Data Will Expose the Covid Conspiracy

At the risk of coming off ignorant about the hospital overload crisis: how do we know how many people would actually be going to the hospital for their symptoms if the country was not in full blown panic mode? What percentage of healthcare worker time and hospital equipment is dedicated to people who normally would ride out the virus like a normal illness? Obviously, these people will typically be sent home (I hope) but that still has to be an enormous drain on the system.

originally posted by: Edumakated
Covid is real.

The mass hysteria is real. Most people are not all that logical and we tend to follow the herd.

The conspiracy will be how the left will use this to damage the Trump presidency whether it is negative and false media reporting.

Part of me thinks the ChiComs are crafty enough to know this would have been the end result and using it to their advantage. This is a 4d chess move on their part of WWIII which is an economic war, not a physical war.

I buy this Ed... with one caveat...

I'm not sure any one country would have perpetrated this. Should this have gone wrong, it would have serious consequences for all countries - inclusive of the perpetrator. Lots of downside risk...

On the other hand, it's just a little coincidental, don't you think, that something happened which pushed the economic impact up significantly?

It's 4D chess at this point for sure - but who/how/why is still in question for me.

I don't think you can get in front of that (minus the investment side of things), and the postmortem will tell us what we need to know.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: EnigmaChaser

There was a period of about a week where I thought someone had talked some sense into him. I was wrong. It's still "this is bad for me."

Turns out he's still got your back

www.cnbc.com...

a reply to: EnigmaChaser

Sure he does.

"Because the 'Ratings' of my News Conferences etc. are so high, 'Bachelor finale, Monday Night Football type numbers' according to the @nytimes, the Lamestream Media is going CRAZY," Trump tweeted.

www.usatoday.com...

What I'm noticing on this thread is people seem to be forgetting people are starting to fighting for money now......Tells me a lot where the economy is headed for a recession or a depression...

a reply to: Jobeycool

people are starting to fighting for money now.

And this is something new?

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: EnigmaChaser

OR hospitals have a LOT of capacity. They don’t need another 1000 beds.

You are aware that things will get worse before they get better ?
If health authorities don't plan for the future cases they would be criticized for that too.

Now just you wait a minute, gortex. Are you suggesting that they should plan ahead, based on what has been seen to happen over and over again all over the world, rather than wait until more hospital capacity and ventilators are needed to start asking for them?

If we don't wait until its too late, then how are we going to keep the body wagon companies employed after people start choking to death at home? Its just stupid to want to be prepared. We should wait until AFTER the need is there, THEN complain that we waited too long.

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
Data is already exposing COVID19

www.cdc.gov...

On Thursday the US had 85356 cases. Friday we had 103321 cases. Yesterday we had 122653. Today's numbers aren't in but they are likely close to 136000 if they are doubling every four days. We will find out in 24 hours.

Actually, after todays numbers; the infection has increased by 70% nation wide. 86% in Texas, and 36% worldwide...
That is over the last 4 days...

The death rate of infected has dropped 6% in the U.S. Worldwide; the death rate has increased from 4.4% to 4.7% … a 0.3% increase.

The problem with these numbers is that we truly have no idea how many have been infected, so it is quite reasonable to presume that these numbers are vastly inflated due to the general lack of testing.

a reply to: Joneselius

It will never get into the millions. However tuberculousis in 2018 did get into the millions:

TB Killed 1.5 Million in 2018

So where was the news on that?

It's spread when a person with active TB disease in their lungs coughs or sneezes and someone else inhales the expelled droplets, which contain TB bacteria.

link to info

Same way influenza is spread.

So where is the news on that?

These numbers for COVI19 are baby numbers compare.

We all need to listen to Jocko Willink and David Goggins.

a reply to: EnigmaChaser

Those jobs are waiting all over the world for everyone to get better so we can go back to them.
God leftovers last longer than some think their jobs will.

a reply to: carsforkids

True.
It's a game title around bere. Along the lines of Q but older. With grey hair.

a reply to: steaming

When Yellowstone blows there won't be any triage.
It's game over.

originally posted by: MPoling
We all need to listen to Jocko Willink and David Goggins.

100% agree on Jocko.

His podcast is great.
The Extreme Ownership books are excellent reads for anyone in leadership positions.
The Field Manual provides various useful pieces of info in a more free form read..

#DisciplineEqualsFreedom
#GetAfterIt

originally posted by: EnigmaChaser
www.oregonlive.com...

For the first time I can remember, The Oregonian did something I support.

They made OR officials actually disclose data on hospitals, Covid mortality with more granular detail, ventilator counts, etc.

What did they find?

OR hospitals have a LOT of capacity. They don’t need another 1000 beds.

I ran these numbers the other day based on publicly available information and my findings were very consistent with this reporting.

Every state wants to make it worse than it really is to get Fed $, change laws and reshape our landscape. As Rahm said - never let a crisis go to waste.

And now the blue states with large urban centers are looking to straight cash in - and they did! And they’re also the ones throwing around the most hyperbolic numbers to drum up support for more cash.

25k dead globally isn’t a thing. Sorry. This is largely all about money - and more data like what came out of OR will probably prove that.

Thank you for being one of the critical thinkers here. However, it concerns me people are being tested over and over and over due to the "false negative" narrative until they arrive at a positive result. The numbers will be skewed heavily to make it appear as if this is a pandemic when it has never been and never will be.

I cannot believe how stupid people are to believe this fear mongering campaign. Fear is a control mechanism and the sheep are scared.

originally posted by: ruckus49
At the risk of coming off ignorant about the hospital overload crisis: how do we know how many people would actually be going to the hospital for their symptoms if the country was not in full blown panic mode? What percentage of healthcare worker time and hospital equipment is dedicated to people who normally would ride out the virus like a normal illness? Obviously, these people will typically be sent home (I hope) but that still has to be an enormous drain on the system.

Your post nailed it on the head. If the overblown hype of the media had not instilled in everyone they are all going to die then the vast majority would have simply stayed home and in bed and ridden it out like we do every time we get sick.

In the area I live less than 1% of people going into the hospitals to be tested are coming up positive. Meaning 99% of them go home still sick but NOT with Covid-19.

originally posted by: BlackProject
a reply to: Joneselius

It will never get into the millions. However tuberculousis in 2018 did get into the millions:

TB Killed 1.5 Million in 2018

So where was the news on that?

It's spread when a person with active TB disease in their lungs coughs or sneezes and someone else inhales the expelled droplets, which contain TB bacteria.

link to info

Same way influenza is spread.

So where is the news on that?

These numbers for COVI19 are baby numbers compare.

And TB infected more than 10 million people during that time frame and yet NOTHING in the media about this. Hmmm....

Sheep.

a reply to: EnigmaChaser

Yes i agree now. The population was lower in 1918 and technology was different not to mention propaganda was not as sophisticated. Its not comparable to covid19.

Italy might be a good example of what you are referring to. Over 10% death rate but the amount of people who have the virus or had it would be more much than 100 000.

What do you think this is all leading to other than loss of freedoms? Perhaps an asteroid impact in the near future or the start of world war 3?

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) Situation Report – 69 March 29, 2020

Globally
634 835 confirmed (63 159)
29 891 deaths (3398)

www.who.int...


To compare with Flu so far this season:

Preliminary In-Season 2019-2020 Burden Estimates

CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through March 21, 2020, there have been:

38,000,000 – 54,000,000
flu illnesses

18,000,000 – 26,000,000
flu medical visits

400,000 – 730,000
flu hospitalizations

24,000 – 62,000
flu deaths


*Because influenza surveillance does not capture all cases of flu that occur in the U.S., CDC provides these estimated ranges to better reflect the larger burden of influenza. These estimates are calculated based on CDC’s weekly influenza surveillance data and are preliminary.

www.cdc.gov...

Hopefully the drop rate continues to decline.

I know some people are going to argue it is absurd to compare these two but I disagree. COVID-19 has been active since at least October 2019, and when did we begin taking these drastic measures like lockdown and social distancing, etc? Very recently. The mortality rate/percentage is more than likely much lower due to the fact that the actual number of infected is significantly higher when you factor in asymptomatics who were and never will be tested plus all those who only experienced mild symptoms (a large majority) who were also never tested.

I'm not downplaying that this virus is deadly and highly contagious, but there is also a hell of a lot of fear mongering happening at the same time. Fear mongering is absolutely pathetic.

a reply to: M4ngo

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) Situation Report – 69 March 29, 2020

Globally
634 835 confirmed (63 159)
29 891 deaths (3398)

From the time you pulled your numbers to the time I made this post those figures have updated to:



worldometers

So we grew 125502 cases and 6971 deaths, that's an increase of 19.769% and 25.923% respectively.

The coronaviruses that cause the common cold are endemic alpha- and betacoronaviruses:

The alphacoronaviruses HCoV-NL63 and -229E and the betacoronaviruses HCoV-OC43 and -HKU1 are established human pathogens. They are responsible for episodes of common cold in humans worldwide (Annan et al., 2016; Graat et al., 2003; Mackay et al., 2012; Owusu et al., 2014; van Elden et al., 2004).

Hosts and Sources of Endemic Human Coronaviruses

endemic
Pronunciation /enˈdemik/ /ɛnˈdɛmɪk/
adjective

1(of a disease or condition) regularly found among particular people or in a certain area.
‘complacency is endemic in industry today’
‘areas where malaria is endemic’

Lexico

The virus that causes Covid19 is a new virus to humans, and due to that fact no one has any antibodies for the virus. It is more closely related to SARS and MERS than it is to the common cold:

Other human coronaviruses

MERS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS)
SARS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS)
SARS-CoV-2 (the novel coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019, or COVID-19)

Human Coronavirus Types - CDC

It is far more transmissible than either SARS or MERS, however.