Corona Virus Updates Part 3

originally posted by: Rich Z

originally posted by: KTemplar

I saw an oriental man at the market 2 weeks ago, and the whites of his eyes were all red.

I wash my hands constantly, but it got me thinking, who knows what this guy touched; or the people who left the cruise in NJ touched.

Yeah, the wife and I did some grocery shopping today. We declined to buy any fresh produce. We only wanted food items that are pre-packaged. Actually bought a LOT of canned goods.

I'm sure you have watched people in the produce sections handling everything to check for freshness and blemishes. How long would this virus live on something like, say a tomato skin? Or on an apple? Yeah, we wash off the fruits and vegetables, but is that enough? Doesn't do your decontamination procedure much good if you wash your hands like crazy when you get home, but you just do a casual rinse off of a grape and pop it into your mouth, now does it?

I like your post: Very thoughtful with a lot of common sense insight. Although one thing: never buy pre-packaged stuff that has been cut for salads. DON'T. If you did, I'd recommend throwing it away. Fresh vegetables should be fine, at least the ones you can cook.

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
Just to clarify:

The 780 cases yesterday on this graph includes the cases on the cruise (yesterday cases outside China was 425, with 355 on cruise ship, so 780).

So what's the jump today? Gone up to 1.3k


Edit: Starting to edge back toward this just being a mistake. Looks like they may have added total for Japan (including the cruise) to this data twice. Will keep an eye to see if it is corrected. Can't find any sources for large number of new cases outside China.

Looks to me that this is an old graph from several days ago. What I see today looks like the graph is leveling off considerably. Are you looking at a cached image of that page?

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: ketsuko

we dont learn from the past, I fully expect everything to proceed as normal till one of the dirty cities has it rip through them, and then some truly despicable people will try to use the suffering politically.

If it starts ripping through Congress, I would bet things would change THEN!

a reply to: puzzlesphere

Sigh, technically this is the least form of friction between governments for population control, which in order to survive on our planet is a necessity. I digress, it may make sense to all of us at the moment not effected by this. Not to take away from the pander, of ats but the reality at the moment is almost 2000 people have died, humans fathers,uncles, mothers maybe even son’s daughters have died, and chances are that number is probably lower than reality. The other concern with letting a novel virus just run wild is mutation, not taking away from the fact we know very little of this virus, already or the long term effects or why the mortality rate is so much higher in wuhan.

I personally would hope, we as a species could come together and try to beat this virus, but I am not naive, China, won’t allow the WHO IN wohan, and who knows maybe China has the cure, and is waiting for all of us to get sick to do nefarious things. Ya it may work, it’s never been done before. I digress.

Our job now is to be prepared hope for the best, be ready for the worst... Dont be a lemming and deny ignorance, this may be the test of our generation.

Please note this update: Chinese media reported one patient was diagnosed with #coronavirus 42 days after returning home from Wuhan.

“Such a long incubation period would undoubtedly present a larger challenge to the whole public health effort,” infectious disease specialist Dr. William Schaffner said.

Didn't know how to include this:

originally posted by: fleabit




The 24 days is an outlier, not the normal incubation period, which on average, seems to be 4 or so days. I wish people would stop using extremes to try and define the situation. 24 days would be absolute worst case, and there have probably been very few of those.



Well heck, even at just 4 days of incubation with asymptomatic spreading of a virus that can survive up to 9 days on objects is quite bad enough, thank you very much. This quite enough to give most people severe heartburn thinking about it.

a reply to: Rich Z

The similarities they found exist in lots of other diseases too. It was a small enough sequence that there was plenty of chance for commonality.

This virus does not target immune cells and the immune system like HIV does.

Additionally, this is an entirely different class of virus.

Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this yet. But the UK usually posts weekly flu updates during the flu season.
Each update has come out weekly on a Thursday as per normal, but there hasn’t been an update since the 30th of January from what I can see.

Link below shows this: www.gov.uk...

Unusual for them not to post it. I wonder if there has been an increase and don’t want to say?

Don’t know if this was covered, apologies if so...

Even with protective gear... “On Friday, a fire department employee who had helped with patient transport from the Diamond Princess cruise ship quarantined at Yokohama tested positive, despite having worn protective gear.”

Twitter

Link to Nikkei inside tweet.

Double post

This isn’t the post you’re looking for.

Move along, move along.

originally posted by: GlobalGold
GoldGlobal back - couldn't log back in, so new acct

I'm wondering...How many care-givers, meaning Doctors, nurses, etc. catch the flu from patients? They don't wear full hazmat gear, like people treating corona virus cases, but they don't seem to catch it? Something's missing here with the transmission of this

Check your old account again. This site hoses up like clockwork around 10 after every hour.

a reply to: Bicent

So how do you quarantine a city effectively and humanely and maintain a steady flow of manufacturing and distribution of things like toilet paper?

In all of this, I haven't seen an inkling that we can do it based on all of our social frictions... we fail at multiple levels (personal, financial, governmental, social, etc...), and it just leads to some portion of the population having executive power over others of the population (... and we all know how that turns out...)... the worst of which, early decisions and policies are being made on likely inconclusive data.

So do we just let our governments have the power to detain people indefinitely in the name of the greater good? Who's deciding what the greater good is and based on what data?

The mortality rate (according to thewuhanvirus.com...) has been going up over the past few weeks - I mentioned in Part #2 that it was just over 2% something like 10 days ago, then over the course of 3-4 days went up to 2.47%. Now it's at 2.55%

I know we're taking these numbers with a grain of salt BUT this suggests TPTB are trying to slow-drip the reality of it so the public won't panic as much.

a reply to: puzzlesphere

I believe the first thing coming to mind is wrong, when it comes to trying to understand it. This to me is one of the greatest puzzles I have ever had to try to figure out. My advice worry about yourself those, you love and be prepared. The only ones that will have this story right, will be those writing the history books.

a reply to: puzzlesphere

They have already done the math,if it was young healthy people dying the response would probably be drastic and sudden
but because it's the older and compromised individuals that are MOST affected it maybe considered acceptable,dare i say welcome.
sad but true.
project baby boomers

Has anyone else offered a thought as to why western Guv health services think this is such a yawner outside China?
I see the member below was quick to respond before i had a chance to complete
Are the doctors not dealing with increased and sometimes sustained exposure? yes they are

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: puzzlesphere

They have already done the math,if it was young healthy people dying the response would be drastic and sudden
but because it's the older and compromised individuals it's considered acceptable,dare i say welcome.
sad but true.

As far as im aware the doctors and nurses that are dying are NOT old and infirm

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ketsuko
People don't understand that we're still mostly helpless in the face of viruses.

Disagree.

IV Ozone therapy will deactivate virtually all viruses, including this one.

The problem is, it is cheap, and not patentable, so it will take some kind of miracle to get hospitals to ever use it.

So is this something that the average person can DIY? If so, how? And where to get a device or parts to build it? Also some links would be helpful if something like this would be a worthwhile weapon against this threat.

I know a lot of people are saying that so far from what they can see outside of China, this isn't something to be concerned about. But my spider sense is tingling. Things have gone REAL bad REAL fast in China, and I think it would be foolish to think this is something that is just going to ignore the rest of the world, and all everyone else will get is just the sniffles for a week or three. I believe there is another shoe to be dropped. Probably would be a real good idea to be preparing for it, at least modestly, just in case. Just because governments are treating us like mushrooms is no real good reason to BE a mushroom.

IMHO.

I digress with my speculations and theory, I am not a fear monger but this has my attention. Lemme get some links to post for the eve.

one of the Japanese doctors has contracted it now

twitter.com...

Over 500 doctors have been infected in Hubei

They’re wearing two layers of protection goggles so tight there leaving bruises

What the hell does it take to not get infected?

It seems the only save way to be around this virus is indeed in a lvl 4 bio lab in full bio suits

Just crazy really when you think about it

a reply to: SailorJerry

No, but they are overworked and exhausted which does compromise your immune system and wear you down making you more susceptible to infection and severe illness.

a reply to: TritonTaranis

SARS, its closest cousin, is only a BSL level 3 organism.