Do black lives really matter?

a reply to: blackbeltjones

Platforms didn't change, democrats just took to more tactful ways and created an indentured voter class. If you dont look at their platform and see that they still see people of color as inferior then I have some ocean front property to sell you in Jamaica, ....Queens.

originally posted by: BoscoMoney
a reply to: blackbeltjones

Wow, so edgy. So fake.

Mom tried to abort you and failed. Punk.

I think most people on here are good and trustworthy people.

That being said, please understand that Black Lives Matter is a movement. Does that mean lives of other races doesn't matter? Certainly not! Anyone is welcome to start a movement for their race and call it whatever. Calling a movement, White Lives Matter or All Lives Matter actually waters down the meaning of the original movement's intention. Let that sink in for a while.

Anyway, the notion that BLM doesn't care about black on black crime is false narrative used by the media to further separate racial issues. There are sooo many other organizations working within the inner city communities to help stem the flow of violence, to help bring families together to help heal the wounds. Many of these organizations people are not even aware of what they are and what they do. All of these organizations care about the lives impacted and families suffering from the violence, crime and poverty issues.

Also, BLM was not formed to just tackle injustices caused by white cops against black people. They focus on injustices caused by ALL law enforcement personnel against blacks because many times these injustices go unnoticed and unpunished. It's the lack of concern and lack of care by a certain percentage of law enforcement that drives BLM to take up the slack.

This is not about white against black.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Somekindofwizard

In Chicago alone 131 black people have been murdered

Who did the killing ? Mainly gang related, petty criminals or domestic violence i would assume.

I realize that everyone is up in arms over George Floyd's death recently, understandably so. The police involved have been fired and are under investigation by the FBI.

Floyd was killed by a Police Officer, a Public Servant paid for by the Tax Payer.

Can you spot the difference ?

you're the crazy one on ats for not saying as long as blacks kill each other, then it's ok for whites to....


by the same logic as long as whites kill each other, blacks should be allowed to kill whites

you're missing the flawless point of the op... ats agrees

I haven't got a clue what you are trying to say.

Can you elaborate ?

well black crimes kill more blacks than whites, therefore it's ok for black criminals to be killed no matter the infractions...

how can black lives matter if blacks kill blacks, so it's cool that guy was killed the way he was...

no need to play coy.. what is this thread about really...?

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Somekindofwizard

In Chicago alone 131 black people have been murdered

Who did the killing ? Mainly gang related, petty criminals or domestic violence i would assume.

I realize that everyone is up in arms over George Floyd's death recently, understandably so. The police involved have been fired and are under investigation by the FBI.

Floyd was killed by a Police Officer, a Public Servant paid for by the Tax Payer.

Can you spot the difference ?

you're the crazy one on ats for not saying as long as blacks kill each other, then it's ok for whites to....


by the same logic as long as whites kill each other, blacks should be allowed to kill whites

you're missing the flawless point of the op... ats agrees

I haven't got a clue what you are trying to say.

Can you elaborate ?

well black crimes kill more blacks than whites, therefore it's ok for black criminals to be killed no matter the infractions...

how can black lives matter if blacks kill blacks, so it's cool that guy was killed the way he was...

no need to play coy.. what is this thread about really...?

You assume too much.

At no time have i said anything that you have stated. I don't know why you would even think that i did.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Somekindofwizard

If we want to understand why black on black crime is an actual issue, perhaps we should be looking at the reasons why it's like that, how it began, and where it stems from. Perhaps we can start with one simple idea, that black communities are in fact and have been shown to be overly policed, incarceration rates from the 1960s sky rocketed, I wonder why.

Just a wild guess, but is it because Blacks commit more crimes? Fact is the Blacks kill whites at TEN TIMES THE RATE that whites kill blacks. You are ignoring that so you can express the typical liberal "Oh, it's just poverty and racism" argument This will never be solved if you continue to ignore the elephant in the room.

Wow, that's rich.

The elephant in the room is poverty.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Somekindofwizard

In Chicago alone 131 black people have been murdered

Who did the killing ? Mainly gang related, petty criminals or domestic violence i would assume.

I realize that everyone is up in arms over George Floyd's death recently, understandably so. The police involved have been fired and are under investigation by the FBI.

Floyd was killed by a Police Officer, a Public Servant paid for by the Tax Payer.

Can you spot the difference ?

you're the crazy one on ats for not saying as long as blacks kill each other, then it's ok for whites to....


by the same logic as long as whites kill each other, blacks should be allowed to kill whites

you're missing the flawless point of the op... ats agrees

I haven't got a clue what you are trying to say.

Can you elaborate ?

well black crimes kill more blacks than whites, therefore it's ok for black criminals to be killed no matter the infractions...

how can black lives matter if blacks kill blacks, so it's cool that guy was killed the way he was...

no need to play coy.. what is this thread about really...?

You assume too much.

At no time have i said anything that you have stated. I don't know why you would even think that i did.

I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic.

originally posted by: blackbeltjones

This website...sheesh.
How can you ask a question like this?
Had it been your WHITE dad,uncle,grandpa,co-worker, or friend....you would be disturbed.I saw the video and read the story.
He was in custody(handcuffed).

This pos was "taking a knee" in Drump's world.


Why do blacks kill blacks?
Machismo.
Ego.
Disparity.(see Jim Crow and ALL systematic disparity of the African race)

Your making this about the gangs of Chicago.
This happened in Wisconsin.
It wasn't about gangs or crack or guns.

This MAN was in custody and half the weight of this 187 lbs COP'S knee on his neck......strangulating this MAN.
He was a MAN.
A person.(wait .....for shen they come for YOU. in an APPLEBEES parking lot.

Instead of building walls .....maybe ALL walls,including the BLUE WALL, should be dismantled?

Maybe?

(edit:I've been coming to this website for more than 15 years.Take your trolling-ish back to Reddit,or Russia,or your Alt-strong hold .And F your honky matrix.)

(See how they tried to make that chic in the park.. a social justice worker.naw.She yalls.Dont flip that.)

(THIS cracker-ass website)

You know, I never understood that being called something as delicious as a cracker, is a bad thing. The amount of come back jokes one could make from tho...

Then given enough context...guess anything will.

a reply to: Somekindofwizard

Want to see some interesting stats?

Go here...

heyjackass.com (It's a legit site)

In answer to your questions, I think there are two things going on simultaneously. I used to think this was a racial thing, but anymore I don't. Anymore I see it as a political thing more than racial. I will explain. ...

First, anymore I think the ethnicity of the majority of perps and victims in some of these cities like Chicago and LA are a function of the politics which draw them there, and/or keep them there. I used to see it as a black / Hispanic thing, but not anymore. I see it as a democratic thing, as in 'democratic party' thing. They condone this type of thug mentality. In fact, they encourage it even! They rally their constituents with rage, hate and anger...and race.

So, on the one hand you have political leaders actually encouraging members of their communities to become violent, and secondly, they intentionally do nothing about it so it will get national media attention. The old saying...'there's no such thing as bad publicity'...reigns supreme!

The democrats thrive on political hatred. It gets them votes, and money. They could care less about how many bodies go to the morgue; the more the better. Inner cities are just too blinded by their hatred to see their leaders don't give one flying F# about them. They've allowed themselves to be conned into this being a race thing, simply because the demographics of the area happen to lean in favor of certain ethnicities, but the reason these ethnicities congregate in these areas is because of politics, not out of some tribal sense of belonging.

So...

1. The democratic political leaders condone and encourage hatred and violence, and...
2. The local democratic bureaucracy takes a soft glove approach to the violence to attract media attention so they can play the race card in the media to get votes, campaign funds and incite more hatred.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

a reply to: strongfp

Pretty much this. Prior to the Civil Rights Movement (and even after) blacks were relegated to the worst neighborhoods. If they somehow managed to turn those around then they were forced out.

Even after integration, most black students were already behind their white classmates thanks to the substandard education offered by "separate but equal." Then we begin to attach education funding to academic performance and we wonder why these primarily black schools continue to do worse even though we "solved racism."

Then we jump ahead to the War on Drugs that led to the disproportionate incarceration of young black men. Which in turn created many black children growing up without fathers.

So we've taken away opportunities from the black community when they've created them, we've short changed them on their education, and imprisoned them en masse.

The system has failed them. Is it any surprise that so many look for a way outside the system to make their way in life?

We can talk about black on black violence. In fact we should. But that conversation requires us to talk about the systemic racism that still exists in this country. It didn't go away in the 60s. It just became less overt, but in a way that makes it more insidious than the days of Jim Crow.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

So, let's be careful here...define "we" in your statements. You stop short of that.

"We" is defined as democratic leadership, make no mistake about it!! The very same ones who are screaming "racist" the loudest!

So, while your statements may have some merit, let's not lose track of where to squarely lay the blame! It's at the democrats doorstep. They're the ones fanning the flames of hate and racism, and they're doing it for their own personal gain. One only needs to look at the political corruption in any of these major cities like Chicago, LA, and NYC. It's endemic. And, it's all democrats! That's who "we" is.

100% correct.

If a black man is shot by another black man anywhere, say Chicago, which happens every week, there are no protests for BLM and no media coverage.

If a black man is killed by a white person, whether they be a cop or citizen, only THEN does black lives matter.

a reply to: schuyler

They're protesting what they feel is unjust and racist regarding police activity. Your chart doesn't really address the issue.

Black on black crime is also an issue but that's not what BLM first started for.

Just negating their concerns because "well black people kill more black people " seems like a weak counter argument to blm protesting.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

How do you figure? Both parties are responsible for creating an environment that have kept black people down.

The " We" I refer to is America as a whole. We have failed the people for centuries. In recent years We have turned a blind eye to the continued systemic racism. And We are the ones that act surprised when these people act outside the system in an attempt to better their station in life.

This isn't a Left/Right issue and the fact that people continue to try to make it one proves that We continue to fail a large percentage of the population at a most basic level.

a reply to: jjkenobi

Areas like chicago definitely need attention but BLM started because of the injustice felt between race relations of police and blacks.

They are two separate issues. Focusing on one issue doesn't somehow negate the other.

BLM isn't a universal advocacy group for any and all black cpmmunity issues...

a reply to: JBurns

Blackbeltjones is right about ATS being a haven for trump supporters. There isn't really an even mix here. It's been heavily leaning to the right. Alot less conspiracys and a lot more "democrats suck, trump rules" type of posts.

The bigest thing i dislike about trump is how divisive he made this country. Trump may have been a good potus for the economy, but he failed awefully at uniting the country.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

No, you're being influenced by the media again. The left wants you to think it's a bipartisan issue, but it isn't.

The racial hatred is coming exclusively from the left, from the democrats.

a reply to: Somekindofwizard

No. Not unless the media can use their death to push an agenda.

a reply to: strongfp

Bullhorse. I've seen BLM protesting, looting, and rioting any chance they get and they solve absolutely nothing.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Who initiated the War on Drugs? A "war" that has condemned millions of black men to prison and deprived millions of children from having a father.

Let's look at even more recent history. I think we can all agree there is a massive disparity between the quality of education in the inner cities compared to the suburbs. So who did Trump appoint to head the Department of Education? A woman whose track record shows that her espoused policies are bad for inner city students.

Like I said, the policies passed by both parties today may not be as an overt attack on blacks as the War on Drugs, but they do perpetuate a system stacked against blacks.

originally posted by: Somekindofwizard
Hear me out before you jump on here and call me a racist. I realize that everyone is up in arms over George Floyd's death recently, understandably so. The police involved have been fired and are under investigation by the FBI.

Here's the issue I see. There have been 147 days so far this year. In Chicago alone 131 black people have been murdered. Where's the media on that....... I'm waiting. I'll tell you what I think, it doesn't fit the agenda and since they weren't killed by a white man it's not as important. Therefore their lives don't matter as much. Am I wrong?

Someone please explain this to me in a rational way.

Don’t you know by now it only matters if a white person kills a black person? It’s OK for blacks to slaughter each other by the thousands because there’s no racism involved. And it’s perfectly fine for blacks to kill many times more whites than vice versa (because we’re evil). Just like it’s OK for blacks to call each other the N-word, which I dare not even spell out.