Corona Virus Updates Part 3

a reply to: Agit8dChop

It looks like it’s out of control in China, effects on the economy, are starting to be seen... It is utterly a fiasco, with the so called numbers. The corona virus numbers are wrong.. I hope everyone has figured that out by now. Also appears panic, is setting in in S. Korea.

originally posted by: misfit312
Bno just tweeted this

Iran's health ministry says 'it is possible' coronavirus exists in all Iranian cities; there are currently 18 confirmed cases, 4 dead - Reuters

This is interesting. What kind of relationship does Iran have with China? I'd like to know what line of work the 18 people are in. Nuclear research maybe? There's a conspiracy lurking here somewhere.

originally posted by: Speedmats
Activity in Italy (south of Milan) over last 24 hrs.

ALL citizens advised to stay at home, not just those who have symptoms.

Population circa 15,000 (from one of the tweets, not verified).

www.reuters.com...

twitter.com...

milano.repubblica.it... 1582286654000

So, the infected guy is in intensive care and is only 38 years old.

a reply to: weirdguy

Yeah you’re absolutely right because the same event could happen with certain livestock or even a zoo animal like a primate, they’re used in research to.

That would be a nasty study, unsealed caging, depending on what nation and organization accreditation it could be extremely inhumane. They would definitely need category E approval for a death endpoint of the study and numerous special protocol modifications if they did it here.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: weirdguy

How popular are cats in China. I know they are very popular in other Asian countries, but cats do have similar ACE2. Would it be possible that this thing has been percolating through them and then jumped back to humans?

It's possible I'd guess, SARS-1 is thought to have spilled over from Civets. The report I linked earlier says that MERS jumped from camels to humans a number of times.

a reply to: weirdguy

Cats, ferrets ... they have similar ACE2, so do pigs. But we know China is having trouble with swine. Cats are also possible research animals I suppose.

But I recall an article long ago about how you could be passing your cold back and forth with you cat (as in years and years ago - when I was in high school ago), so I wonder if that could be a possible reservoir too. However, I have no way of knowing if that's even a high possibility. Just because cats are very popular in some Asian countries doesn't mean they are in China.

I just know the paper that was posted last night said some of the mutations observed happened a while ago. Another paper said it was possible this thing has been passing itself around for a while in stuttering outbreaks in China. So it's possible that it has been there for a while in one place or another and just never either jumped to humans or had the proper mutation to pass human to human when it did jump.

A cat population might be one possible reservoir assuming one exists. I doubt vet care is a high priority in China.

Just throwing theories at the wall like stacking cages.

6 cases now in Italy.

250 in Isolation. 15k told to stay at home

milano.repubblica.it...

Saw this while scrolling through the comments on an NHS ad for coronavirus on Twitter
i do believe it as it's so typical of the NHS - lack of resources, slow response

A 14 day wait for results?!? 14! That is shocking.

Replying to
@NHSuk
My sister was "isolated" in her car at a&e last week and waited hours to be tested, whilst feeling unwell with various symptoms. Was told 48 hour wait for results but it's been 5 days - apparently 14 day wait now?She recently flew back from Phillipines via China. NHS prepared!?

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originally posted by: cirrus12
Saw this while scrolling through the comments on an NHS ad for coronavirus on Twitter
i do believe it as it's so typical of the NHS - lack of resources, slow response

A 14 day wait for results?!? 14! That is shocking.

Replying to
@NHSuk
My sister was "isolated" in her car at a&e last week and waited hours to be tested, whilst feeling unwell with various symptoms. Was told 48 hour wait for results but it's been 5 days - apparently 14 day wait now?She recently flew back from Phillipines via China. NHS prepared!?

twitter.com...

Makes you wonder how much backlog there is, or if they're not bothering to run the results at all anymore.

so, just when we thought it was dying down outside China, it suddenly spikes in quite a few country's!

South Korea has seen a big spike, Iran are increasing in cases, Italy just got 6 new cases.

Six Italians have tested positive for the coronavirus in the northern Italian region of Lombardy, a local official said on Friday in the first known cases of local transmission in Italy of the potentially deadly illness. “We have got six cases of coronavirus,” Lombardy councillor Giulio Gallera told a news conference, adding that hundreds of people who had been in contact with the patients were now being tested to see if they had been infected. The first person confirmed to have contracted the virus was believed to have fallen ill after meeting a friend who had recently returned from China. Residents of the northern towns of Codogno and Castiglione d’Adda were being urged to stay at home as medical tests continued.

uk.reuters.com...

S.Korea confirms 100 more cases of novel coronavirus, 204 in total

www.xinhuanet.com...

South Korea on Friday confirmed 100 more cases of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19), raising the total number of infections to 204. As of 4 p.m. local time (0700 GMT), the number of infected patients totaled 204, up 100 from the previous day. The Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) has updated the figure twice a day at 10 a.m. and 5 p.m. local time. Of the total patients, 153 were residents in Daegu, about 300 km southeast of the capital Seoul, and its surrounding North Gyeongsang province. A total of 144 cases were linked to church services in Daegu. The patients attended the same church services. The number of COVID-19 infections rose sharply in just three days, after 20 new cases were reported on Wednesday and 53 more cases reported on Thursday.

I think the one of the worst places you should go to is a place where many people congregate and i can see churches, mosques and other places of worship being a place where this virus can be picked up and spread about, just like on that cruise ship.

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

If it's going to hit in a wave, then, yes, this is what we'll see.

The question is whether or not it will be as bad as it was in China in other countries. And by that I don't necessarily mean will less people get sick, but will the numbers be the same in terms of overwhelming medical systems, will they be able to slow it enough to keep that from happening, will enough cases stay mild to allow most to beat it on their own, etc.?

It will give us a better idea of what to expect going forward for our own countries because I have no doubt it will come here given time.

a reply to: ketsuko

It happened with SARS, the cat spread and they can share the experience for weeks after infection. They were so convinced that domestic cats were spreading it at times, they recommended studies be performed to rule out the ventilation problems in apartment building bathrooms.

Animal-to-Human SARS-associated Coronavirus Transmission?

This finding is similar to that of SARS transmission in humans in which SARS-CoV can be quickly spread from person to person through close contact. Ferrets and domestic cats not only can be infected by SARS-CoV in the laboratory, but also can shed SARS-CoV from the pharynx at 2 days postinfection and continuing through 10 and 14 days postinfection, respectively (1). No clinical signs were observed in six cats that were injected with SARS-CoV, whereas three of six ferrets that were injected with SARS-CoV became lethargic within 2 to 4 days postinfection, and one of the three ferrets died at day 4 postinfection (1,2). This finding indicates that domestic cats may not only be a useful animal model for evaluating vaccine and drugs candidates against SARS (1) but also be good reservoirs of SARS-CoV.

If the transmission of SARS-CoV from animal to human is as easy as that from humans to domestic cats, the speculation that the outbreak of SARS in the Amoy Garden in Hong Kong was caused by environmental sources, such as U-traps in bathrooms contaminated with SARS-CoV, should be reevaluated (3). This outbreak of SARS in these apartments might also be caused by infected cats or other mammalian hosts.

The Chinese seemed to be worried about this type of spread when they started wiping household pets.

a reply to: Oppenheimer67

Yeah I think so too - we have set up coronavirus pods here now - are they being used even?
I am guessing there it is here but we are being kept in the dark.
I don't think the news here in the UK has talked about it much, which in itself is strange because the media usually love to hype things up but we just aren't seeing it. I have been reading here and there online, in less conspiratorial places haha and some people think there could be a 'D' notice in place on reporting about aspects of it
en.wikipedia.org...
With the amount of travel between the UK and China, i find it hard to believe we have no new cases.

Can anyone help me decipher which Pandemic stage we are currently at based on official numbers?



(source: en.wikipedia.org...#/media/File:WHO_pandemic_phases.png)

Thanks in advance!

Stage 5 maybe? It seems "well-adapted" to humans at this point...

a reply to: weirdguy

Thanks to linking to those genetic reports, Going to take a while to make any sense of it though, like learning another language. Good to know these resources are available.

Coronavirus update from Chinese in China.Release date of citizen reporter Cheng QiuShi陳秋實陈秋实Wuhan)


For some good news out of Wuhan it does look like the numbers of new cases are dropping and some of the movement restrictions are lifting and some shops opening. Reporting of movements, temperature and wellness feelings going on to keep track of virus movements. Cheng QiuShi is still in quarantine and hopefully out soon. The State media does have a lot of support in the country with a small growing culture looking for more accurate reporting.

COVID19 - Wuhan - First time to walk outside in 3 days.


Another resident makes it to the shop after being locked up for 3 days.

a reply to: FamCore

Based on that definition it looks like a 5-Plus to me, I don’t like their definition, I feel like they need 1 or 2 in between 5 and 6 or a few different pandemic stages .

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: weirdguy

Cats, ferrets ... they have similar ACE2, so do pigs. But we know China is having trouble with swine. Cats are also possible research animals I suppose.

But I recall an article long ago about how you could be passing your cold back and forth with you cat (as in years and years ago - when I was in high school ago), so I wonder if that could be a possible reservoir too. However, I have no way of knowing if that's even a high possibility. Just because cats are very popular in some Asian countries doesn't mean they are in China.

I just know the paper that was posted last night said some of the mutations observed happened a while ago. Another paper said it was possible this thing has been passing itself around for a while in stuttering outbreaks in China. So it's possible that it has been there for a while in one place or another and just never either jumped to humans or had the proper mutation to pass human to human when it did jump.

A cat population might be one possible reservoir assuming one exists. I doubt vet care is a high priority in China.

Just throwing theories at the wall like stacking cages.

Here is a report about cats producing antibodies to human alpha-coronavirus and porcine coronavirus. Not the same as SARS-cov-2 which is beta-coronavirus, but shows that it can happen.

www.mdpi.com...

Although reports are lacking regarding the natural infection of these two viruses in cats, HCoV-229E
was shown to cause a priming effect of FCoV antibody in experimentally FCoV infected cats suggesting that infection occurred. Therefore, the detection of antibodies against S1 of HCoV-229E in a portion of the cats might be specific and due to the exposure to HCoV-229E through daily interaction with humans.

originally posted by: TheAMEDDDoc
a reply to: FamCore

Based on that definition it looks like a 5-Plus to me, I don’t like their definition, I feel like they need 1 or 2 in between 5 and 6 or a few different pandemic stages .

Thank you - in my non-medical background I'm surprised I was even close (based on the WHO definition anyway).

You're a great contributor for this thread