The Anti-Christian conspiracy

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
satanism could just be a conspiracy against selflessness or decency, and not against any specific religion promoting those (or other similar) values.

Do people who prefer chocolate really form a conspiracy against vanilla? If you take that approach, could you not also argue that those who love vanilla are conspiring against chocolate?

A conspiracy is more than just a group of like minded people gathering together. It's also more than a group of people gathering together for the express purpose of mocking and annoying some other group they find offensive.

Satanists are not secretive about what they are doing, nor is anything illegal generally going on, thus, there is no conspiracy in that regard.

The baby sacrifices, ritual murders, etc., are urban legend.

I haven't really read this entire topic properly so I'm sorry if I repeat anything someone has already said.

First of all I don't have a hatred of Christianity I just don't believe in it nor do I not believe in any other religion. I was born a Christian, I was baptized, my family are true Christians but I'm not. I have done all the religious education at school I done quite well on my GCSE R.E. exam as well but I just don't believe. I respect everyones belief if you believe that is fine with me I don't make fun of it that is what you believe. I have actually read the entire bible twice but still nothing I can't grasp the fact that there is a god up there I'm not sure why I just can't.

I don't have hatred towards christianity but its been pretty much forced upon me all my life by my parents and friends who constantly go on and talk to me about it when I'm just not interested. In school when I was FORCED to pray even though I didn't want to and if I didn't I was suspended for a week (Surely it is your choice). I'm not sure about this but the impression I get is in America if something on TV or Radio is considered Anti-Christian then it is protested until it is taken of TV (I'm not sure about this so please correct me if I'm wrong). Also some christians I have met such as priests or 'extreme' christians if you don't believe the impression you get is your not worthy its like they don't even respect other peoples beliefs. I think thats where some of the hatred might come from or I might be the only one who thinks like that.

Just because someone disagrees doesn't mean it is hate speech and all of a sudden it is a massive conspiracy against your religion people have a choice and entitled to believe what they want whether you like it or not. Although I still admit there is some hatred.

[edit on 15-12-2005 by Mikomi]

Originally posted by spamandham
Do people who prefer chocolate really form a conspiracy against vanilla? If you take that approach, could you not also argue that those who love vanilla are conspiring against chocolate?

Those conspiring against chocolate are those conspiring against chocolate, no more, no less. Truth be told, no assumptions, conclusions or accusations.

Originally posted by spamandham
A conspiracy is more than just a group of like minded people gathering together. It's also more than a group of people gathering together for the express purpose of mocking and annoying some other group they find offensive.

Very good. As I've said, criteria met. And it's a whole lot more than just "mocking and annyoing people". Are you telling me the upsidedown cross a Satanist uses has no relationship to Christianity? My Satanic friend said differently, and proudly too I might add.

Originally posted by spamandham
Satanists are not secretive about what they are doing, nor is anything illegal generally going on, thus, there is no conspiracy in that regard.

The baby sacrifices, ritual murders, etc., are urban legend.

In some cases this is true. Not all cults practice human sacrifice. In rare cases some Satanists are not secretive. The friend I've mentioned was one of those rare exceptions that I'd learned quite a bit from.

I'm not going to reveal the name of the source, though I didn't want anyone to think this is just me and my experiences. There's some very interesting information here for those who wish the education and deny ignorance. I've omitted things that are unnecessary detail:

First, there are several denominations of Satanism. ...you'll find some members who claim to practice Satanism simply to attack Christians, while others call anarchy "Satanism". The anarchy concept is the one readers of the "Satanic Bible" believe in; it's not a worship Satan type message. Then, there's the true worshippers of Satan. I never believed that actually existed until I met someone who was part of a Satanic coven and had actually sacrificed her own child in a ritual to move up in the church. That floored me a bit, but you'll have a very hard time convincing anyone that that actually takes place.

This is not from a website with an agenda. This is from me and a friend talking one on one about our experiences.

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wait, saint that didn't clarify anything. i don't see this propaganda you speak of, or any negative influence by these supposed satanists.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
wait, saint that didn't clarify anything.

Perhaps someone else can provide the detail you're looking for.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i don't see this propaganda you speak of, or any negative influence by these supposed satanists.

In some respects I'm grateful, in others I'm concerned. Hopefully it doesn't take a "trial by fire" as I had to go through to discover these truths.

i just want you to provide evidence of "satanic propaganda" that is being used in the supposed conspiracy against christianity.

Originally posted by saint4God
Very good. As I've said, criteria met. And it's a whole lot more than just "mocking and annyoing people". Are you telling me the upsidedown cross a Satanist uses has no relationship to Christianity?

No, I believe it is a direct offense at Christianity. In order for Satanism to count as a conspiracy against Christianity, it seems they would have to be trying to destroy Christianity using underhanded means. If you could show they've somehow been getting judges into place or something like that, then you've got a conspiracy. But just gathering together asking Satan to fulfill their desires with an upside down cross in the room is hardly a conspiracy.

Originally posted by spamandham
Not all cults practice human sacrifice.

Do you know of any that do, or any that ever have?

I'm not a proponent of Satanism, but I do believe there's a lot of false information being spread. The Satanists themselves are probably the ones spreading the false information to add shock value.

I'm not saying that absolutely human sacrifice never happens, but I do believe groups that claim to be doing that are probably being watched by law enforcement. If they really were doing it, surely some would have been busted by now. Who knows? You might even get a visit from the FBI as a result of your post.

Originally posted by spamandham
No, I believe it is a direct offense at Christianity. In order for Satanism to count as a conspiracy against Christianity, it seems they would have to be trying to destroy Christianity using underhanded means.

Criteria met.

Originally posted by spamandham
If you could show they've somehow been getting judges into place or something like that, then you've got a conspiracy.

What good are judges compared to the power of Satan? You think judicial power can contend with the powers of the dark lord?

Originally posted by spamandham
But just gathering together asking Satan to fulfill their desires with an upside down cross in the room is hardly a conspiracy.

The symbol is a representation, not all they are. I don't want to go into all they are, I'm not a recruiting service for them. On the contrary.

Originally posted by spamandham
Do you know of any that do, or any that ever have?

Yes. Perhaps 2, but the 2nd is speculative. I also know of one that does not.

Originally posted by spamandham
I'm not a proponent of Satanism, but I do believe there's a lot of false information being spread. The Satanists themselves are probably the ones spreading the false information to add shock value.

Hehe. What does that tell you?

Originally posted by spamandham
I'm not saying that absolutely human sacrifice never happens, but I do believe groups that claim to be doing that are probably being watched by law enforcement. If they really were doing it, surely some would have been busted by now. Who knows? You might even get a visit from the FBI as a result of your post.

Doubt it. My information is a little out of date to go chasing people down right now. Nor would they take my words for it. I know the cults keep their eyes on law enforcement as much or maybe more than the other way around.

Originally posted by Mikomi
I haven't really read this entire topic properly so I'm sorry if I repeat anything someone has already said.

First of all I don't have a hatred of Christianity I just don't believe in it nor do I not believe in any other religion. I was born a Christian, I was baptized, my family are true Christians but I'm not. I have done all the religious education at school I done quite well on my GCSE R.E. exam as well but I just don't believe. I respect everyones belief if you believe that is fine with me I don't make fun of it that is what you believe. I have actually read the entire bible twice but still nothing I can't grasp the fact that there is a god up there I'm not sure why I just can't.

[edit on 15-12-2005 by Mikomi]

You must read the Bible with an eye to the sky. If you try and use man's logic it doesn't make complete sense. It is like you are getting half of the picture. If you have the Holy Ghost (Jesus) in you guiding you, He will open your mind to the Word. The other thing is do not struggle with the Word to your own destruction.

Originally posted by Mikomi
I don't have hatred towards christianity but its been pretty much forced upon me all my life by my parents and friends who constantly go on and talk to me about it when I'm just not interested. In school when I was FORCED to pray even though I didn't want to and if I didn't I was suspended for a week (Surely it is your choice). I'm not sure about this but the impression I get is in America if something on TV or Radio is considered Anti-Christian then it is protested until it is taken of TV (I'm not sure about this so please correct me if I'm wrong). Also some christians I have met such as priests or 'extreme' christians if you don't believe the impression you get is your not worthy its like they don't even respect other peoples beliefs. I think thats where some of the hatred might come from or I might be the only one who thinks like that.

Originally posted by Mikomi

Try living in a muslim state, where if you even think of worshipping another god (or anything besides allah) you are either maimed or killed.

Originally posted by Mikomi
Just because someone disagrees doesn't mean it is hate speech and all of a sudden it is a massive conspiracy against your religion people have a choice and entitled to believe what they want whether you like it or not. Although I still admit there is some hatred.

[edit on 15-12-2005 by Mikomi]

While I agree live and let live, let me say it works both ways right now. Secular humanism is pushing its version of world history and evolution is just as much in our face too. We must answer the questions put to us both directly and indirectly by society that challenge our beliefs.

Originally posted by junglejake
Christianity is the one true religion, and no one comes to the Father except through the Son.

Ahhh...and now we return to the true reason for this raging emotional debate - you are trying to monopolize G-d and we are not going to allow that to happen. We're happy to share and hope you find your peace in your beliefs but, wars have been fought and lots of people have died because of the attitude you just exemplified by this statement. But, you can believe that for yourself if you like - just don't start trying to make laws and change society around statements that basically say "it's my G-d; he's in our club and you can't share him unless you join our club". For many, those are "fightin' words"! For me, I just hope you come to realize that G-d is far too big for you to contain him in your box. Pray for wisdom.

Therefore, if you are actively working against Christ and the salvation He provided, you are a supporter of Satan, or a Satanist.

By that definition...Well, Al, I have bad news...It's not just a hand full, and you're a member.

I find this remark deeply offensive and you should be ashamed of yourself! I do not work actively against Christianity just because I do not believe in it. I am in no way a Satanist and your accusation demands an apology, sir!

If this is how you show your Christian love, then you should never be surprised at the backlash that is sure to come! Absolutely disgraceful and inexcusable!

Again, pray for wisdom, I beseech you.

I feel Al has a point here in that there's not much good in drawing lines in the sand saying you're either on this side or you're the enemy. In that line of thinking JJ, you and I are ex-Satanists. (Though you may have a strong case against me) I don't think either of us signed up as members of that club, hm?

I don't believe Christianity is claiming God as their own Al, I think God gave a criteria and we're either to accept it or reject it. What label you go under is not a requirement of John 3:16. I've been ultra-curious about Messianic Jews and would like to talk to more of those sisters/brothers, because I have a feeling I'll be seeing them again.

Pray, train, study,
God bless.

satan seems less threatening than hollywood communists in the macarthy area of you ask me. he's simply part of the fire and brimstone fear tactics used to scare people into following christianity.

also, can we stop deeming people satanists and damning them to eternal suffering if they don't change their beliefs? its just a tiny bit rude...

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
satan seems less threatening than hollywood communists in the macarthy area of you ask me. he's simply part of the fire and brimstone fear tactics used to scare people into following christianity.

Whateva, I've met him, so I know betta. That was before I knew God.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
also, can we stop deeming people satanists and damning them to eternal suffering if they don't change their beliefs? its just a tiny bit rude...

I agree. Hopefully you've seen none of that from me.

i still see no evidence of a satanic conspiracy in the world, or any other conspiracy to overthrow christianity. where is this evidence?!?!?!?!

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i still see no evidence of a satanic conspiracy in the world,

And therefore does not exist?

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
or any other conspiracy to overthrow christianity. where is this evidence?!?!?!?!

What is it you wish me to produce as evidence? The bodies? Details on the fire ritual? Or schedule of events and what they entail? None of which are going to convince you, so rather than search for the negative (which is both dangerous and very depressing), how about looking for God? He'll explain what you need know.

i don't care what the evidence is, any evidence would do. a conspiracy big enough to even attempt to overthrow an all powerful divine force would have some sort of paper trail.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i don't care what the evidence is, any evidence would do. a conspiracy big enough to even attempt to overthrow an all powerful divine force would have some sort of paper trail.

Yep, Satan keeps receipts. The master of lies and deceptions "missed a spot" and shall now fire his accountant.

www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

Nope! No conspiracy here, move along



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satan and god don't exist. if god did exist, god could simply wipe satan out of existence. so why would god have created satan in the first place, knowing what satan would do?

i still don't understand how one antigang pamphlet mistake = satanic conspiracy.

also, what types of messages would satanic conspirators want us to follow?

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
satan and god don't exist. if god did exist, god could simply wipe satan out of existence. so why would god have created satan in the first place, knowing what satan would do?

Good question. I believe it was a test of will.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i still don't understand how one antigang pamphlet mistake = satanic conspiracy.

I edited it and put in the details, please check again.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
also, what types of messages would satanic conspirators want us to follow?

That Satan isn't a bad guy after, is misunderstood, that Christianity is evil and unfair, that we should be self-empowered and do the things that feel good to us. There's more, but that's a good start.

Use multiple sources and cross-reference calendars.

www.angelfire.com...

www.stewwebb.com...

Different cults may have different calendars but you can see the similarities and practices.


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