Corona Virus Updates Part 3

Well, I guess Australia is f#cked.

Government has been spruiking how prepared Australia is to tackle an outbreak here.

I'll give a little story as to how prepared we are.

My Father in Law just returned from a cruise around the South Pacific - only a 12 day cruise, nothing overly exciting happened.

3 days after he got back, he develops a fever that hangs around for about 36 hours, won't break, and he starts having trouble breathing (he does suffer from asthma, but hasn't needed his ventolin for a couple of years).

His daughter (my wife's sister) is a nurse - tells her Mum to get him to emergency, with the current environment around coronavirus and all the protocols they have put in place, they'll admit him straight away, separate him from everyone else and run some tests.

So they traipse down to the local ER, and sure enough, they pop a mask on him and move him away from all the other patients until a doctor can see him.

A few hours later, the doctor pops in, looks down his throat (doesn't even use a tongue depressor, just yells at him to stick his tongue out further), tells him to just try to breathe deeper (He's been breathing for 70 years dude, pretty sure he knows how it works), the doctor pretty much gives him a slap on the arse and sends him home. Tells them to stay home and away from family for a few days and if he gets any worse, go to the local GP.

No XRays, no scans, no blood tests - just a punch on the shoulder with "you'll be right sport", and try not to give "whatever it is" to anyone else.

His daughter is furious, and pretty sure they've broken protocol - she's checking up when her next shift starts.


Now, full disclosure, we're pretty sure it ain't coronavirus (I mean - come on, what are the odds?), but... if that's how they are treating patients with potential exposure risk (VERY recent cruise), and relevant symptoms (persistent fever and breathing difficulties) - well, I go back to my opening statement... if this thing arrives (and I'm pretty sure it will), we here in Aus, are f#cked.


Also, while I'm here - I made a post back on the 4th Feb, where I said I think we were still 6 weeks from this # blowing up around the world (my reasoning was in the post) - a lot were thinking that if we made it to mid Feb without it blowing up, we'd be fine, but I disagreed. Well, we're a touch over 3 weeks and things are starting to heat up - and we are still 3 weeks off my prediction. We'll see what happens - I think if we hit mid march and it hasn't REALLY exploded anywhere else, then I think we're fine, but I'm not feeling a sense of personal security until then. In all honesty I hope you all come back here in 4 weeks and point and laugh at me.... I really do. I'll just sheepishly tell you all to go f#ck yourselves, while I start comfort eating my stocked rations :-)

Peace and stay safe.

originally posted by: Leighthall
Well, I guess Australia is f#cked.

Government has been spruiking how prepared Australia is to tackle an outbreak here.

I'll give a little story as to how prepared we are.

My Father in Law just returned from a cruise around the South Pacific - only a 12 day cruise, nothing overly exciting happened.

3 days after he got back, he develops a fever that hangs around for about 36 hours, won't break, and he starts having trouble breathing (he does suffer from asthma, but hasn't needed his ventolin for a couple of years).

His daughter (my wife's sister) is a nurse - tells her Mum to get him to emergency, with the current environment around coronavirus and all the protocols they have put in place, they'll admit him straight away, separate him from everyone else and run some tests.

So they traipse down to the local ER, and sure enough, they pop a mask on him and move him away from all the other patients until a doctor can see him.

A few hours later, the doctor pops in, looks down his throat (doesn't even use a tongue depressor, just yells at him to stick his tongue out further), tells him to just try to breathe deeper (He's been breathing for 70 years dude, pretty sure he knows how it works), the doctor pretty much gives him a slap on the arse and sends him home. Tells them to stay home and away from family for a few days and if he gets any worse, go to the local GP.

No XRays, no scans, no blood tests - just a punch on the shoulder with "you'll be right sport", and try not to give "whatever it is" to anyone else.

His daughter is furious, and pretty sure they've broken protocol - she's checking up when her next shift starts.


Now, full disclosure, we're pretty sure it ain't coronavirus (I mean - come on, what are the odds?), but... if that's how they are treating patients with potential exposure risk (VERY recent cruise), and relevant symptoms (persistent fever and breathing difficulties) - well, I go back to my opening statement... if this thing arrives (and I'm pretty sure it will), we here in Aus, are f#cked.


Also, while I'm here - I made a post back on the 4th Feb, where I said I think we were still 6 weeks from this # blowing up around the world (my reasoning was in the post) - a lot were thinking that if we made it to mid Feb without it blowing up, we'd be fine, but I disagreed. Well, we're a touch over 3 weeks and things are starting to heat up - and we are still 3 weeks off my prediction. We'll see what happens - I think if we hit mid march and it hasn't REALLY exploded anywhere else, then I think we're fine, but I'm not feeling a sense of personal security until then. In all honesty I hope you all come back here in 4 weeks and point and laugh at me.... I really do. I'll just sheepishly tell you all to go f#ck yourselves, while I start comfort eating my stocked rations :-)

Peace and stay safe.

I think more people are buying stuff just in case. But yes, have the cupboards to where to can't put anything more in them.

a reply to: GlobalGold
From your link:

There is no vaccine for SARS-CoV-2 , and it is extremely unlikely that a vaccine will be will play a role in ending this pandemic. This makes isolation and even mildly effective treatments incredibly important. It is best not to rush to a vaccine with the spiked protein either, because animal studies have shown that animals vaccinated and SARS with a spike protein vaccine have had a high mortality rate. Individuals who have had a past SARS or MERS infection may reasonably be expected to be at increased risk of a serious severe case of COVID-19.

Highlight by me.
Source

a reply to: Oppenheimer67

I think the disconnect a lot of people are experiencing comes from this:

On a personal level, if you get this, unless you have underlying health conditions or are older or both, the odds are very good that this will be nothing you can't handle easily on your own like a typical seasonal illness. You are very unlucky if you need to have medical support to beat it.

On a societal level is where most of us are worried the real disruptions may occur. That's where the danger/disaster lies, and the increased danger for those who will end up unlucky enough to need medical care. That's where the critical questions are:

1. Can we slow it down enough to keep it from overwhelming medical?
2. What measures will we have to take in order for that to happen? And will those measures have the desired effect? (They didn't in Wuhan as far as I can tell.)

a reply to: butcherguy

Since no one in the Western World has had SARS or MERS vaccines, this should not be an issue.

Also, the two vaccines being readied for trial now are not traditional spike protein vaccines, so they may bear some fruit.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: butcherguy

Since no one in the Western World has had SARS or MERS vaccines, this should not be an issue.

Also, the two vaccines being readied for trial now are not traditional spike protein vaccines, so they may bear some fruit.

I wonder if this is why the Chinese have been affected so drastically. Did they vaccinate a large number of their citizens with a SARS vaccine?
There were complaints from the Chinese public about side effects from a vaccine that they were given before the COV 19 epidemic happened.

a reply to: butcherguy

There was also speculation that it hadn't been hitting the kids as hard because they were too young to have been given that round of vaccine.

It might explain Iran too. What if their good friends the Chinese cooked up a MERS vaccine while they were at it?

a reply to: musicismagic

Will do. We just had Mardi Gras so we have [the city not me as I frequent here ] don’t absolutely nothing. It should be warming up here soon as the summers get over 100 F here.

Will do my friend. PM sent.

President Trump will be holding a press conference on coronavirus at 6pm this evening (est).

Just thought I'd post that.

a reply to: butcherguy

Individuals who have had a past SARS or MERS infection may reasonably be expected to be at increased risk of a serious severe case of COVID-19.

I'm wondering if many in China were exposed to these viruses some degree over the years, why they have had more serious effects?

originally posted by: Leighthall
Well, I guess Australia is f#cked.

Government has been spruiking how prepared Australia is to tackle an outbreak here.

I'll give a little story as to how prepared we are.

My Father in Law just returned from a cruise around the South Pacific - only a 12 day cruise, nothing overly exciting happened.

3 days after he got back, he develops a fever that hangs around for about 36 hours, won't break, and he starts having trouble breathing (he does suffer from asthma, but hasn't needed his ventolin for a couple of years).

His daughter (my wife's sister) is a nurse - tells her Mum to get him to emergency, with the current environment around coronavirus and all the protocols they have put in place, they'll admit him straight away, separate him from everyone else and run some tests.

So they traipse down to the local ER, and sure enough, they pop a mask on him and move him away from all the other patients until a doctor can see him.

A few hours later, the doctor pops in, looks down his throat (doesn't even use a tongue depressor, just yells at him to stick his tongue out further), tells him to just try to breathe deeper (He's been breathing for 70 years dude, pretty sure he knows how it works), the doctor pretty much gives him a slap on the arse and sends him home. Tells them to stay home and away from family for a few days and if he gets any worse, go to the local GP.

No XRays, no scans, no blood tests - just a punch on the shoulder with "you'll be right sport", and try not to give "whatever it is" to anyone else.

His daughter is furious, and pretty sure they've broken protocol - she's checking up when her next shift starts.


Now, full disclosure, we're pretty sure it ain't coronavirus (I mean - come on, what are the odds?), but... if that's how they are treating patients with potential exposure risk (VERY recent cruise), and relevant symptoms (persistent fever and breathing difficulties) - well, I go back to my opening statement... if this thing arrives (and I'm pretty sure it will), we here in Aus, are f#cked.


Also, while I'm here - I made a post back on the 4th Feb, where I said I think we were still 6 weeks from this # blowing up around the world (my reasoning was in the post) - a lot were thinking that if we made it to mid Feb without it blowing up, we'd be fine, but I disagreed. Well, we're a touch over 3 weeks and things are starting to heat up - and we are still 3 weeks off my prediction. We'll see what happens - I think if we hit mid march and it hasn't REALLY exploded anywhere else, then I think we're fine, but I'm not feeling a sense of personal security until then. In all honesty I hope you all come back here in 4 weeks and point and laugh at me.... I really do. I'll just sheepishly tell you all to go f#ck yourselves, while I start comfort eating my stocked rations :-)

Peace and stay safe.

Interesting. The odds seemed even smaller for patient 1 in Lombardy (italy) apparently.
For example he had been nowhere near Asia pacific. In fact, first time he went to ER with a fever, he reported that he had been on a business trip to New York and therefore was sent home

The day after he went back to the ER with wife - She remembered a dinner with an individual who had returned from China. Only this false connection triggered testing. It turns out the dinner had nothing to do with covid since the individual was tested for antibodies and he had never contracted the virus

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Oppenheimer67


1. Can we slow it down enough to keep it from overwhelming medical?
2. What measures will we have to take in order for that to happen? And will those measures have the desired effect? (They didn't in Wuhan as far as I can tell.)

Well I think the answer to 1 is: We could have, but now it's very likely impossible for governments to slow it adequately.

2. Initially it could have worked. Nowhere would have had the amount of clusters seen in Wuhan early days.

Quarantine, testing and tracking any inbound international travellers. This could be done for all repatriations, and then at a high cost to those who wish to travel afterwards. This is basically closing all international travel, unless you have extenuating circumstances that might warrant state funded assistance, otherwise big business can still afford it, they'd just need to minimise it and any entourage. Imports could be disinfected too, so the world would keep turning.

This would require a lot of work in every country, but surely better than the possible alternative. - Too late now though for most places.

I think countries have chosen to risk the alternative to avoid being the ones to react alone to something that might just turn out not so bad. It's just the general population that will pay the price should the gamble not pay off. As usual.

originally posted by: Maker22

originally posted by: FinallyAwake

originally posted by: GlobalGold

originally posted by: Kenzo
One more coronavirus tracker :


qap.ecdc.europa.eu...


Any info about the France victim ? Age etc...

A 60-year-old man in Paris has become the first French national to die from the coronavirus, director general of the French health authority, Jerome Salomon, told reporters Wednesday.

via CNN

Was he French Asian by any chance?

I dont know. He died from massive pulmonary embolism while having the virus. Is it related ? I dont know.

Le Parisien

Could be the reason why we saw those people falling in China? Massive PE? Although I havent seen any such videos from elsewhere we are still relatively early doors

a reply to: marshaxt

Thanks for that. Yep, makes me wonder just how widespread this thing is, all the while going undetected.

Pretty sure that's how Wuhan ended up in the state it did.

On the brightside, if it is massively more widespread than we realise, then perhaps the mortality rate is way lower than the 2-3% being bandied around - here's hoping.

originally posted by: Mateo96
Some idiotic family tried to break the quarantine in Tenerife.

metro.co.uk...

Of course, they were put back in the hotel room, they all gotta make quarantine for 14 days even if the test results are negative.

4 cases on Tenerife so far, all of them Italian, one of them is an Italian medic.

Seems like medics and presumably nurses have been fairly hard hit which seems obvious given they are front line and likely had no protection to start with. I wonder how their health system is coping?

New case in toronto. A woman in her 60 who travelled to Iran...

This is the second case imported from Iran in Canada.

They have a lot of case out there

Tva (in french)

Frustrating story in the New York ER: Patient just returned from Italy, bad symptoms, flu tests negative, doctor tries to get #COVID19 test - but not available! And the person just returned from the new outbreak epicenter in Europe. Infuriating

twitter.com...

4 days ago i had to watch CNN for alnost 12 hours for a short 2 minutes story on the virus

Today its the main topic.

IMHO, like with hurricanes in our area, people don't prepare(or panic) until the local news won't shut up about it..

So, the next week or so we are overdue for the general public to catch up to where we are..

Remember, Be Civilized While Denying Ignorance.

The sheep are largely unaware of the events of the last 6 weeks, enlighten people. Mass panic is a quick route to martial law.

originally posted by: checkmeout

originally posted by: Maker22

originally posted by: FinallyAwake

originally posted by: GlobalGold

originally posted by: Kenzo
One more coronavirus tracker :


qap.ecdc.europa.eu...


Any info about the France victim ? Age etc...

A 60-year-old man in Paris has become the first French national to die from the coronavirus, director general of the French health authority, Jerome Salomon, told reporters Wednesday.

via CNN

Was he French Asian by any chance?

I dont know. He died from massive pulmonary embolism while having the virus. Is it related ? I dont know.

Le Parisien

Could be the reason why we saw those people falling in China? Massive PE? Although I havent seen any such videos from elsewhere we are still relatively early doors

I have seen a few videos on twitter of people collapsing in Hong Kong. Posted a link on here a few days ago but it must've been missed. It was also before Hong Kong exploded in confirmed cases.

Spooky, for sure.

a reply to: GlobalGold

That shouldn't be. New York was supposed to be one of three places where they were setting up to test for this thing. I guess they're sticking to the letter of "only contacts from China" or something which would be stupid.