Corona Virus Updates Part 3

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
a reply to: Power_Semi

This article is about where the virus started. chinese officials have finally admitted that it started in a Lab.

It's a claim that it started in a lab, unless pres Xi comes out and says it then it's just some unknown person making an unsubstantiated claim.

It's not a final admission of anything by any official officals (for want of a better way of putting it).

Experience has taught me that I'm no good at predicting the future and so I remain open to any number of outcomes for the current situation. That being said, I can't get Godzilla by Blue Oyster Cult out of my head! It's become the soundtrack to this thread for me.
"history shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man"

For now I'll keep hoping for the best while preparing for the worst. Be well and stay vigilant!

ok, in the mail it says it MAY have originated in the Lab.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

The true cause of how the coronavirus spread has been revealed by Chinese scientists who have broken cover and said the oubreak started in a science laboratory in Wuhan yards away from a wet market.

They have sensationally spoke *(spoken - poor English - not very good journalists)* out and said the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan was due *(WAS DUE)* to the scientists researching bat diseases and could be *(COULD BE - WAS & COULD BE ARE NOT THE SAME THING)* responsible.

A scientist told how a sick bat attacked the researchers and bled on them and urinated on another *(SERIOUSLY? - IT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE SICK TO HAVE THE BAT VIRUS - BUT IT BLED AND WEE'D ON THEM? LOL)*, they were then forced to quarantine themselves for 14 days *(WHY - WHY 14 DAYS - THATS THE TIME NOW FOR QUAR - HOW DID THEY KNOW BACK THE?)*.

Biologists Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao published a pre-print entitled “The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus.” The report describes how “the killer coronavirus probably *(WAS _ PROBABLY _ MAYBE)* originated from a laboratory in Wuhan.

ETC

It's bad enough already by itself without wanting to evoke space aliens or biological weapons.

In fact for a biological weapon - it's pretty crap isn't it?

I'd want something that spread much faster and killed many more people.

a reply to: Thoughtful1

This thread here.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

So it’s supposedly slowing down now but I don’t see anyone noting the numbers on the cruise ship. If only just over 1000 people have been tested and 355 of those are positive.... that’s a 30% infection rate. And that’s with them being careful. No idea how many are seriously sick... I’ve seen no reports on that. Only that older couple reporting that they’ve seen ambulances coming and going all the time.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Where is a solid web site to get updated numbers on the spread?

The one I was following before has turned kinda bad.

gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com...#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Having kept up with this thread through all three parts, I have a question.

Could this be a two-part infection?

One is the Corona Virus and one is something unknown at least publicly.

This originated in China where there could have been an inoculation, an exposure to a pollutant, or a second virus that by itself makes one sick but not terribly harmful as it doesn’t kill or incapacitate. This happens for months if not years without any real notice.

Now, the Corona Virus mutates somewhere in the world from something like a from of the common cold and something else ether naturally or with human help, this doesn’t matter now because we are only looking to find a way to stop it. Alone this causes the lesser symptoms seen to be like the flu.

We have one part spreading from China, trough contact with Chinese people doing business, this causes the susceptibility in the regions where there are a lot of Chinese visitors, neighboring countries, etc... Again, not noticed other than a possible nuisance.

We have the Corona spreading worldwide and dismissed as the flu. The two meet in Wuhan and both together kill a lot of the people they both infect. This is hidden by the Chinese government for a while but just gets worse. It spreads and is noticed as it is a lot worse than ether part and can kill and incapacitate now.

It gets a name, then another, we end up with COVID19. This is only one part of the condition/disease as it takes both parts to be more than a flu like condition. The world is working on tracking and curing one part but not knowing the other part, we are incapable of stopping it.

This makes it difficult to understand what is going on because everyone is concentrating on one part but it takes both to kill.

Could this be why this is so hard to deal with?

Looks like the CDC is concerned that then CV is and has been in the US to a greater extent the is being reported. The concern is that CV infections could be characterized by either FLU A or B. Nothing like feeling like a Guinea Pig.




Its also telling that when you google CDC flu and corona virus almost all of the results premise is to minimize CV and focus on how bad the normal flu is.

Google search

BBC is stating that even more restrictions are being put on Hubei, including all use of private cars. I didn't think they could have restricted people any more, but there you go.

Coronavirus: China enacts tighter restrictions in Hubei

Scotland has also been praised for it's actions:

Coronavirus: Praise for Scotland's response to outbreak

originally posted by: sirlancelot
Looks like the CDC is concerned that then CV is and has been in the US to a greater extent the is being reported. The concern is that CV infections could be characterized by either FLU A or B. Nothing like feeling like a Guinea Pig.


Its also telling that when you google CDC flu and corona virus almost all of the results premise is to minimize CV and focus on how bad the normal flu is.

Google search

Would it not be more of a case that people who would normally just suffer the flu as usual without bothering to go to the doctor, are now going to the doctor because of all the Corona Virus media coverage? A form of confirmation bias, if you will.

Elton John diagnosed with walking pneumonia, a type of lung infection often caused by bacteria or viruses.

Sure hope he gets tested for corona, just to be safe!

originally posted by: GoldGlobal
Elton John diagnosed with walking pneumonia, a type of lung infection often caused by bacteria or viruses.

Sure hope he gets tested for corona, just to be safe!

If it turns out, and I'm definitely saying "if," he did contract this corona virus, having a celebrity affected by it in any way would cause a lot of people to start paying more attention.

a reply to: beyondknowledge

Could this be a two-part infection?

For a bit of a crash course in immunology here are some lectures from the University of California Television:

Your Immune System 101: Introduction to Clinical Immunology

Basic Immunology: Nuts and Bolts of the Immune System

Immunology 201: Application of the Basic Concepts to People

One thing that stuck out in regards with secondary infections is one complication with the pneumonia vaccination. If it is given twice within two years, significant swelling can occur at the source of injection. This is discussed at the 58 min mark in the third video. I did get me thinking about how the lungs may respond to two cases of pneumonia infection close together and what complications may occur.

A few basics picked up about the immune system:

Cytokines - About 50 types, small chemical messengers. A cytokine storm sounds similar to a 'Denial Of Service' attack with a computer server, too many messages and things stop working properly.

Antigen - Everything the immune system attacks.

Antibody - Designed to latch onto a specific antigen.

B Cell - Makes the antibodies.

T Cells - Organizes the immune response. Can attack antigens, even if hiding in another cell.

Lymph nodes - Where the B and T cells rally and work out how to fight an antigen.

It does get a lot more complicated than this with many other specialized cells to help attack and clean up the mess. As a basic introduction its a start.

a reply to: kwakakev

Thanks for the reply.

I know the immune system is very complicated and I thank you for the links. What I was trying to get at is this is being looked at with a microscope but the answer, at least in part, may be off the slide and no one is looking there.

a reply to: GoldGlobal

the masks we get (3m) aren’t even made there they made in U.K. and Ireland ( I know in Ireland manufacturing facilities are massively automated and people don’t touch medical product during production ( from personal experience as engineer working in factory’s there))

a reply to: 38181

a reply to: Power_Semi

It doesn't have to be a bio weapon for it to have gotten out of a lab. They research dangerous pathogens at labs all over for various reasons and almost none of them have to do with bioweapons research. These bugs are endemic to the bats in China. They know that it's only a matter of time before one of them breaks out like SARS did. They actually do have a legitimate reason to want to research these strains of corona virus quite aside from seeking any kind of bio weapon.

Seeking to understand a thing is the first step to preventing what they may have inadvertently caused. Working to develop treatments, vaccines, etc., all require you to keep highly pathogenic strains on hand so you can test your creations against something for efficacy.

originally posted by: GoldGlobal
Elton John diagnosed with walking pneumonia, a type of lung infection often caused by bacteria or viruses.

Sure hope he gets tested for corona, just to be safe!

I wonder if he has been taking China produced RX medications for his lingering illnesses...

I myself have quit the daily vitamin suppliments I bought from the Walmart drug aisles (the less expensive 'Equate' Walmart store brand)

the 'Naproxin' bottle of 'Equate' brand, I still use as I bought that 200 count bottle 5 + months ago from the same Walmart Drug aisle….and have never felt Antsy about taking the headache med. since the corona outbreak around 1 Feb 2020

Something to consider, China made medicines, or just ingredients...are they pure? un-adulterated?

a reply to: Power_Semi

Unsubstantiated yes, but even the health officials here are hinting at that as well, so it’s definetly looking like that’s the case, they wouldn’t say anything here if something wasn’t know