far this year. In Chicago alone 131 black people have been murdered. Where's the media on that....... I'm waiting. I'll tell you what I think, it doesn't fit the agenda and since they weren't killed by a white man it's not as important. Therefore their lives don't matter as much. Am I wrong?

Someone please explain this to me in a rational way.

Black on black crime is different. It's like using "the bad word". It's their word so they can use it. Just like the "bad word for homosexuals". It's different when it's within the community.

It's also different when it's a cop. Cops should be held to a higher standard than gang banger in Chicago. You're tax dollars are paying for 4 cops to kill an unarmed black man, which will cost millions in investigations and riot control, and possibly compensation to the family (Not to mention that somebody ha died needlessly).

Those cops are costing you money that could be better spent elsewhere, so it's in your interest that they stop killing unarmed black men and start doing actual policing.

The job of police is to protect and serve not to kneel on someones neck until they're dead.

The guy was fully restrained. In this case the amount for force the cop used was unjustifiable.

Triggered. One racist cop kills a black man results in riots everywhere. One group of racist black youth kill a white girl we weep.

Do black lives really matter?

Only when a white cop is involved.

When it comes to the number one killer of AA's Abortion, and AA violence on AA violence it doesn't.

And people don't loot,burn,or otherwise make asse's out of themselves.

a reply to: strongfp

Ah, so you want to justify the fact that more black criminals kill more blacks than cops do, but at the same time you want to claim that because a few cops are aholes, or even racist it means all cops are racists and aholes, and that because of a few bad apples the entire system is racist?... You are being a hypocrite.

Why don't you try to understand the underlying cause as to why some people, whether they are black, white, hispanic, etc, have to be killed by the police?... You know, if a black person is a criminal and the police had to fight them and defend themselves it doesn't mean the cops are racists...

What these cops did was wrong, but it doesn't define all cops, or the system.

a reply to: Insalinity
Now that one made me sick to my stomach. I've watched a lot of messed up things in my life but that was one that truly disturbed me.

Listening to the contradicting orders being yelled at him while having a psycho looking cop with a carbine pointed at him had my stomach sinking. There was no way out for him to not be shot. Sure, I read many comments from cop defenders that made it out to be a walk in the park to comply, but to put yourself in his position, nope.

As far as it goes with Floyd, not sure what to think yet. There were several black cops with him. A black cop was one of the officers that pulled him out of the car. Floyd was looking a bit shaky and weird as he was put down on the sidewalk. If you can continuously say "I can't breathe" then guess what? You can breathe!

It could be that being kneeled on was a direct cause of his death. It could have been just one of many factors that lead to his death. We just don't know yet. We don't have complete footage of what was going on behind the car.

One thing I do know. This got blown up by the media very shortly after Joe Biden's comment about black people. This stinks to high heaven of a diversion. I'm even feeling a little sorry for Ahmaud Arbery. Everyone has forgotten about him and he didn't even get his own riot in his name!

Get ready for a constant stream of this kind of thing because covid-19 is burning out and won't be a thing for much longer. And November is still a couple of months away.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: strongfp

Ah, so you want to justify the fact that more black criminals kill more blacks than cops do, but at the same time you want to claim that because a few cops are aholes, or even racist it means all cops are racists and aholes, and that because of a few bad apples the entire system is racist?... You are being a hypocrite.

Why don't you try to understand the underlying cause as to why some people, whether they are black, white, hispanic, etc, have to be killed by the police?... You know, if a black person is a criminal and the police had to fight them and defend themselves it doesn't mean the cops are racists...

What these cops did was wrong, but it doesn't define all cops, or the system.

Its funny. Mention blacks get profiled and harrased more by the cops and youll get "we'll its ok to do that because black people commit crime."

When it comes to cops committing crime, especially if that cop happens to be white, then we need to start distinguishing individuals. Then we need to start reminding people that "not all bad apples blah blah blah".

Op: You propose you're asking a question to BLM, yet you ask on a corner of the internet where there are certainly little to no BLM members.


Right.

originally posted by: bigsnowman

originally posted by: schuyler
Sure. Here's the issue:

Had to do this in the other thread, shouldn't surprise me someone dedicated a whole new thread to this garbage argument. First of all, black lives matter isn't protesting white people killing black people, they are protesting white police officers killing innocent black people.

You know why the media isn't up in arms about black-on-black crime or black criminals killing white people? Because those are crimes & murders committed by criminals. A murder is always a tragedy but a murder being committed by a criminal is nothing new, that's been happening on a daily basis for centuries.

There is a huge difference between black criminals killing innocent people and white police officers killing innocent people.

I hate to be that guy.... but does that mean if the officer is black and he kills an innocent black person, that it's ok? What if the victim is white, or Asian, middleeastern, what then? I can keep going, but I'm sure you see what I'm trying to illustrate here.

The point I am making, for those who don't know, is that neither the colour of the officer nor the colour of the victim means squat if the victim is innocent.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I was pointing out that it all stems from racism. And black on black crime clearly indicates it's not racism that's the cause for those situations.

As for today's world, does racism play a role? Perhaps it does, but, as you have seemed to ignore, I am actively looking for why it is like it is, as in, why is black on black crime a big deal? I think you were jumping the gun a little.

a reply to: schuyler

You are ignoring that so you can express the typical liberal "Oh, it's just poverty and racism" argument

Honest question, what else do you think it could be? They're just choosing to commit more crimes just because?

I have lived in and around Chicago my entire life. I have heard all sides of these kinds of stories since the 60's. Over the years I noticed one thing over and over. It refers to profiling and I think it matters.

I used to hear people going on and on every day about how hard black people have it. There are no jobs in our neighborhood. We don't get hired as often as white people. We don't get paid as much as white people. We don't have the same opportunities as white people. We get fired before white people. We don't get promoted as much as white people.

I heard this stuff every day. Whether it was true or not, I heard it. So did the police.

Imagine being a cop and hearing that on every channel while you eat breakfast before going to work. Then you get in your patrol car and the first thing you see is a young black man driving a $90,000 Mercedes. Black people just told you, over and over again, they can't afford cars like that. So, you pull him over. Congratulations! You are now a racist.

In other words, black people have some responsibility for how they are viewed by others. Its not just white people being racist. The riots are a perfect example. Is there anyone left who doesn't expect this kind of behavior when various events occur? Black guy killed by a white cop - loot a liquor store and burn down a 7-11. Your favorite sports team loses - loot a liquor store and burn down a 7-11. You favorite sports team wins - loot a liquor store and burn down a 7-11.

You can't keep reinforcing the stereotype/profile then complain about being stereotyped/profiled.

I am a black man and I came to this site for an alternative news source. The site claims to "deny ignorance..."

I am now faced with the question, does my life really matter. Well, let's deny some ignorance.

Odds of being killed by the police: www.pnas.org...

source: www.pnas.org...

Ok, let's take a look at "black on black crime..."

Vast majority of most crimes are committed by a person of the same race as the victim, Bureau of Justice Statistics reports.

source: www.splcenter.org...

So I ask of the OP what have you done to curb "white on white crime?"

As a black man who lives in Atlanta, what do you expect me to do about crime in Chicago? Protest?

How can you compare crime in Chicago to a crime committed by officers sworn to "serve and protect?" Are the two comparable?

Once again, I'm back to the question of "does my life really matter?" In my opinion, I know that it does! In the world's opinion, especially the US, I believe that a dog's life matters more than mine.

If Derek Chauvin, kneeled on and killed a dog, I have a feeling he would have been arrested the same day and charged the next. I think the dog would have gotten more compassion than my black life. In fact, I know the dog would have gotten more compassion!

But hey. You know black on black crime is the issue of the day. None of our lives "matter" anyway.

Carry on...

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
Imagine being a cop and hearing that on every channel while you eat breakfast before going to work. Then you get in your patrol car and the first thing you see is a young black man driving a $90,000 Mercedes. Black people just told you, over and over again, they can't afford cars like that. So, you pull him over. Congratulations! You are now a racist.

I can afford a 90k Mercedes and I'm young. I worked my ass off to be able to do it. I had to already be 5 times as good as the least competent person of another race just to be able to do so. Now you're saying it's OK for me to be profiled, because of what?

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
In other words, black people have some responsibility for how they are viewed by others.

I hold you to that same accountability. I hold you, whatever race you are, how you are viewed by others. Your comments and viewpoint are apart of the problem, and exactly why things are the way they are today. I hold you to the same accountability as you hold me, a black man, accountable for something I have zero control over.

originally posted by: neo96
Do black lives really matter?

Only when a white cop is involved.

When it comes to the number one killer of AA's Abortion, and AA violence on AA violence it doesn't.

And people don't loot,burn,or otherwise make asse's out of themselves.

So you're saying that my entire existence, as a black man, is dependent on a white cop's involvement. Duly noted...

I'm not looting, making an "ass" of myself, over this either.

So in your infinite wisdom on the "AA" plight what do you expect me to do about abortion, and AA on AA violence? The same thing you do for other same-race violence? Enlighten me, what do you do about other race's same race violence? Does the media call it out as often as the big bad AA boogeyman?!

I bet you think I'm out looting and burning as I type this message huh? So you have all the answers what do you expect me to do as an "AA" man?

I have zero answers, I could use some.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Yet still...there is NO ACTION from local leaders over 97% of Blacks being murdered by Blacks. But they always find a camera to voice outrage when a Black person is killed by a White police officer. (But not if it's a Black police officer)

Tonight in Chicago, 2 girls were shot (by accident) while playing on the sidewalk. The news gave it 30 seconds of airtime..and moved on to the next segment. There will be no "anger" from anyone but the girls parents. And their anger will not be covered by TV or Print media.

When Black Leaders don't value "Black Lives", that's a serious problem. But, since almost all Black leaders have Democrat values...it's somewhat understandable.

originally posted by: majesticgent
I am a black man and I came to this site for an alternative news source. The site claims to "deny ignorance..."

I am now faced with the question, does my life really matter. Well, let's deny some ignorance.

Odds of being killed by the police: www.pnas.org...

source: www.pnas.org...

Ok, let's take a look at "black on black crime..."

Vast majority of most crimes are committed by a person of the same race as the victim, Bureau of Justice Statistics reports.

source: www.splcenter.org...

So I ask of the OP what have you done to curb "white on white crime?"

As a black man who lives in Atlanta, what do you expect me to do about crime in Chicago? Protest?

How can you compare crime in Chicago to a crime committed by officers sworn to "serve and protect?" Are the two comparable?

Once again, I'm back to the question of "does my life really matter?" In my opinion, I know that it does! In the world's opinion, especially the US, I believe that a dog's life matters more than mine.

If Derek Chauvin, kneeled on and killed a dog, I have a feeling he would have been arrested the same day and charged the next. I think the dog would have gotten more compassion than my black life. In fact, I know the dog would have gotten more compassion!

But hey. You know black on black crime is the issue of the day. None of our lives "matter" anyway.

Carry on...

I think you missed the point pal. I never said that people's lives don't matter, any people. I think what happened to this man is terrible. The point I'm trying to make is that we as a society, at least according to the media, only seem to care about anyone's life in specific situations. Now, we all know that isn't the case and that the vast majority of us morn lives lost in any situation, regardless of race or Creed. I would just like to see us act that way and move forward with a positive change.

As to your question of what am I doing to stop crime. I work with recently released offenders, people who just got out of prison or are in a diversion program to keep them out. People of all races, that's what I do on a daily basis.

a reply to: Somekindofwizard

As to your question of what am I doing to stop crime. I work with recently released offenders, people who just got out of prison or are in a diversion program to keep them out. People of all races, that's what I do on a daily basis.

So then how could you seriously ask if black lives matter? You know a good bunch of those people have been locked up to keep the privatized prisons going, on trumped-up charges and a few are probably innocent. Of all people you should know better!

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Somekindofwizard
And yes, black lives sure as hell matter. Obviously not to everyone, but to many. And damn good thing for everyone, because the simple truth is that if black lives don't matter, then no one's life matters.

Thank you!