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Our Suns Binary and Spiritual Second Sun (Coverup)

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posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: Astronomer62

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: TzarChasm

Here are the princples. I can make strong correlations between them and modern physics.



The stuggle in part is as I said because we are culturally trained to use a religion (sceince) that only deals with the esoteric.

If all is mind as the hermetic principle states then to understand the universe and what it is we need to re develop tools to deal with esoteric.


All is mind :-)





Your kemetic principles are strongly reminiscent of the Greek elements that reduced all of matter to 4 basic shapes that government reality (5 shapes if you include ether). There is truth in the concepts you have shared here but it is a very rough sketch that persists in adapting arcane studies to fill in the blanks, much like Ptolemy once did. Granting anthropomorphic qualities to the heavenly bodies and dividing geology according to the worlds of mortals and deities, designating elements in honor of mythology, etc. Alchemy is not science.


Plato could have been right about the fifth element which is the Golden Ratio and can be shaped as a Pentagram or dodecahedron:-
www.sciencedaily.com...


It's still superstition masquerading as cosmic 3D printing, aka common sense algebra that is idolized because naturally math can't exist without being invented first. Kind of like how potholes have to be engineered before water can fit in them yeah?



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 11:19 PM
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a reply to: purplemer
those images depict the electromagnetic toriodal energy field that surrounds every particle and every body of matter that exists in this playing field. imo



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 11:20 PM
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originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Astronomer62

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: TzarChasm

Here are the princples. I can make strong correlations between them and modern physics.



The stuggle in part is as I said because we are culturally trained to use a religion (sceince) that only deals with the esoteric.

If all is mind as the hermetic principle states then to understand the universe and what it is we need to re develop tools to deal with esoteric.


All is mind :-)





Your kemetic principles are strongly reminiscent of the Greek elements that reduced all of matter to 4 basic shapes that government reality (5 shapes if you include ether). There is truth in the concepts you have shared here but it is a very rough sketch that persists in adapting arcane studies to fill in the blanks, much like Ptolemy once did. Granting anthropomorphic qualities to the heavenly bodies and dividing geology according to the worlds of mortals and deities, designating elements in honor of mythology, etc. Alchemy is not science.


Plato could have been right about the fifth element which is the Golden Ratio and can be shaped as a Pentagram or dodecahedron:-
www.sciencedaily.com...


It's still superstition masquerading as cosmic 3D printing, aka common sense algebra that is idolized because naturally math can't exist without being invented first. Kind of like how potholes have to be engineered before water can fit in them yeah?


Math wasn't invented, it was discovered



posted on Feb, 9 2020 @ 11:47 PM
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originally posted by: cherokeetroy

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Astronomer62

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: TzarChasm

Here are the princples. I can make strong correlations between them and modern physics.



The stuggle in part is as I said because we are culturally trained to use a religion (sceince) that only deals with the esoteric.

If all is mind as the hermetic principle states then to understand the universe and what it is we need to re develop tools to deal with esoteric.


All is mind :-)





Your kemetic principles are strongly reminiscent of the Greek elements that reduced all of matter to 4 basic shapes that government reality (5 shapes if you include ether). There is truth in the concepts you have shared here but it is a very rough sketch that persists in adapting arcane studies to fill in the blanks, much like Ptolemy once did. Granting anthropomorphic qualities to the heavenly bodies and dividing geology according to the worlds of mortals and deities, designating elements in honor of mythology, etc. Alchemy is not science.


Plato could have been right about the fifth element which is the Golden Ratio and can be shaped as a Pentagram or dodecahedron:-
www.sciencedaily.com...


It's still superstition masquerading as cosmic 3D printing, aka common sense algebra that is idolized because naturally math can't exist without being invented first. Kind of like how potholes have to be engineered before water can fit in them yeah?


Math wasn't invented, it was discovered


It's nice to agree on something 👍



posted on Feb, 10 2020 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: TzarChasm

wait -- what ? We agree? Maybe I need to go rethink my response :-D



posted on Feb, 10 2020 @ 01:40 AM
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Hi Cherokee Troy,
Science can change it's mind, and the link below is hardly proven, and will take many years yet to fully know:-
physicsworld.com...
I wonder if Plato was right?
en.wikipedia.org...

"It's still superstition masquerading as cosmic 3D printing, aka common sense algebra that is idolized because naturally math can't exist without being invented first. Kind of like how potholes have to be engineered before water can fit in them yeah?"

"Math wasn't invented, it was discovered"
edit on 10-2-2020 by Astronomer62 because: Edit.



posted on Feb, 10 2020 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: Astronomer62

have you heard of E8?





posted on Feb, 11 2020 @ 12:42 AM
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a reply to: cherokeetroy
I have heard of E8 and read about it, however most of my insight in numbers has been Phi (Golden Ratio) and the fractal Mandelbrot Set, if you scroll down link below to approx. 6th thread section and then onwards you can see some of my work, you may want to look at next page:-
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Feb, 12 2020 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: Astronomer62

that is a lot of useful information. I've also been looking at the Fibonacci Sequence..wondering if there's any correlation between the Golden Spiral and the way we move through spacetime (or the way it moves through us). Or if there's any correlation between the spiral and the evolution of consciousness into higher life forms...eternally spiraling up and expanding.

There's another sequence of numbers I've been looking at...1 2 3 6 12 24 48 96...similar to the Fib.Seq, each succeeding number is the sum of what comes before. The difference is that the Fib numbers are comprised of the 2 preceding numbers.

In this other sequence, each number is comprised of all the preceding numbers. So each new number encompasses all the numbers that came before. And if you look for the pattern...when the digits of each number is combined then combined, again (ex: 96 is 9+6= 15. 15 is 1+_5= 6) ... the pattern is 3 6 3 6 alternating repeatedly. And of course, when you add 3 + 6, you get 9. 3, 6, 9

I tried searching for more info about this sequence but I didn't really find anything. If it's graphed out, I wonder if it would take the form of a spiral like the Fib Seq or if it would appear more like a ripple in water

Something else I've been thinking about is the Yin Yang symbol---the balance between dark/light in a paradigm of duality,

But I've been thinking about the aspect of the two colors--black & white--and how they function. Black absorbs, white reflects. Another way to think about it is that black pulls back and white projects forth.

And then apply that idea to Black Holes and White Holes...what if black holes are portals to the past and white holes are portals to the future?

Now apply this idea to the human vessel. The human body has "black energy"(it absorbs light) and it has "white energy" (it reflects light). Our bodies absorb, reflect and refract light. We have crystalline particles/structures in our brain, our bones, our cells and our DNA. These crystals act as prisms that refract light which creates this 3D holographic projection

The light that we absorb (black hole energy) contains data that is 'transported' to timelines in the past. These timelines are spliced and shifted and then that corrected data is transported back to us in present time which is the light that we reflect (our mirror image) and refract (our reality). The past is always being shifted to match our Now (present moment) in order to create the future

This all happens at the quantum level as the past, present and future exist simultaneously. But we receive the corrected codes in waves that coincide with our linear time construct



posted on Feb, 13 2020 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: purplemer
Great thread very knowledgable I’m curious about the cover up! I’m led to believe the site of Gobekli Tepi was intentional buried in ancient times have you any idea why the ancients would do this?



posted on Feb, 13 2020 @ 10:16 AM
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Veryt glad you like the thread. I will still add stuff to it when I have time.


In my opinion Gobekli Tepi may have been buried with intention as to preserve knoweldge for a later date. If you are interested in this site you may find this article of intrest.

Gobekli Tepe and its Potential Connection to The Vedic Culture





In Pillar 43, if you look closely at the bottom of the pillar, you can see the bird carrying a headless being with a penis (perhaps symbolizing a male deity). To me, the bird is being represented as a mount, just like Garuda. Garuda is also a solar deity who is sometimes ascribed as a charioteer to the Sun god. In the sculpture, the bird is holding a circular object and if this should represent the Sun, then this pillar may strongly depict the Vedic deity, Garuda.


medium.com...@gauthamvreddy/gobekli-tepe-and-its-potential-connection-to-the-vedic-culture-c36af1ead657

In respect to cover up I believe this knowledge in known about in certain circles and kept out of every day teaching and learning. The more I look the more evident this becomes.





posted on Feb, 13 2020 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: purplemer




Confessions of a Dissident Astronomer


Oh dang, the drama! The ego! Impressive.



I think this star has both a deep esoteric (essatoric/ issateric function and an a deep exoteric function too.


That esoteric baby went under the bus, Baby! Let's enjoy the irony in that for now. lol.
Thing is, I can't see a tangible exoteric function beyond the more general possibility of thermodynamic miracles happening all the time, ya know...




“Thermodynamic miracles... events with odds against so astronomical they're effectively impossible, like oxygen spontaneously becoming gold. I long to observe such a thing.
And yet, in each human coupling, a thousand million sperm vie for a single egg. Multiply those odds by countless generations, against the odds of your ancestors being alive; meeting; siring this precise son; that exact daughter... Until your mother loves a man she has every reason to hate, and of that union, of the thousand million children competing for fertilization, it was you, only you, that emerged. To distill so specific a form from that chaos of improbability, like turning air to gold... that is the crowning unlikelihood. The thermodynamic miracle.

But...if me, my birth, if that's a thermodynamic miracle... I mean, you could say that about anybody in the world!.

Yes. Anybody in the world. ..But the world is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that they become commonplace and we forget... I forget. We gaze continually at the world and it grows dull in our perceptions. Yet seen from the another's vantage point. As if new, it may still take our breath away. Come...dry your eyes. For you are life, rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of Heisenberg; the clay in which the forces that shape all things leave their fingerprints most clearly. Dry your eyes... and let's go home.”

Alan Moore, Watchmen

But Sirius?
C'mon!

Seriusly?
Ok. Oookay. Ooookaaaay.

*slowly backs out of a different kind of Q-thread*




posted on Feb, 13 2020 @ 06:48 PM
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Hello purplemer, thank you for inviting me to comment on your thread.

First, I'd like to say hello to Astronomer62. (Doing well, I hope?)

On page 2, Gothmog asks for a reason why you bring Freemasonry's Blazing Star symbol into your discussion of Sirius.




[purplemer:] Sirius the Black sun of the occult or the Blazing sun of the freemasons.

[Gothmog:] Why bring freemasons or the occult into this ?


A caveat: Freemasons counter the claim that Freemasonry is a secret society by re-phrasing it, thusly: It is NOT a secret society; it is a society with secrets.

While our counterclaim is right, as clever-sounding as it is it did not (as most had hoped) result in people dropping the notion that we are somehow, in some way, involved in the occult on some level (pardon the pun!). (I think our counterclaim backfired on us, lol!)

I do not agree with our counterclaim; I believe it to be disingenuous. We ARE involved in the occult; it makes zero sense to deny that - and, I think it has been a big problem for us. It's so blatantly hypocritical to deny it.

Anyway and unfortunately, most Masons are die-hard church-going christians whose concept(s) of the occult is just as skewed as any bigot's, due to a severe lack of knowledge - ironically. Fortunately, for you, I am a Deist, and couldn't care less about either Christianity or the occult.


Our "secrets" have nothing to do with the occult, although, we do possess and practice occultic knowledge; albeit, while pretty much all Masons would agree with my first statement, they might refuse to admit to my second.

So, what are the secrets and mysteries of Freemasonry?

I'm sure you understand that I am sworn to secrecy; therefore, I cannot divulge that information to you. I can say, however, that our secrets have to do solely with passwords, grips and tokens - and, nothing more. Our secrets are merely modes of recognition or ways to be sure that we are in the presence of a bona fide Mason. We do not possess any knowledge of an arcane or occult nature that anyone can't find for themselves if only they dig deep enough. In fact, if one does endeavour to dig deep enough into our storehouse of arcane/occult knowledge/practices, which is in print or online, they will undoubtedly learn more than even some longtime Masons.

That being said, is there a relation between the Masonic Blazing Star found in every Lodge and the star called Sirius?

No, not officially. The UGLE has never confirmed (nor denied) such a belief; and, even if it would confirm it in some official, doctrinal capacity, I highly doubt all Lodges associated with the UGLE would readily adopt such a position without opposition.

There is a reason why the word 'free' is in 'freemason'; it's because we are free to think for ourselves on points of religious, spiritual or political order. We must be the only 'cult' in the world (besides the Qanon 'cult' - which I am invested in, curiously) that allows and encourages its members to think for themselves.

Pike was one such 'thinker'; one of a plethora of Masonic 'thinkers' over the ages; and he did not hold back from sharing his thoughts with the Order and with the world.

I only mention Pike because you said to me in a PM that he believed our Blazing Star IS Sirius. (I'm not sure about that; could you provide chapter and page?)

That could very well be; but, you have to understand that we are and always will be free to disagree if we so choose.

Without knowing the Pike reference, I so happen to agree. That's how I take the Blazing Star; albeit, probably 80% of my Brethren would feel uncomfortable with that idea, or would just be puzzled by it, and move on to other things like giving to charity or something.

Weird, eh?

Thanks for this thread, purplemer.










edit on 13-2-2020 by CanadianMason because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 13 2020 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: CanadianMason
a reply to: purplemer

Hello purplemer, thank you for inviting me to comment on your thread.

First, I'd like to say hello to Astronomer62. (Doing well, I hope?)

On page 2, Gothmog asks for a reason why you bring Freemasonry's Blazing Star symbol into your discussion of Sirius.




[purplemer:] Sirius the Black sun of the occult or the Blazing sun of the freemasons.

[Gothmog:] Why bring freemasons or the occult into this ?


A caveat: Freemasons counter the claim that Freemasonry is a secret society by re-phrasing it, thusly: It is NOT a secret society; it is a society with secrets.

While our counterclaim is right, as clever-sounding as it is it did not (as most had hoped) result in people dropping the notion that we are somehow, in some way, involved in the occult on some level (pardon the pun!). (I think our counterclaim backfired on us, lol!)

I do not agree with our counterclaim; I believe it to be disingenuous. We ARE involved in the occult; it makes zero sense to deny that - and, I think it has been a big problem for us. It's so blatantly hypocritical to deny it.

Anyway and unfortunately, most Masons are die-hard church-going christians whose concept(s) of the occult is just as skewed as any bigot's, due to a severe lack of knowledge - ironically. Fortunately, for you, I am a Deist, and couldn't care less about either Christianity or the occult.


Our "secrets" have nothing to do with the occult, although, we do possess and practice occultic knowledge; albeit, while pretty much all Masons would agree with my first statement, they might refuse to admit to my second.

So, what are the secrets and mysteries of Freemasonry?

I'm sure you understand that I am sworn to secrecy; therefore, I cannot divulge that information to you. I can say, however, that our secrets have to do solely with passwords, grips and tokens - and, nothing more. Our secrets are merely modes of recognition or ways to be sure that we are in the presence of a bona fide Mason. We do not possess any knowledge of an arcane or occult nature that anyone can't find for themselves if only they dig deep enough. In fact, if one does endeavour to dig deep enough into our storehouse of arcane/occult knowledge/practices, which is in print or online, they will undoubtedly learn more than even some longtime Masons.

That being said, is there a relation between the Masonic Blazing Star found in every Lodge and the star called Sirius?

No, not officially. The UGLE has never confirmed (nor denied) such a belief; and, even if it would confirm it in some official, doctrinal capacity, I highly doubt all Lodges associated with the UGLE would readily adopt such a position without opposition.

There is a reason why the word 'free' is in 'freemason'; it's because we are free to think for ourselves on points of religious, spiritual or political order. We must be the only 'cult' in the world (besides the Qanon 'cult' - which I am invested in, curiously) that allows and encourages its members to think for themselves.

Pike was one such 'thinker'; one of a plethora of Masonic 'thinkers' over the ages; and he did not hold back from sharing his thoughts with the Order and with the world.

I only mention Pike because you said to me in a PM that he believed our Blazing Star IS Sirius. (I'm not sure about that; could you provide chapter and page?)

That could very well be; but, you have to understand that we are and always will be free to disagree if we so choose.

Without knowing the Pike reference, I so happen to agree. That's how I take the Blazing Star; albeit, probably 80% of my Brethren would feel uncomfortable with that idea, or would just be puzzled by it, and move on to other things like giving to charity or something.

Weird, eh?

Thanks for this thread, purplemer.



Is there a reason that Freemasons are predominantly Christian in persuasion? You said "die hard" in a manner that suggests stubborn tradition as opposed to the freedom of thought you also described. Are there no Buddhist, Nordic or agnostic masons? Thanks in advance.



posted on Feb, 13 2020 @ 11:44 PM
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Your question actually made me crack a smile. It's a fair one, and thank you for asking it.

You are requesting specificity and precision. Okay.




Is there a reason that Freemasons are predominantly Christian...?


I can only speak of ("of", not 'for') Brethren whom I have met in my own Masonic Jurisdiction which is called the Grand Lodge of Canada in the Province of Ontario.

A majority of the Freemasons I know, in my district and beyond (within the same Jurisdiction), are Protestant Christians; very few are members of the Catholic religion; a few are Muslim or Jewish; a very small minority are followers of various non-Abrahamic belief systems. I am friends with someone (a member of my Lodge) who is an Hermeticist, as well as a member of the Rosicrucian Order.

There are currently about six million of us across the globe, pretty much in every country. A Lodge will statistically reflect its own country's religious/spiritual demographic. There is a christian majority in my Masonic Jurisdiction because there is a christian majority in Ontario; Israel might have a majority of Jewish Freemasons. I think you get the idea.




You said "die hard" in a manner that suggests stubborn tradition as opposed to the freedom of thought you also described.


While we are free to choose and practice our own religions, and free to think for ourselves, not all of us exercise that freedom, unfortunately. You raise a good point.




Are there no Buddhist, Nordic or agnostic masons?


It is a pre-requisite that you declare a belief in a Supreme Being to become a member; therefore, while easier for a Nordic, it might be difficult (but not impossible) for a Buddhist or an agnostic to gain membership. I've never met any; nor, come to think of it, have I ever met any evangelical christians, interestingly enough.



posted on Feb, 14 2020 @ 02:54 AM
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originally posted by: redchad
a reply to: purplemer
Great thread very knowledgable I’m curious about the cover up! I’m led to believe the site of Gobekli Tepi was intentional buried in ancient times have you any idea why the ancients would do this?


Hi redchad,
My astronomy programs dont go back to 9,000 BC, so i can not confirm the claim below that Gobekli Tepe was aligned to Sirius, but would be interesting if true!!!
www.newscientist.com...
edit on 14-2-2020 by Astronomer62 because: Edit.



posted on Feb, 14 2020 @ 03:15 AM
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Hi my friend CanadianMason,
Thank you for being so honest, i have never found anything wrong with the 3 degree's of Freemasonry, it is individual choice to what other fringe society that they join after this, like all philosophical societies and religions, there are good and bad in all of us.
I am never trying to damage the 3 degree's, but get to the truth, indeed my father was a founding member of a lodge, and he engaged in a lot of charity work, eventually he become the perceptor, helping others learn the dogma required, he had an amazing memory, which sadly he lost in old age with dementia.
The legend of Hiram Abiff is often put forward as a belief by Freemasons but there are groups that prefer the Regius Manuscript which tells they originated in ancient Egypt, link below:-
milwaukeefreemasonryformenandwomen.com...
It is probably likely that those that prefer the Egyptian history are more likely to be attached to Mystery Schools and ancient Egyptian alleged magic.



edit on 14-2-2020 by Astronomer62 because: Adding info.



posted on Feb, 14 2020 @ 03:48 AM
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a reply to: cherokeetroy

We will have to wait for more information, crunching numbers is exhausting, and we must keep an open mind regarding mathematics:-
en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Feb, 14 2020 @ 03:55 AM
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I hope you got my pm about contact details?



posted on Feb, 14 2020 @ 07:58 AM
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Sorry to intrude on your thread Purplemar,
But i would like members to comment on thread below, after reading the choices please choose an option, but read from page one before making up your mind.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



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