Corona Virus Updates Part 6

a reply to: McGinty

Its a sad state of affairs looking at the world today and leaders being elected, I bet your right too about him faking having covid it's exactly what these slimy bastards would do to stay in power.

a reply to: McGinty

Thanks for your reply... can't star it for some reason.

Yes, I think what you say is true of Boris. He will come out and be some hero when the time is right for him to do so but he needs to be careful with relaxing rules and allowing people back to work to early.

The coffers are open anyway... digital money can never die! Everyone can still recieve these digital benefit payments for as long as we need.

Anyone here got any opinions on taking anti-histamines for hey fever?

I’m assuming that the way they work can to some extent compromise the immune system, so..

On one hand it seems a bad idea because compromising the immune system may mean being more vulnerable to infection and getting what amounts to a higher dose of infection (I remember that being discussed as a possible cause of the wildly differing outcomes).

On the other hand, it now seems to be becoming apparent that immune suppression may help in mitigating the potential cytokine storm that sometimes happens later on during the illness.

It leaves layman like me uncertain about the wisdom of taking anti histamine hey fever relief.

Now that pollen season is here In the U.K. I face being virtually housebound without anti histamines, but if they increase Covid risks then i guess I have little choice.

I imagine there are no definitive answers, but any of your far more informed opinions would be valued and appreciated. Thanks

a reply to: McGinty

Don’t worry about antihistamines because of the virus. Different immune cells target different things. Benadryl for allergic reactions, doxylamine if you need to sleep or have a head cold, Allegra is my favorite because of it’s broadness and how quickly it works, Zyrtec and Claritin are solid too but Zyrtec makes some tired and Claritin needs to build up.

Update on my Aunt in Kentucky.

She is now back on the Ventilator, and under sedation again. I guess she has a small hole in one of her lungs, not sure what that means. Maybe filling chest cavity with air??? Can someone in the know explain?

Not looking too good for her again.

We got a picture of her via text, and it is a sad sight. We were all very upset last night.

I sent the picture to my brother in law, and father in law, who are both still in the "it's just a flu" camp. Both are all about opening up, get rid of all restrictions. I sent a note along saying this is what happens when we do not do our part to stop the spread. We can create suffering for others.

No response from them. Ticks me off.

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
a reply to: McGinty
The coffers are open anyway... digital money can never die! Everyone can still recieve these digital benefit payments for as long as we need.

I’d suggest the government help by capping utilities, rents and interests rates and pay all of them directly. Then they have a handle on preventing corporations profiteering and only have to pay individuals enough to eat etc.

But Boris is in the pocket of those corporations that are exploiting the situation. He won’t do anything that reduces their dividends. And he will sadly lift lockdown far too early; 2 weeks ago he said lockdown was here until September (which is what Scotland, Ireland and Wales are still saying). But then it was leaked that Boris had received a letter from the rich Tory donors telling him to ease lockdown now. Shortly afterward he got a letter from the City of London’s Chamber of Commerce telling his to ease lockdown now.

So, despite scientists from many quarters (google the Lancet) telling Boris not to ease lockdown, Boris is today announcing the easing of lockdown in England. Then no doubt Boris will repeat the mantra that he’s ‘following the science’, but it’s clear he is following the diktats of the rich. Will the MSM point out this obvious chain of events? Well they’ve missed every opportunity this far, so I guess they too, including whipping boy the BBC, are following the diktats of the rich.

With only toothless acknowledgement of these facts in the face of such blatant carelessness at the top levels one wonders what it would take to finally mobilise the masses.

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Thanks for the advice, it’s greatly appreciated and a relief to hear!

Claritin is the only one that I found works on me, so I better start accumulating it in my system, then!

On a side note I’d beware Fexofenadine... I took it about 3 summers ago and it worked far better than anything else I’ve ever taken. However while on it I developed tinnitus. I’d never had it before and it’s a listed possible side effect. I still have it to this day and it can be pretty unbearable at times. So, approach that one with caution.

a reply to: MrRCflying

Hey MrCF ... sorry to hear that your aunt is back on a ventilator. That is a bummer.

Them saying she has a 'hole in her lung' probably means she has a pneumothorax (free air in the chest cavity around the lung(s)). Free air like that can make the lung collapse, which is probably why they put her back on a ventilator, to keep that lung inflated. They will need to be careful with the ventilator settings, and she may need to stay weeks in the hospital with a chest tube until the hole in her pleura (the surface of the lung) heals, if that is the case, even after she gets off the ventilator. I hope they can get her off the ventilator again as fast as possible. Bummer. I am hoping and praying for you and yours.

Hi everyone, hope you all are well, been busy and needed a break. Work, army, all corona, last thing I want is to talk about it after.

Animal and in vitro studies have started and it’s doing some unexpected things.

We are breeding a few strains of animals to see the dangers of this thing, since we still have a year or so left.

I do have to speak broadly about some of these - what we are looking into -

Ibuprofen- is that real, probably not, maybe in kids.

Comorbidities - very real - seems to be the primary driver for interventions and most of the illnesses. Protect them or protect our economy - which is more dangerous? Diabetes, heart, kidney, immunodeficiency are big ones. Overweight not so much, overweight and diabetic yes. Type 2 diabetes, not the autoimmune one.

Human ACE2 Mice - so these guys are bred to have increased numbers of human ACE2 receptors in epithelial cells, that’s the top layer, everywhere. Idea is to make them more vulnerable to infection and give us a nice 7-10 day model with death as an endpoint. Slight problem - it’s not killing them like SARS - they’re recovering - now we’re trying various strains and other genetic factors.

Immunodeficient Mice - these guys are also known as knockout Mice - goal here is to isolate and turn off or knockout an important immune signal or cell to identify what actually helps or does not help in an infection. We can turn off interferon, stat, certain regulators etc. it’s like telling you to communicate without using the letter A or knocking out a frequency commonly used for communication, call your friends on your phone but the number 0 doesn’t work. This helps us identify host genes used for infection and other factors. Why? Because some pathogens need another host pathogen or immune response to infect the host.

Genetic Mapping and Modification- to make a vaccine this needs to be done, RNA viruses are notoriously difficult to make an effective vaccine for - where do we focus? What is the host focus? We need a site that does not mutate quickly, we also need a site that’s easy to access that does not mutate too quickly for speed of vaccine development. I don’t know, if it’s in the wild it will mutate and we will need a new one anyways, it’s why RNA viruses reinfect people. These studies also allow us to identify which host genes are used by the virus for infection. They also identify the specific target cells in the host that the virus can enter, every single one.

No you can’t get corona from the flu vaccine - I guess you can be made more sensitive to certain antigens through amplification though.

Recombination - we are making modified viruses to allow it to be studied at lower levels of biosafety. It can’t infect humans but this gets more eyes on the thing to increase chances of finding drug and vaccine targets.

Neurological Studies - don’t know yet but it’s not behaving like SARS/MERS. It’s behaving like a mild chest cold. It’s also infecting nerve tissue.

Treatment Goals - Inhibition of host or viral gene response through drug/antibody. Vaccine target - wherever we go it will drive mutation eventually but we could always find a building block. They’re doing it with influenza. Identify hosts with increased susceptibility through genetic analysis.

Basically you let the virus breed naturally to generate a wild or natural type in cells then start hitting it with whatever you want. Does this chemical work? What if we knockout this receptor or signal? Where does the virus use the host response in reproduction? This is where and how we stop the thing from reproducing and help the body overcome disease. Try it in humanized animal models, go up to higher species similar to humans, medical trials and then public use. Plus tons of paperwork....

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
The United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have issued a safety warning about the drug, noting that the antibiotic may cause abnormal changes in the electrical activity of the heart.

This could lead to potentially fatal complications in some cases...

Interesting... I thought it was the hydroxychloraquine they were saying could cause heart problems... or maybe it is both...

Anyway, good thing no one actually has to resort to these to resolve this illness, since we have Vitamin C.

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Thanks for the update.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Would it be possible to collate a similar set of expert opinions and charts which conflicts with or contradicts what is written in your compilation? The reason I say this is because it is common for conflicting opinions within the medical world and common for there to be as many against, as for a particular prognosis/analysis.

Yeah, don't let anything get in the way of your doom-porn.

At least you're consistent.

originally posted by: Fowlerstoad
a reply to: MrRCflying

Hey MrCF ... sorry to hear that your aunt is back on a ventilator. That is a bummer.

Them saying she has a 'hole in her lung' probably means she has a pneumothorax (free air in the chest cavity around the lung(s)). Free air like that can make the lung collapse, which is probably why they put her back on a ventilator, to keep that lung inflated. They will need to be careful with the ventilator settings, and she may need to stay weeks in the hospital with a chest tube until the hole in her pleura (the surface of the lung) heals, if that is the case, even after she gets off the ventilator. I hope they can get her of the ventilator again as fast as possible. Bummer. I am hoping and praying for you and yours.

Thanks so much for the explanation. That is kind of what I was thinking, but not sure. Just that it was a small hole in her lung.

My mom is really upset, convinced she will not make it. I am trying to keep her spirits up, but we are so far away, and nothing we can do anyhow.

I had a talk with my boys last night, preached at them actually. Showed them the picture of my aunt, and said this is why we are staying home, this is why we are protecting my mother, this is why I am taking every precaution I can. We don't want others to suffer and die just because we are being selfish and want to do what we want to do.

Right now there is a lot of that attitude around. I believe that is why my aunt got it. I think her son brought it in to her, because he was out and not taking precautions, he very well could have been an asymptomatic case.

originally posted by: 666yrasrevdA
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
That's the thing, you can be absolutely convinced by the information presented in that link not knowing that it can be completely pulled to pieces by the other side of the argument.

Not by any logical, rational, fact based argument it can't. But yeah, by irrational fear-mongering, sure, anything can.

Confirmation bias is strong during this pandemic, all I know is that most experts are saying this virus is the real deal, and so that's what I'm sticking with until convinced otherwise.

You do understand that the second part of your sentence simply proves your first, right? And, I'd add, it is totally without substance.

a reply to: McGinty

I’m sorry to hear about the tinnitus, that’s also really interesting. If you get headaches, dizziness and weird sounds or loss of hearing that come and go definitely tell your doctor, especially if you’re female. It could’ve been a coincidence, I thought they usually go the opposite way with ringing in the ears but we’re all different, it’s what stinks with some of these meds.

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite
Why would only a flu virus scare the sh.t out of them? And with expressions like "its very dangerous", "never seen anything like it" or "its like many diseases in one".

Because the ones doing the screaming are obese and either pre-diabetic or have diabetes, and those are the two major risk factors that people who get really sick and/or die have, by a very large percentage?

originally posted by: Byrd
So this treatment has proven decent enough in the latest round of clinical trials (they were on Phase 2) that HHS and the FDA are jumping ahead and allowing wider use.

Yeah. they're under a lot of pressure to find something, anything, that helps even a little, to try to keep a lid on the fact that Vitamin C would totally resolve the problem. Can't let that little gem get out, or their house of allopathy would come tumbling down around their heads - and for some, around their necks.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
a reply to: Byrd
A remedy could likely be more life saving than a vaccine at this point.

Since there has never been a successful coronavirus vaccine, and likely never will, that is correct.

And since there already is an extremely safe and effective treatment, we don't need to keep looking.

They 9the medical mafia) do, however, because they cannot have the general public learn of their crimes against humanity - the suppression of Vitamin C (and other safe, natural, inexepensive therapies)as a life saving treatment for this and pretty much all viral and most bacterial illnesses that are responsible for counteless millions of deaths over the last 60-80 years.

originally posted by: carewemust
U.S. CDC Director to Self-Quarantine.

www.cnn.com...

Why is anyone still Self-Quarantining, when almost instant Covid-19 test results are available? To take a break from work? That's what the Chicago Cook-County board commissioner did 2 weeks ago.

It is simply to perpetuate the fear-mongering.

originally posted by: Observationalist
I know you don’t like speculation....But what if they all shared something in common beside proximity. In the case of Montana, What about a van (Mobile clinic) that comes by and offers flu shots or other immunization to rural areas. Or like the nursing home in WA, they may have had a flu shot clinic back in November or December.

Could have been a bad batch of vaccines or the clinic staff were unknowingly infecting participants in the clinic.

There was reference to published data showing that anyone who got the annual flu shot was much more prone to get seriously ill from this disease... just one more of many reasons to never ever get the flu shot.