The Anti-Christian conspiracy

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
Saint, I told you that these folks would need concrete proof. An experience is what they need. It seems man (and woman) need to shown signs and wonders. What better way than a visit from an eternal? I know, it is a really painful lesson, but think about it. And pray I suppose too...lol. We have a whole generation of doubters the divine nature of God and believers in themselves and their "gods" even as Elijah dealt with the worshipers og Baal.

okay, so let's just treat me as a doubter, while just not addressing some serious scriptural problems. you don't even acknowledge my evidence, i don't need a sign of wonder, i need someone to explain how a document with as many flaws as the bible is the word of god.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
okay, so let's just treat me as a doubter, while just not addressing some serious scriptural problems. you don't even acknowledge my evidence, i don't need a sign of wonder, i need someone to explain how a document with as many flaws as the bible is the word of god.

heh, heh. Signs and wonders arent't proof of anything. There is no way around doubt for someone who does not even trust his own experience.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
Saint, I told you that these folks would need concrete proof. An experience is what they need. It seems man (and woman) need to shown signs and wonders. What better way than a visit from an eternal? I know, it is a really painful lesson, but think about it. And pray I suppose too...lol. We have a whole generation of doubters the divine nature of God and believers in themselves and their "gods" even as Elijah dealt with the worshipers og Baal.

I'm sorry, I cannot justify the provoking of wrath to "quicken" someone's proof in God and putting them in danger of be taken early by the enemy. I agree an experience would help. I'll offer one peacefully, to find God without seeing, meeting and running from His enemy. You offer a solution for the more hardened hearts...one like mine was. I will pray for the people here, as I'm sure you do too, but please be very careful and I really truly hope you know exactly what you're doing.

madnessinmysoul, do you want me to address point by point what you had listed, that is would indeed help? Or is OneGodJesus more right than me here? Don't worry about sparing my feelings, I'd like you to be straight-up and tell us what you need.


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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
Saint, I told you that these folks would need concrete proof. An experience is what they need. It seems man (and woman) need to shown signs and wonders. What better way than a visit from an eternal? I know, it is a really painful lesson, but think about it. And pray I suppose too...lol. We have a whole generation of doubters the divine nature of God and believers in themselves and their "gods" even as Elijah dealt with the worshipers og Baal.

okay, so let's just treat me as a doubter, while just not addressing some serious scriptural problems. you don't even acknowledge my evidence, i don't need a sign of wonder, i need someone to explain how a document with as many flaws as the bible is the word of god.

I would pose this question to you. What other document in human history is as complete in its text from an archeological standpoint as the bible? If you look to even Shakespeare, not all of the documents he wrote are complete, yet people quote him in a class around the world every day. Plato, Socrates and for that matter most of what we know as classic literature is fragmented. It is taken as "gospel" by virtually ever student of literature. Why can the Bible be so despised and every exhaustive attempt be made to discredit it when so much has been confirmed by both archeological evidence and experiencial (sp?) evidence in the lives of those who earnestly follow the teachings of peace? If you compare it to the other "holy" works it is about as violent and the old testement but not the new. It is a new dispensation, one of grace. I honestly need not defend the Word, it speaks for itself and needs no defense. But I find that if you think to discredit something you must understand it first by reading it and following its teachings for awhile for yourself. It is the old "know thy enemy" thing. I have followed a few religions and the only one that satisfies my soul and fills the void is the Bible. As to the summoning of demons or devils...well I'll admit that while it is a dangerous activity in itself, you can have authority over them (not to say power over them in and of yourself) by the name of Jesus if you believe and are sealed in that Name. I will back off the "you need to summon a demon to believe thing" because I know that some here will try and not believe and reap the whirlwind results. I will say only this in parting, whether you choose to believe it it or not, you WILL worship (worship=put before everything else as a priority) something in life. I believe God has made a hollow only He can fill in our lives. If you worship yourself in the form of exercise or sports, you will get old and wrinkly eventually and won't look as attractive as you did early on in life. If you worship money, then you have your reward. If you worship a false god, you will find that it doesn't fill that hollow in times of trouble. If you worship nothing and just coast through life, you will have accomplished nothing both physically and spiritually and at the end of your days have felt a wasted life behind. OneGodJesus out.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
I would pose this question to you. What other document in human history is as complete in its text from an archeological standpoint as the bible?

You're joking right?

The Bible gets things right occasionally, but why would that be amazing in the least, considering it genuinely is ancient.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
I would pose this question to you. What other document in human history is as complete in its text from an archeological standpoint as the bible? If you look to even Shakespeare, not all of the documents he wrote are complete, yet people quote him in a class around the world every day.

I find your comparison between The Bible and Shakespear's work both interesting and accurate, since both are works of fiction with historical references and influences.

There's something we all have to understand. While our knowledge of Alexander The Great comes from a book written well after the fact, the book has been deemed to be factually accurate because the things that could be checked via archaeology have shown elements of the book to be true.

The Bible is different than any other historical work ever discovered and ever to be discovered. You see, while historical texts are considered true after a few elements that can be checked turn out to be true, the Bible has to go the opposite way. It's the one exception to the historical text rule, in that everything in the Bible is false until you can prove it to be true.

Why? You get to decide that.

I trust us internet junkies (myself included) know the difference between Television and Video Games, so here's how I'll try to approach it in addition to what JJ just said above:

Television (typical history books) - They're interesting to sit there and watch, to see what happened and learn the interactions of the characters on the screen.

Video Games (Bible) - Not only do you have the benefit of seeing what's happening, but you're a living and integral part of it. You can use your enviroment to progress, and affect the things around you by using the tools it equipts you with. In being a part of that experience, you learn though interaction how the characters and enviroment works.

Now before we get into a side-discussion on why this is a lousy examply because I'm talking about fictional things , whereas history books and the Bible are real, please consider for a moment the parallel as it was intended: Passive Interaction versus Active Interaction. I suppose Spock wouldn't get this because using one's imagination can be "highly illogical" but please consider the possibilities, not just the data (or lack thereof) that the environment is spoon-feeding us.

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EyesOfTheFuture and spamandham, this is for you via the web sorry for the cut and paste but I cannot type all this without a lot of blood spurting out my hands...lol:

The discovery of the Ebla archive in northern Syria in the 1970s has shown the Biblical writings concerning the Patriarchs to be viable. Documents written on clay tablets from around 2300 B.C. demonstrate that personal and place names in the Patriarchal accounts are genuine. The name "Canaan" was in use in Ebla, a name critics once said was not used at that time and was used incorrectly in the early chapters of the Bible. The word "tehom" ("the deep") in Genesis 1:2 was said to be a late word demonstrating the late writing of the creation story. "Tehom" was part of the vocabulary at Ebla, in use some 800 years before Moses. Ancient customs reflected in the stories of the Patriarchs have also been found in clay tablets from Nuzi and Mari.

The Hittites were once thought to be a Biblical legend, until their capital and records were discovered at Bogazkoy, Turkey. Many thought the Biblical references to Solomon's wealth were greatly exaggerated. Recovered records from the past show that wealth in antiquity was concentrated with the king and Solomon's prosperity was entirely feasible. It was once claimed there was no Assyrian king named Sargon as recorded in Isaiah 20:1, because this name was not known in any other record. Then, Sargon's palace was discovered in Khorsabad, Iraq. The very event mentioned in Isaiah 20, his capture of Ashdod, was recorded on the palace walls. What is more, fragments of a stela memorializing the victory were found at Ashdod itself.

Another king who was in doubt was Belshazzar, king of Babylon, named in Daniel 5. The last king of Babylon was Nabonidus according to recorded history. Tablets were found showing that Belshazzar was Nabonidus' son who served as coregent in Babylon. Thus, Belshazzar could offer to make Daniel "third highest ruler in the kingdom" (Dan. 5:16) for reading the handwriting on the wall, the highest available position. Here we see the "eye-witness" nature of the Biblical record, as is so often brought out by the discoveries of archaeology.

Campaign into Israel by Pharaoh Shishak (1 Kings 14:25-26), recorded on the walls of the Temple of Amun in Thebes, Egypt.

Revolt of Moab against Israel (2 Kings 1:1; 3:4-27), recorded on the Mesha Inscription.

Fall of Samaria (2 Kings 17:3-6, 24; 18:9-11) to Sargon II, king of Assyria, as recorded on his palace walls.

Defeat of Ashdod by Sargon II (Isaiah 20:1), as recorded on his palace walls.

Campaign of the Assyrian king Sennacherib against Judah (2 Kings 18:13-16), as recorded on the Taylor Prism.

Siege of Lachish by Sennacherib (2 Kings 18:14, 17), as recorded on the Lachish reliefs.

Assassination of Sennacherib by his own sons (2 Kings 19:37), as recorded in the annals of his son Esarhaddon.

Fall of Nineveh as predicted by the prophets Nahum and Zephaniah (2:13-15), recorded on the Tablet of Nabopolasar.

Fall of Jerusalem to Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon (2 Kings 24:10-14), as recorded in the Babylonian Chronicles.

Captivity of Jehoiachin, king of Judah, in Babylon (2 Kings 24:15-16), as recorded on the Babylonian Ration Records.

Fall of Babylon to the Medes and Persians (Daniel 5:30-31), as recorded on the Cyrus Cylinder.

Freeing of captives in Babylon by Cyrus the Great (Ezra 1:1-4; 6:3-4), as recorded on the Cyrus Cylinder.

The existence of Jesus Christ as recorded by Josephus, Suetonius, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, the Talmud, and Lucian.

Forcing Jews to leave Rome during the reign of Claudius (A.D. 41-54) (Acts 18:2), as recorded by Suetonius.

There are more than 16 fragments and one nearly complete copy of the Sumerian King List found at different places at different times. The first fragment was discovered in the temple library at Nippur, Iraq, at the turn of the century and was published in 1906. The most complete copy, the Weld-Blundell prism, was purchased on the antiquities market shortly after World War I and is now in the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford, England. For a thorough discussion of the Sumerian King List and its Biblical implications, see "The Antediluvian Patriarchs and the Sumerian King List," by Raul Lopez, in the CEN Technical Journal 12 (3) 1998, pp. 347-57

In Jerusalem today, there are two sites claiming to be the location of the tomb of Jesus: the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and the Garden Tomb. The Garden Tomb was identified as the tomb of Jesus only in the late 1800s and lacks historical credibility. A long tradition going back to the first century, however, maintains that Jesus' tomb is at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City of Jerusalem. In the 4th century, Constantine supposedly located the tomb site beneath a second century Roman temple. He constructed a church over it. This church has been restored and maintained over the centuries ever since. It is today shared by six faiths: Latin Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Armenians, Syrian, Copts and Ethiopians.

Caiaphas was high priest for 18 years, A.D. 18-36. He most likely gained the position by marrying the daughter of Annas, head of a powerful high-priestly clan (John 18:13). Caiaphas is infamous as the leader of the conspiracy to crucify Jesus.

At a meeting of the religious leaders, Caiaphas said, "It is better for you that one man die for the people than the whole nation perish" (John 11:50). He was referring to the possible intervention of the Roman authorities, if Jesus' teaching should cause unrest. His words were prophetic in that Jesus did die for the people, all the people of the earth, as a sacrifice for sin.

After He was arrested, Jesus was taken to Caiaphas' house and detained overnight. The guards mocked and beat Him (Luke 22:63-65). In the morning He was interrogated and further beaten. Caiaphas asked Him, "Are you the Christ (Messiah), the Son of the Blessed One?" "I am," Jesus replied (Mark 14:61-62). Caiaphas then handed Jesus over to Pilate to be tried.

Following Jesus' crucifixion, Caiaphas continued to persecute the early church. He brought the apostles before the religious leaders and said to them, "We gave you strict orders not to teach in this Name. Yet you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and are determined to make us guilty of this man's (Jesus') blood." Peter and the other apostles replied, "We must obey God rather then men" (Acts 5:28-29).

The Caiaphas family tomb was accidentally discovered by workers constructing a road in a park just south of the Old City of Jerusalem. Archaeologists were hastily called to the scene. When they examined the tomb they found 12 ossuaries (limestone bone boxes) containing the remains of 63 individuals. The most beautifully decorated of the ossuaries was inscribed with the name "Joseph son of (or, of the family of) Caiaphas." That was the full name of the high priest who arrested Jesus, as documented by Josephus (Antiquities 18: 2, 2; 4, 3). Inside were the remains of a 60-year-old male, almost certainly those of the Caiaphas of the New Testament. This remarkable discovery has, for the first time, provided us with the physical remains of an individual named in the Bible.

Caesar Augustus

A great politician and administrator, Augustus ruled the Roman empire from 27 B.C.-A.D. 14. It was Augustus who issued the census decree that brought Mary and Joseph to Bethlehem, where Jesus was born (Luke 2:1-7). Augustus erected for himself a grand mausoleum in Rome, on the east bank of the Tiber River, one quarter mile northwest of the Roman Forum. The remains exist today in the middle of the Piazza Augusto Imperatore.

It was 285 feet in diameter and 143 feet high, surmounted by a statue of the emperor. His ashes were placed in an urn in the center, while those of other members of the dynasty were place in urns in a corridor around a central cylinder. Although some of the urns were found in place by excavators, the ashes had long since disappeared.


An inscription was found on the Mount of Olives in 1931 dating to the first century A.D. which reads, "Here were brought the bones of Uzziah, King of Judah – do not open." Evidently, because of his leprosy.

Other sites mentioned in the Bible and found by archeologists.

The palace at Jericho where Eglon, king of Moab, was assassinated by Ehud (Judges 3:15-30).

The east gate of Shechem where Gaal and Zebul watched the forces of Abimelech approach the city (Judges 9:34-38).

The Temple of Baal/El-Berith in Shechem, where funds were obtained to finance Abimelech's kingship and where the citizens of Shechem took refuge when Abimelech attacked the city (Judges 9:4, 46-49).


The pool of Gibeon where the forces of David and Ishbosheth fought during the struggle for the kingship of Israel (2 Samuel 2:12-32).

The Pool of Heshbon, likened to the eyes of the Shulammite woman (Song of Songs 7:4).

The royal palace at Samaria where the kings of Israel lived (1 Kings 20:43; 21:1, 2; 22:39; 2 Kings 1:2; 15:25).

The Pool of Samaria where King Ahab's chariot was washed after his death (1 Kings 22:29-38).

The water tunnel beneath Jerusalem dug by King Hezekiah to provide water during the Assyrian siege (2 Kings 20:20; 2 Chronicles 32:30).

The royal palace in Babylon where King Belshazzar held the feast and Daniel interpreted the handwriting on the wall (Daniel 5).

The royal palace in Susa where Esther was queen of the Persian king Xerxes (Esther 1:2; 2:3, 5, 9, 16).

The royal gate at Susa where Mordecai, Esther's cousin, sat (Esther 2:19, 21; 3:2, 3; 4:2; 5:9, 13; 6:10, 12).

The Square in front of the royal gate at Susa where Mordecai met with Halthach, Xerxes' eunuch (Esther 4:6).

The foundation of the synagogue at Capernaum where Jesus cured a man with an unclean spirit (Mark 1:21-28) and delivered the sermon on the bread of life (John 6:25-59).

The house of Peter at Capernaum where Jesus healed Peter's mother-in-law and others (Matthew 8:14-16).

Jacob's well where Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman (John 4).

The Pool of Bethesda in Jerusalem, where Jesus healed a crippled man (John 5:1-14).

The Pool of Siloam in Jerusalem, where Jesus healed a blind man (John 9:1-4).

The tribunal at Corinth where Paul was tried (Acts 18:12-17).

The theater at Ephesus where the riot of silversmiths occurred (Acts 19:29). - See picture at top

Herod's palace at Caesarea where Paul was kept under guard (Acts 23:33-35).

Ok now that that is done let me ask a few questions about your unbelief.

How do you explain the high degree of design and order in the universe, without God?

How do you account for the vast archaeological documentation of Biblical stories, places, and people that I have mentioned?

How can anyone doubt the reliability of Scripture considering the number and proximity to originals of its many copied manuscripts found to be very accurate?

Even without an "organized" religion how do you explain humanity's universal moral sense?

If man is nothing but the random arrangement of molecules, what motivates you to care and to live honorably in the world?

If Jesus' resurrection was faked, why would twelve intelligent men (Jesus' disciples) have died for what they knew to be a lie?

How do you explain the fact that a single, relatively uneducated and virtually untraveled man, dead at age 33, radically changed lives and society to this day?

Isn't it somewhat arrogant to suggest that countless churches and people (including men like Abraham Lincoln) are all radically in error in their view of the Bible?

How do you account for the origin of life considering the irreducible complexity of its essential components?

Why does the Bible alone, of all of the world's 'holy' books, contain such detailed prophecies of future events?

Is it possible that your unbelief in God is actually an unwillingness to submit to Him? This is probably the case because men (and modern women) are stiff necked and rebellious.

That is a lot to chew on. So chew away.










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Originally posted by OneGodJesus
Documents written on clay tablets from around 2300 B.C. demonstrate that personal and place names in the Patriarchal accounts are genuine.

Big whoop. I could write down a bunch of names and places from the past 1000 years and get it right too.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
The Hittites were once thought to be a Biblical legend, until their capital and records were discovered at Bogazkoy, Turkey.

The books are genuinely old. No-one is arguing against that.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
Many thought the Biblical references to Solomon's wealth were greatly exaggerated. Recovered records from the past show that wealth in antiquity was concentrated with the king and Solomon's prosperity was entirely feasible.

Now it's entered the domain of wild speculation. We do have archaeological evidence regarding Solomon, and the reports of his wealth were greatly exagerated in the Bible. He was a minor king. [Finkelstein and Silberman, The Bible Unearthed]

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
Fall of Nineveh as predicted by the prophets Nahum and Zephaniah (2:13-15), recorded on the Tablet of Nabopolasar.

This of course starts by concluding that such a fall was written of before it happened, yet we know the OT was penned in the 7th century BCE.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
The existence of Jesus Christ as recorded by Josephus, Suetonius, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, the Talmud, and Lucian.

None of these were contemporaries, and even Christian scholars admit Josephus' record was tampered with in the lone paragraph regarding Jesus.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
That is a lot to chew on. So chew away.

Unforunately, much of it's crap as I just demonstrated.

If you want to know about real Biblical archaeology and not just selections intermixed with speculation and specious argument, read Finkelstein and Silberman, "The Bible Unearthed"

Originally posted by Tassadar
People can't stand the Christian worldview because it makes perfect sense, but it require brokeness, the elmination of pride.
Most people just aren't willing to cast down their pride and take that step of faith and say, "God, I need you".

No, it makes sense to you. And what is there to make sense of anyway? Jesus strolling around performing miracles? Where is the proof? Just because it makes sense to you that dosen't make it real. Lord Of The Rings makes sense but you don't see me searching for Mordor. Harry Potter makes sense but I don't keep an eye out for Hogwarts.

Originally posted by junglejake

The Bible is different than any other historical work ever discovered and ever to be discovered. You see, while historical texts are considered true after a few elements that can be checked turn out to be true, the Bible has to go the opposite way. It's the one exception to the historical text rule, in that everything in the Bible is false until you can prove it to be true.

Why? You get to decide that.

ok, i will. all accounts of alexander the great regard a timespan of no more than 50 years. also, a few accounts of alexander the great were written while he was alive, hell, most of them were. we have historical proof that a judean by the name of jesus was crucified, however, we have no accounts of anything he actually did outside of the bible.

also, the bible is an anthology of books, so you have to prove each one of them.

finally, some things are physically implausible. EXAMPLE? jonah stopping the sun in the sky.
first off, the sun doesn't move around the earth, therefore jonah would've had to stopped the rotation of the earth around it's axis. that would probably cause at the least a noticeable effect on all populations of the world, and would've been recorded.
second, if the sun stopped in the sky in one place, then it happened around the world, and there would also be a written record to correspond with that in another place in the world.

also, saint4god, i would like both you and onegodjesus to explain them to me. i like having multiple people explain things, because sometimes one person knows how to explain it in a more easy to understand way.

saint4god, onegodjesus, explain away.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
we have historical proof that a judean by the name of jesus was crucified,

I'd be interested in a reference for this. I'm certainly not aware of any such proof despite an unprecedented effort to recover some. If there was a historical figure behind the Jesus character, nothing is known of him, and perhaps never will be.

It's like trying to figure out who the historical Easter Bunny was.

Originally posted by spamandham

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
Documents written on clay tablets from around 2300 B.C. demonstrate that personal and place names in the Patriarchal accounts are genuine.

Big whoop. I could write down a bunch of names and places from the past 1000 years and get it right too.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
The Hittites were once thought to be a Biblical legend, until their capital and records were discovered at Bogazkoy, Turkey.

The books are genuinely old. No-one is arguing against that.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
Many thought the Biblical references to Solomon's wealth were greatly exaggerated. Recovered records from the past show that wealth in antiquity was concentrated with the king and Solomon's prosperity was entirely feasible.

Now it's entered the domain of wild speculation. We do have archaeological evidence regarding Solomon, and the reports of his wealth were greatly exagerated in the Bible. He was a minor king. [Finkelstein and Silberman, The Bible Unearthed]

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
Fall of Nineveh as predicted by the prophets Nahum and Zephaniah (2:13-15), recorded on the Tablet of Nabopolasar.

This of course starts by concluding that such a fall was written of before it happened, yet we know the OT was penned in the 7th century BCE.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
The existence of Jesus Christ as recorded by Josephus, Suetonius, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, the Talmud, and Lucian.

None of these were contemporaries, and even Christian scholars admit Josephus' record was tampered with in the lone paragraph regarding Jesus.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
That is a lot to chew on. So chew away.

Unforunately, much of it's crap as I just demonstrated.

If you want to know about real Biblical archaeology and not just selections intermixed with speculation and specious argument, read Finkelstein and Silberman, "The Bible Unearthed"

That was the weakest arguement I have yet to read in this forum...

So you have one book and you think it is almightly in its assessment of biblical archeology? That is pretty lame. Try again.

please acknowledge my earlier post with the references to certain flaws that i believe i have found in the bible.

Sorry sorry, busy day today. I'll do my best to get to it shorty.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
So you have one book and you think it is almightly in its assessment of biblical archeology?

That is pretty lame. Try again.

Am I the only one who finds that ironic?

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
That was the weakest arguement I have yet to read in this forum...

So you have one book and you think it is almightly in its assessment of biblical archeology?

That is pretty lame. Try again.

That "one book" is a summary of decades of findings by archaeology that pertain to the Bible. I don't expect you to show enough interest to actually crack it open. That takes effort, whereas cutting and pasting from apologetic websites for third party references that fallaciously support your position is easy.

Do you at least recognize that the claim you posted regarding Solomon is pure speculation supported by nothing at all? Do you also at least recognize that the author provided no substantiation whatsoever that
the "prophecies" regarding the fall of Ninevah were made before it fell? Why intermix speculation and assumption with a list of archaeological facts (assuming there are not factual errors in his list)? The answer is obvious.

Originally posted by OneGodJesus
Why can the Bible be so despised and every exhaustive attempt be made to discredit it .... . . . . . . . . . follow the teachings of peace?

Their fear.

Every individual who reads the bible is also co-responsible for how they choose to integrate the information within the bible, and how they choose to impliment such wisdom in their own lives.

find me 1 "negative" emotion that doesn't exist because of fear.

What motivates you? Fear of what could be lost? Striving for a positive?

Most people's motivation is fear of fear. If this is not true, then explain the actions and behaviors of people, nations, a planet. From the smallest to the largest actions and behaviors become causes and effects, and when you see peoples' causes then you are the affect.


Point I'm trying to stress (relentlessly) is your state of mind does both. It sets you free, and it constrains your own truths, buried away in your subconscious is a way to all the experiences, all of them.

So, it is easy, so very easy, to see how the bible could be the book of life to some, the book of dead to others, and the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden. Just because your conscious mind found an answer to one question, does not mean the answer is the only right answer, and sometimes the answer itself becomes the question.


Peace,
John Paul