The Anti-Christian conspiracy

Why do people hate Christianity and Christians? Because they seek something, a perfect religion and when an established religion like Christianity can't provide it, they hate it.

Religion is a trend for most people, so is anti-religion. It's cool to be an atheist spitting at a religion. It's like a young hottie laughing at an an old dude driving a pinto.

Bad analogy....slow brain.

Originally posted by saint4God
By all means continue, you're proving the point without me having to say anything. Hey, you guys wouldn't happen to be working together would you? It's the same names I see on many threads discussing Christianity.

I just showed The Bible talking about putting women who practise magic to death and condemning anyone to death who sacrifices to a different god. Sure, these are in the OT, but the 10 commandments, Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark etc, all happened in the OT and those are seen as true/valid. I don't get why God says 'thou shalt not murder', but turn the page and you read something on moral and religious laws about 'putting women who practise magic to death'.

You're quick to judge people around here and call them Anti-Christian. Matter of fact, The Bible has plenty of things in that show they were Anti-anything-that-doesn't-conform-with-their-beliefs. This is why the crusades happened, and the slaughtering of American natives when foreigners arrived, because they were reading from the OT, and acting out what they thought was God's will. Thankfully, we're slightly more civilised today.

Then again i'm probably just being Anti-Christian.

Originally posted by chickeneater
Why do people hate Christianity and Christians? Because they seek something, a perfect religion and when an established religion like Christianity can't provide it, they hate it.

Religion is a trend for most people, so is anti-religion. It's cool to be an atheist spitting at a religion. It's like a young hottie laughing at an an old dude driving a pinto.

Bad analogy....slow brain.

Because some people were forced into Christianity, and the majority of ATS religion are Christians. Others just think it is nonsense, they look at science for all their answers.
I am a Christian, I understand why Atheists dis-like religions, and I respect it. I think we can all live side by side in harmony, but in order to do that we must stop pushing each other away.

Originally posted by chickeneater
Why do people hate Christianity and Christians? Because they seek something, a perfect religion and when an established religion like Christianity can't provide it, they hate it.

...i think people only hate christians based on the content of their character... at least from the atheist side. i haven't heard an atheist here attacking christian people, only the christian religion.

and no, atheists attacking christianity isn't about looking for the perfect religion... it's about lack of proof for the claims

Religion is a trend for most people, so is anti-religion. It's cool to be an atheist spitting at a religion. It's like a young hottie laughing at an an old dude driving a pinto.

Bad analogy....slow brain.

yeah... very bad. especially since, in america at least, atheists are the least trusted minority group...
they're also the group that 55% of the american population would actively vote against were they seeking political office.

Originally posted by shaunybaby
I just showed The Bible talking about putting women who practise magic to death and condemning anyone to death who sacrifices to a different god. Sure, these are in the OT, but the 10 commandments, Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark etc, all happened in the OT and those are seen as true/valid. I don't get why God says 'thou shalt not murder', but turn the page and you read something on moral and religious laws about 'putting women who practise magic to death'.

"It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law," Jesus replied." - Mark 10:5

Anyone post-Jesus has no business killing people.

"Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called "uncircumcised" by those who call themselves "the circumcision" (that done in the body by the hands of men)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility." - Ephesians 2:11-16

Not a different God, but a new promise. Man made promises then broke them in the Old Testament. The New Testament is where God makes an unending promise to us. This is the difference between the old and the new.

Originally posted by shaunybaby
You're quick to judge people around here and call them Anti-Christian.

Again not I, as I have only quoted what is already written about who is and is not Christian.

Originally posted by shaunybaby
Matter of fact, The Bible has plenty of things in that show they were Anti-anything-that-doesn't-conform-with-their-beliefs. This is why the crusades happened, and the slaughtering of American natives when foreigners arrived, because they were reading from the OT, and acting out what they thought was God's will. Thankfully, we're slightly more civilised today.

The crusades were about royal families sending off heirs they did not to receive their throne to war. Relgion was the convenient excuse, not the true reason. I've already quoted the proofs for this, so I'm not sure what the need is for repetition.

Originally posted by shaunybaby
Then again i'm probably just being Anti-Christian.

At least you have a stance. Having a stance means to me at least you care. Many people do not. I was Anti-Christian myself for some time, so I understand where many are coming from. My opinion is you're not Anti-Christian. If you were, you wouldn't be asking good and real questions. Rather, you'd probably copy and paste from www.thebiblesucks.com and call it a day.


[edit on 16-9-2007 by saint4God]

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Why do people hate Christianity and Christians? Because they seek
...i think people only hate christians based on the content of their character... at least from the atheist side.

I think for a lot of people you may be right, even though many times it sounds indistinguishable from hate for the Christian themselves.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
i haven't heard an atheist here attacking christian people, only the christian religion.

I have, but perhaps to others it looks like an attack on the Christian religion. I can see it the same way regarding ATS though, becaue nobody really knows anyone else here on a personal level. To want to kill a Christian however (because of beliefs), it doesn't have to be personal.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
and no, atheists attacking christianity isn't about looking for the perfect religion... it's about lack of proof for the claims

Understandable. Though not to be confused that there is no proof. God is very personal. The proof you'd receive from Him no one else would believe. It is intentionally so.

[edit on 16-9-2007 by saint4God]

Yes, science! Give people more science! Not more ignorance.

Religion teaches ignorance by claiming itself as the truth to all things. Christianity claims it is the truth and threatens eternal torture when questioned. That is a form of tyranny and ignorance some of us are against.

There is no conspiracy against christianty. Some of us choose not to follow it and know its many flaws. Why should your religion get any special treatment?

I will respect the christian religion only when it can withstand the most basic scientific standard of evidence: VERIFIABILITY. Until then, your magical books, magical prophets, magical dragons, magical angels, magical wizards, and magical supreme beings will be considered a work of fiction. It will be categorized and lumped with other works of fiction like Santa Claus, Hercules, Thor and the tooth fairy.

Question everything, Deny ignorance! Knowledge in pursuit of truth. This is ATS after all.

Originally posted by simonmagus
Yes, science! Give people more science! Not more ignorance.

I agree and am glad I'd chosen it as a profession.

Originally posted by simonmagus
Religion teaches ignorance by claiming itself as the truth to all things.

Not all religions. There are some that believe in "close enough" and "all roads lead to the same end". It is true that Christianity does not ascribe to this.

Originally posted by simonmagus
Christianity claims it is the truth and threatens eternal torture when questioned. That is a form of tyranny

How is it tyranny if you don't believe there's a hell?

Originally posted by simonmagus
and ignorance some of us are against.

What part is ignorance? After identifying, please validate how it is ignorance.

Originally posted by simonmagus
There is no conspiracy against christianty.

There is and I'd spent many pages discussing who, what, where and why. Care to address any of those points? Or is it just easier to slap down your sentence like its 'gospel truth'?

Originally posted by simonmagus
Some of us choose not to follow it and know its many flaws.

Such as?

Originally posted by simonmagus
Why should your religion get any special treatment?

Other religions are neither my concern nor the topic of this thread.

Originally posted by simonmagus
I will respect the christian religion only when it can withstand the most basic scientific standard of evidence: VERIFIABILITY.

It has passed the validation tests I have put against it. What attempts have you made to verify it?

Originally posted by simonmagus
Until then, your magical books, magical prophets, magical dragons, magical angels, magical wizards, and magical supreme beings will be considered a work of fiction. It will be categorized and lumped with other works of fiction like Santa Claus, Hercules, Thor and the tooth fairy.

I can accept that many cannot believe what they don't see. I used to be one of them. But after research answers are received. I've never been in a college class where someone said "I dare you to teach me something!" and the student learn anything.

Originally posted by simonmagus
Question everything, Deny ignorance!

That's what Paul says *nods*

Originally posted by simonmagus
Knowledge in pursuit of truth.

Also Biblical.

Originally posted by simonmagus
This is ATS after all.

Indeed it is. Glad to have you here Simon the sorcerer.

reply to post by saint4God

How is it tyranny if you don't believe there's a hell?

Rejection from heaven and immortality can be a form of punishment.

There is and I'd spent many pages discussing who, what, where and why. Care to address any of those points? Or is it just easier to slap down your sentence like its 'gospel truth'?

Ok, it takes a party of 2 or more to form a conspiracy. Unfortunately, I can’t be 100% sure..so ya got me. I concede. However, people have the right and obligation to attack any idea that proclaims itself as the truth while demanding blind obedience.

Such as?

That, my friend, can fill a whole book. Should I start with God’s chosen people? (the 144,000 Israeli virgin males) or the promise of immortality & buildings made of gold in heaven?

Personally, I would prefer the Koran’s 72 virgin females. Yeah baby!

It has passed the validation tests I have put against it. What attempts have you made to verify it?

I researched bible history. What was your method of validation? Please don’t tell me you “felt” god in the bible because I have a quick 30 minute mental exercise that can help you hallucinate into a light bulb.

There is plenty of historical evidence we can look at regarding the parties that compiled the bible (Roman Church & State). There are details such as dates, names and places. The bible was a project undertaken by the Roman government to unify religious teachings. The individuals involved chose which parts of the gospels to reject and add while under political influence. To believe a supreme entity had anything to do with their creation is lunacy. Would you trust a bible made by a politician like George Bush or Bill Clinton?

In addition, when it comes to the story of Jesus, which allegedly raised the dead, walked on water, and ascended into heaven for all to see, we have no independent corroborating evidence. A guy this significant should have left some kind of irrefutable evidence or record. If god’s intention was to notify the world about his presence, he did a poor job.

I like the story of Jesus, he seems like a great guy, but there is nothing substantial that separates him apart from other fictional works.

I've never been in a college class where someone said "I dare you to teach me something!" and the student learn anything.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I have yet to witness anyone copy the alleged miracles of Jesus although he claimed it could be done. I’ve seen examples of psychic powers but never on the scale depicted in the bible and never isolated within a specific belief system.

Glad to have you here Simon the sorcerer.

Thanks. ATS is a great place to be.

reply to post by saint4God

What part is ignorance? After identifying, please validate how it is ignorance.

When someone believes they have a second immortal life in heaven, they usually tend to disregard the life they have now and look forward to a reward that may never come. They spend time and energy towards a deity that likely doesn’t exist while they ignore matters that affects all of humanity. Sometimes, they lose the most powerful link they have with nature and their fellow man.

Their apathy towards the evils of this world is what concerns me. The most common reasoning, ”It’s god’s will”, isn’t going to cut it when our children’s children become slaves and our planet turns into a wasteland. Their apathy is no different than watching a tragic accident and doing nothing to help save the victims.


[edit on 17-9-2007 by simonmagus]

Originally posted by simonmagus
Rejection from heaven and immortality can be a form of punishment.

Indeed it is, but if you don't believe in heaven and immortality then where is the threat?

Originally posted by simonmagus
Ok, it takes a party of 2 or more to form a conspiracy.

Agreed.

Originally posted by simonmagus
Unfortunately, I can’t be 100% sure..so ya got me. I concede.

I'm not out to get anyone, I've always seen ATS as an exploritory experience. Apologies if I'd given the impression it was a race or a game.

Originally posted by simonmagus
However, people have the right and obligation to attack any idea that proclaims itself as the truth while demanding blind obedience.

I'll agree with this too.

Originally posted by simonmagus
That, my friend, can fill a whole book. Should I start with God’s chosen people? (the 144,000 Israeli virgin males) or the promise of immortality & buildings made of gold in heaven?

I would say let's start with the point that's most important to you. I would like to add though, that the chorus of 144,000 is not all that are in heaven. I've had some door-knockers try to claim otherwise, but the Book their holding says the opposite.

Originally posted by simonmagus
Personally, I would prefer the Koran’s 72 virgin females. Yeah baby!

I have reason to believe there will be virgin females in heaven as well. I can support the idea of more than 72. It's the wrong motivation for going to heaven, however, so that may disqualify entry.

Originally posted by simonmagus
I researched bible history.

Good. This will help our future discussions.

Originally posted by simonmagus
What was your method of validation? Please don’t tell me you “felt” god in the bible because I have a quick 30 minute mental exercise that can help you hallucinate into a light bulb.

Uh, what? We can end this conversation if you like. Up until this point, it was looking like a civilized exchange.

Originally posted by simonmagus
There is plenty of historical evidence we can look at regarding the parties that compiled the bible (Roman Church & State). There are details such as dates, names and places. The bible was a project undertaken by the Roman government to unify religious teachings. The individuals involved chose which parts of the gospels to reject and add while under political influence. To believe a supreme entity had anything to do with their creation is lunacy.

Do you have the impression this argument is new information to me?

Originally posted by simonmagus
Would you trust a bible made by a politician like George Bush or Bill Clinton?

No. What reason would I have to do that?

Originally posted by simonmagus
In addition, when it comes to the story of Jesus, which allegedly raised the dead, walked on water, and ascended into heaven for all to see, we have no independent corroborating evidence.

We do, actually, but has been rehashed here a thousand times by people much better versed than I am. No need for me to do it again.

Originally posted by simonmagus
A guy this significant should have left some kind of irrefutable evidence or record.

What is irrefutable evidence or record to you?

Originally posted by simonmagus
If god’s intention was to notify the world about his presence, he did a poor job.

He wasn't trying to notify everyone at the same time apparently. As far as you judging the job he's doing, well, that's a separate issue altogether.

Originally posted by simonmagus
I like the story of Jesus, he seems like a great guy, but there is nothing substantial that separates him apart from other fictional works.

If you study as much history as you say you do, apparently you trust a lot of people you've never met before. Why trust them and not Jesus?

Originally posted by simonmagus
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I can understand this.

Originally posted by simonmagus
I have yet to witness anyone copy the alleged miracles of Jesus although he claimed it could be done.

Would that cause you to suddenly believe?

Originally posted by simonmagus
I’ve seen examples of psychic powers but never on the scale depicted in the bible and never isolated within a specific belief system.

Ah, so not only copying it, but doing so on a mass scale. If you were born 2,000 years ago, then you would've believed? Because you saw?

Originally posted by simonmagus
Thanks. ATS is a great place to be.

Totally

[edit on 18-9-2007 by saint4God]

Originally posted by simonmagus
When someone believes they have a second immortal life in heaven, they usually tend to disregard the life they have now and look forward to a reward that may never come. They spend time and energy towards a deity that likely doesn’t exist while they ignore matters that affects all of humanity. Sometimes, they lose the most powerful link they have with nature and their fellow man.

Their apathy towards the evils of this world is what concerns me. The most common reasoning, ”It’s god’s will”, isn’t going to cut it when our children’s children become slaves and our planet turns into a wasteland. Their apathy is no different than watching a tragic accident and doing nothing to help save the victims.

I think this is a valid point . The phrase I like to use for it is "spiritual laziness". This life is important because it's the beginning of an eternal life. Those who sleep through class are going to have a hard time when the final exam gets handed out.

Everything you need to know about why we are so against Christianity and religion is right here:

www.youtube.com...

Pat condel articulates the evangelical agnostic viewpoint almost perfectly.

The bottom line as to the existence of A God:

I don't know and YOU DON'T EITHER.

Sure, I have my doubts every now and then, as does every Christian. However, I know God is real because he said so. To throw it back to the first post... I don't constantly attack and belittle you for what you believe, so why do non Christians feel compelled to constantly combat Christians?

Originally posted by mnmetalfan1
However, I know God is real because he said so.

That's some MAJOR circular reasoning.

How do you know God is real?

A: Because he said so.

Where did he say so?

A: The Bible

How do you know that he really said the stuff that's in the Bible?

A: Because God said he did

Where did he say that he said the things in the Bible?

A: In the bible


If you REALLY just can't see what's wrong with that thinking, then I feel very very sorry for you. You have failed to use the most precious thing God (should he exist) gave you that separates you from the animals (although really it doesn't separate as we learn with more and more research every day).

Originally posted by simonmagus
Personally, I would prefer the Koran’s 72 virgin females. Yeah baby!

Okay, seriously, I've had enough of this one. Who would want 72 virgins? How about 72 goers that could suck the chrome off of a trailer hitch and still have the energy to give you a hands free prostate exam? Although if that were the case you'd get tired from the amount of times you'd have to say, "atta girl!"

Now, as for the original point of the thread. For the most part nobody is conspiring against christianity. I do tend to avoid this topic because it can become a big distraction from happy go lucky tinfoil hatting, however, every now and then I have to throw my ass... I mean, my opinion into the thread.
The atheists, agnostics, new-agers, pantheists, panentheists, and other assorted think-for-themselves types really don't want to hear about any religion anymore. They've moved past that. They're too busy trying to get to their truth, whether that be through science, meditation, or whatever. Now it depends entirely upon their personality as to whether they will actively attack a religion and the people that subscribe to it when they feel the religion and it's followers have overstepped their bounderies.

There, I think I've made my point, and if not, it's 2:20 am, so I have a damn fine excuse.

I have sat and watched this thread...morph...

Is their a conspiracy against religion? By Definition....well:

con·spir·a·cy /kənˈspɪrəsi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-spir-uh-see] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -cies. 1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.

By the numbers..yes..there is a conspiracy against religion.

So regarding the Truth, I think the process is well summed up in this quote..

To men is Truth revealed, according to their capacity to understand and receive.
The One Truth hath many sides, and one seeth one side only, another seeth another, and some see more than others, according as it is given to them.
Behold this crystal: how the one light its manifest in twelve faces, yea four times twelve, and each face reflecteth one ray of light, and one regardeth one face, and another another, but it is the one crystal and the one light that shineth in all.

Behold again, When one climbeth a mountain and attaining one height, he says, This is the top of the mountain, let us reach it, and when they have reached that height, lo, they see another beyond it until they come to that height from which no other height is to be seen, if so be they can attain it.

And that which is seen and received by one, is not seen and received by another. That which appeareth true to some, seemeth not true to others. They who are in the valley see not as they who are on the hill top.

One man will always say black and have followers while the other will say white and he too will have followers. Hence conspiracy. Its really much ado about nothing..The Truth is the truth.

In fact the Bible tells of a Time during the apocolypse, where people still wont get it..there will be much nashing of teeth.

So..we as believers need to realize that there will always be those who are against us who hated him without reason regardless.

Remember, they hated him first, before they hated us...

As Followers of Christ we do not hate

It is my wish that the followers of Christ begin to act like true followers of his ways...No hungry, no homeless, open your eyes in your communities..
regardless of nay sayers and conspirators..

As for the rest..All I can say is knock and it will be open to you


Peace









[edit on 19-9-2007 by HIFIGUY]

Originally posted by mnmetalfan1
I don't constantly attack and belittle you for what you believe, so why do non Christians feel compelled to constantly combat Christians?

To be honest, the vast majority of Christians who have posted in this thread have done so in an almost smug-like fashion. This is not attacking Christianity, and neither am I attacking anyone personally. However, from my perspective this is how some Christians seem to be posting.

The reason for the smugness, it usually comes through when a person is talking about Jesus or God or Truth. And it's normally in the form of:

Person A (Non-Christian): ''I just don't believe in God or Jesus''

Person B (Christian): ''That's okay, when you're ready to believe and find out the Truth, you can, but until then you can just believe in your science if it makes you happy''

I find the majority of Christians on here belittling and condescending when they speak. It's like the rest of us don't know a secret that you know. So you speak to us like we're stupid because we don't believe, or that we're against you because we don't believe. Did you ever stop to think that maybe we're not stupid OR against you?

Perhaps we don't believe because in our minds; virgin births, world wide floods, walking on water, adam & eve etc, just doesn't cut it for us as 'Truth'. That Truth may be okay for you and other Christians, which is fine. Some people refuse to believe that Elvis is dead, there are groups that still believe he's alive and swear blind to it. So the world is not adverse to belief, however Christians are adverse to people who don't believe in what they believe.

I'm not going to lie, ofcourse there are people that hate Christianity, but the same could be said for any subject. Rather than you actually believe there is a conspiracy because it's your personal opinion, in reality it has nothing to do with that. The only reason you think there is a conspiracy is because The Bible says there will be one. And on a board where the moto is deny ignorance, I find it hard to believe why people can come here and just quote from The Bible like it's 100% fact. And on a board where facts play a daily role, Christian threads seem to adopt 'personal belief and personal evidence' over any sort of facts.

We've just seen a few posts back someone saying 'God is real because he said so'. Could you imagine this on other threads?

UFOs are real because I saw one.
UFOs are real because Aliens told me so.
(I wouldn't be surprised if those two above had actually been used)

Evolution is true because I say so.
Man and Ape had a common ancestor because I say so.

That doesn't get us anywhere, and doesn't further our knowledge on the subject. On evolution topics hard evidence is demanded time and time again, and when supporting evidence is posted, it's often refuted. However, a Christian seems to be able to say 'God is real because he told me'. On a board with a moto of deny ignorance, that really has no place, because we're accepting ignorance if we accept that statement.

Originally posted by shaunybaby
The reason for the smugness, it usually comes through when a person is talking about Jesus or God or Truth. And it's normally in the form of:

Person A (Non-Christian): ''I just don't believe in God or Jesus''

Person B (Christian): ''That's okay, when you're ready to believe and find out the Truth, you can, but until then you can just believe in your science if it makes you happy''

I find the majority of Christians on here belittling and condescending when they speak. It's like the rest of us don't know a secret that you know. So you speak to us like we're stupid because we don't believe, or that we're against you because we don't believe. Did you ever stop to think that maybe we're not stupid OR against you?

Well thought out and to the point.

As a person who believes, I myself come under attack by Christians who want to tell me " How it is " or " beware of deception " and its almost oppressive in nature.

Shaunybaby is right. The point was made that Christians speak from a standpoint of belittling and if those that are Christians were to dig in their own scripture, you would see that indeed there are warnings of this nature.

What it says basically, is walk upright, do good, and people around you will see and know who you are and perhaps join you as that way would be one of love and gentleness..

Christians and non christians today are reaping what they sow...for it is written, Measure, and you shall be measured by the same mark.

To put things more simply, Perhaps common goals of Christianity, Government, Community and Nations should defined such as my own. All Beliefs aside..
I personally want an end to starvation and homelessness as well as war in the name of greed and power. That I feel that the only way that is going to happen is if the entire planet treats each other as Family.

Its a teamwork thing. The question is the univerasal voice on how we get their.

Everytime the Government gets caught in a lie, that bridge of achievment is burned. The Christian rushes to his faith hoping theres a way out.

Everytime the Christians get out of hand, ( IE, Crusades, Inquisition ), thank god there are people of reason to shut them down.

And every time we have renegades like Pablo Escabar, or Hitler, thank goodness that we have the vision to correct major malfunctions in thinking.

The reason we have strife today, is the right way is not in effect. Only then will their be peace. What is the right way?

In my opinion the only way is Love of all. In Community, In Business, In Government, worldwide.

Treat everyone as though they are someone we love most dear.

That means listening. Caring. Curing, and Giving. Possibly abandoning a political affilliation and adopting one of what is best for all.

If you were to ask me what a good first step would be in America?

Change the political process to where Government office wannabees are broadcast on the net with their views. Take out donations and campaign money, and make it an even playing field.

You dont need millions to run a campaign now days. Youtube and electronic media makes it alot cheaper.

That would remove the power of influence by major corporations, and perhaps democracy could actually work. Think about it.

Read my signature. Sound familiar? A verse not in the Bible..but attributed to Jesus Christ.

Unity, not Division. Love not hate. Peace not war.

This was supposed to be America. America was supposed to be the world, but until America gets it right, even her own message wont be accepted.

Peace


[edit on 19-9-2007 by HIFIGUY]

Originally posted by Irradiatus
Everything you need to know about why we are so against Christianity and religion is right here:

Ah, so you're agreeing there is an Anti-Christian Conspiracy. That's helpful.

Originally posted by Irradiatus
www.youtube.com...

Pat condel articulates the evangelical agnostic viewpoint almost perfectly.

I see, so you're pro-evangelism as well? Last I checked the point of agnosticism was to not be evangelical, rather to ask those who are for proof. *shrug*

Originally posted by Irradiatus
The bottom line as to the existence of A God:

I don't know and YOU DON'T EITHER.

Actually I do. Please don't claim you know what I know.