Do black lives really matter?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

C'mon...you're cherry picking. Who was it who appointed all of those corrupt inner city school administrators and principals?? It wasn't the federal government, that's for sure! And, who do all those inner city administrators and principals employ for teachers? And, who do all those inner city school boards work for? And who do you think decides the sub-standard pay for those inner city school teachers...so they can pocket some if it for themselves all the way down the food chain, hmmmmm?????? And, who do ALL those people work for??? Every last one of them? They work for the corrupt inner city mayors, whom are largely democratic.

None of that, exactly zero, is the failing of the federal government regardless of democrat or republican. No, it's all of their very own doing!

So, don't give me that BS, because that's all it is...BS.

originally posted by: blueman12
a reply to: JBurns

Blackbeltjones is right about ATS being a haven for trump supporters. There isn't really an even mix here. It's been heavily leaning to the right. Alot less conspiracys and a lot more "democrats suck, trump rules" type of posts.

The bigest thing i dislike about trump is how divisive he made this country. Trump may have been a good potus for the economy, but he failed awefully at uniting the country.

How do you unite a country?

When was our country ever "united"?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Even beyond that, the notion Trump is the one responsible for being divisive is laughable!!

The Kenyan / Indonesian national before him was 10x more divisive! The democrats all hate Trump and are angry because their Eunuch Apologist in Chief before him gave away all the money to the Islamists instead of them!

originally posted by: bigsnowman
First of all, black lives matter isn't protesting white people killing black people, they are protesting white police officers killing innocent black people.

Wut? LOL

Please name the 'innocent' one.

Only repeating what I've heard, but it's usually pretty accurate. This guy was a previously convicted felon, a dirty/nasty pedo, and had just been caught in the act of trying to pass counterfeit currency (another felony BTW).

Enough with the virtue signaling. Ha Ha

originally posted by: blackbeltjones

This website...sheesh.
How can you ask a question like this?
Had it been your WHITE dad,uncle,grandpa,co-worker, or friend....you would be disturbed.I saw the video and read the story.
He was in custody(handcuffed).

This pos was "taking a knee" in Drump's world.


Why do blacks kill blacks?
Machismo.
Ego.
Disparity.(see Jim Crow and ALL systematic disparity of the African race)

Your making this about the gangs of Chicago.
This happened in Wisconsin.
It wasn't about gangs or crack or guns.

This MAN was in custody and half the weight of this 187 lbs COP'S knee on his neck......strangulating this MAN.
He was a MAN.
A person.(wait .....for shen they come for YOU. in an APPLEBEES parking lot.

Instead of building walls .....maybe ALL walls,including the BLUE WALL, should be dismantled?

Maybe?

(edit:I've been coming to this website for more than 15 years.Take your trolling-ish back to Reddit,or Russia,or your Alt-strong hold .And F your honky matrix.)

(See how they tried to make that chic in the park.. a social justice worker.naw.She yalls.Dont flip that.)

(THIS cracker-ass website)

Look, almost everyone is disturbed and pissed about floyd's murder. This is not a white and black issue, it is a shi**y cop issue.

This A hole needs to be thrown in prison forever. Which is going to happen.

That is not what this thread is about. It is about people just like you who are imagining that half the country is racist, when that is complete and total BS.

This thread is about the media coverage of this one incident that is an outlier, the outrageous response to it by the media and the rioters acting like this is a common occurrence, but their seemingly complete indifference to far greater amounts of black on black murders.

Someone explain to me what more should be done to this cop that would have stopped the rioting - should they have executed him on live TV? I don't think that would have stopped it either - which is a pretty sad state of affairs.

originally posted by: schuyler
Sure. Here's the issue:

Voter fraud is even less than that. So should we never hear about it again? I'm going to guess you'll answer no.

Saying that there are 'bigger problems' is always a weak/deflective argument and in this case a lack of understanding of why there are protests in general. The problems the black community faces stem back hundreds of years in this country. These protests are about more than just this one incident. There is an entire history of subjugation that leads up to this.
Big picture. Larger frustration.

I can't believe I even have to type this, but with the way ATS has gone in recent years, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

I think the bigger question is whether lives matter with poverty stricken people who see crime as a norm that also have huge social issues and typically have no family structure and when they do it is very dysfunctional.

I believe they do, but I'm not sure they themselves do, and their local police basically have the same perspective as them. Race/Color has nothing to do with this, but is a tough nut to crack...

originally posted by: blackbeltjones
a reply to: JBurns
The Republican party is no longer the party of LINCOLN .

Like Republicans care about blacks.

See:
Redistricting of voter zones.
Fear of VOTE BY MAIL.

The Republican party sold out their judeo-Christian ethics .


Yall ain't even the party of Reagan.

Republicans want everybody to succeed, to be happy. Why would we want anybody to fail and become a burden on the rest of us? Even if you hate blacks it makes no sense to want them to fail in life. Trump’s policies — before this damn virus struck — resulted in the highest rates of employment in decades for every race, ethnic group and gender; for LGBTQs, Muslims, atheists, socialists and single mothers. A rising tide lifts all boats. Trump was behind the First Step Act to help former black felons re-enter society. He’s pushing incentives for economic development zones in low-income neighborhoods. Ivanka elicited pledges from hundreds of firms to train millions of Americans — even black Americans if I’m not mistaken — for good-paying jobs. Her dad pushed for the highest level of funding for HBCUs ever. Does any of that sound racist to you?

originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: schuyler
Sure. Here's the issue:

Voter fraud is even less than that. So should we never hear about it again? I'm going to guess you'll answer no.

Saying that there are 'bigger problems' is always a weak/deflective argument and in this case a lack of understanding of why there are protests in general. The problems the black community faces stem back hundreds of years in this country. These protests are about more than just this one incident. There is an entire history of subjugation that leads up to this.
Big picture. Larger frustration.

I can't believe I even have to type this, but with the way ATS has gone in recent years, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

This is a terrible analogy.

The complaints about vote fraud are that it is far easier to occur with mailed out ballots. Most of the country does not currently have them but the democrats want them everywhere.

Now if there was an issue with police departments suddenly deciding to remove all body cameras because too many cops were getting caught doing illegal stuff, it might be a somewhat valid analogy. That is not happening - the opposite is happening, more and more police departments are requiring the use of body cameras.

originally posted by: Scapegrace
Republicans want everybody to succeed, to be happy. Why would we want anybody to fail and become a burden on the rest of us? Even if you hate blacks it makes no sense to want them to fail in life.

Terrible post ... for page 6.

You should re-post that as an OP ... and send a link to Tucker Carlson. Shine some limelight on ATS.

You state race isnt the motive, and that it leads all the way to racism. It appears like a contradiction? I may not be educated enough to have the subtleties come to light on the subject? Can you explain what is your intent behind those comments?

I believe you are misunderstanding the issue. BLM is only concerned about highlighting racial tensions specifically using white on black violence as their main fuel for their message. If it was as you say, BLM seeks to only point out Black Death for being black (which that itself is racially divisive, it assumes the only cause for the violence was because of race and ignores any other factors) why do we only hear comments about white on black violence from BLM?

I believe the hyper focus of race sex and any form of identity has allowed all conversation to be focused exclusively on those issues and not context or any other relevant data in a given situation. When those on the other side of the issue can be dismissed as a label (funny that seems like the exact mindset originally battling against, predetermined labeling and therefor different treatment based on those prejudices) it dehumanizes others and allows for even more prejudice and bigotry to breed from simple ignorance.

We aren’t being allowed to have true discourse when issues return to simple labeling of others.


a reply to: strongfp

a reply to: proximo

Please humor me while I turn that hypothetical around.

The complaints about having to wear body cameras* is that it is far easier to be a criminal cop if you aren't forced to wear them.

The "far easier" bit is a bone of contention. Colorado requires body cameras. Why is (almost) everyone else so backward?

*mail-in ballots

Not really. What have they brought the world? But I'll have to save my opinion for the Mud Pit where this question belongs.

Some black guy on CNN right now screaming about racism running rampant, and nobody asked him about 80% of all black people being killed by black people.

No wonder hardly no black people voted for Kamala Harris or Cory Booker.

Most of today's so-called Black leaders are as fake as they come.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Somekindofwizard

Awwwwww.... an opinion poll. How special.

But why not just call it like it really is? Do black lives really matter TO YOU? Because that's what you're really asking. And you know damn well it is. As does every single person who is answering.

But every one of you also know you only speak for yourselves.

And yes, black lives sure as hell matter. Obviously not to everyone, but to many. And damn good thing for everyone, because the simple truth is that if black lives don't matter, then no one's life matters.

You actually missed the point. He was asking if black lives matter to the black lives matter movement, being as they don't actively try to save black lives from other black murderers.

The answer is an emphatic "No, they don't" as evidenced by them singling out the smallest cases of blacks being killed, and not focusing on the biggest ones.

If black lives matter to the black lives matter movement, than they should be addressing black on black murders first, because they'd save more black lives. Instead, the truth of the matter is BLM is a political movement, designed around a political agenda, which is to demonize whites, mostly police.

And we DO have a police brutality problem, where police kill WAY TO MANY PEOPLE in this country, and everyone turns a blind eye to it. For ever black person killed by police for doing nothing, so too are whites -- it's not about skin color, it's about power -- and they flex their power on non-police, and protect each other as they do it.

They are the biggest gang in the country. But BLM doesn't care, they'd save more black lives by tackling ALL police abuses, than trying to champion a cause based on race.

So no; emphatically, Black lives do not matter to the Black Lives Matter Movement....

And the name is so powerful; it's the soul reason it's picked up steam. Do something bad, name it something good, people will follow it because they can relate to the name, when they are blind to the agenda.

#geteducated and don't just make stuff up, or take things out of context. In no read of the OP can it be interpreted that he's asking himself if black lives are important, that's a misreading.

Sadly hard facts can easily be ignored and they can simply go bash our President in countless other threads. I started hearing about a rise in homicides in Philadelphia too but that is just normal I guess.

a reply to: Snarl

You love to make stuff up. The man had a criminal past. But you seem to get off to stuff like this.

Even the daily mail has done a better job at digging up dirt on the man and painting him in a positive manner.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

You're also a liar, and opportunist.

a reply to: Rob808

You state race isnt the motive, and that it leads all the way to racism. It appears like a contradiction? I may not be educated enough to have the subtleties come to light on the subject? Can you explain what is your intent behind those comments?

Racism is not a motive for black on black crime in America. It's usually another motive. Which throws a curve ball into the whole equation that black on black crime stems from racism. But when it's black on white, or white on black, race can be a huge motive. In the case for police profiling on black people, it seems there is a bias. Bottom line, black on black crime is almost purely because of political or socioeconomic reasons, usually against black communities, and yes, stems from racism.

I believe you are misunderstanding the issue. BLM is only concerned about highlighting racial tensions specifically using white on black violence as their main fuel for their message. If it was as you say, BLM seeks to only point out Black Death for being black (which that itself is racially divisive, it assumes the only cause for the violence was because of race and ignores any other factors) why do we only hear comments about white on black violence from BLM?

Black Lives matter simply means. Black lives matter too. It's a movement that protests police brutality.
From it has stemmed many other fringe groups. The same thing happened when Malcolm X and MLK Jr were bringing forth their versions of how civil rights protest should have been demonstrated.

We aren’t being allowed to have true discourse when issues return to simple labeling of others.

I agree. Labels and profiling do nothing but create more hate, and divide.

7,700 Black Americans murdered in the USA in 2018. 97% of those murders were committed by a Black American.

www.washingtonpost.com...

No riots of protest/anger? No special news coverage? No empathy from ANYONE?

I guess that answers the question posed by this thread's title.

Guys guys guys... lets not forget white lives matter, too..



I mean, we're fkd worse, and NO ONE gaf...