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originally posted by: Astronomer62
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: TzarChasm
Here are the princples. I can make strong correlations between them and modern physics.
The stuggle in part is as I said because we are culturally trained to use a religion (sceince) that only deals with the esoteric.
If all is mind as the hermetic principle states then to understand the universe and what it is we need to re develop tools to deal with esoteric.
All is mind :-)
Your kemetic principles are strongly reminiscent of the Greek elements that reduced all of matter to 4 basic shapes that government reality (5 shapes if you include ether). There is truth in the concepts you have shared here but it is a very rough sketch that persists in adapting arcane studies to fill in the blanks, much like Ptolemy once did. Granting anthropomorphic qualities to the heavenly bodies and dividing geology according to the worlds of mortals and deities, designating elements in honor of mythology, etc. Alchemy is not science.
Plato could have been right about the fifth element which is the Golden Ratio and can be shaped as a Pentagram or dodecahedron:-
www.sciencedaily.com...
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Astronomer62
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: TzarChasm
Here are the princples. I can make strong correlations between them and modern physics.
The stuggle in part is as I said because we are culturally trained to use a religion (sceince) that only deals with the esoteric.
If all is mind as the hermetic principle states then to understand the universe and what it is we need to re develop tools to deal with esoteric.
All is mind :-)
Your kemetic principles are strongly reminiscent of the Greek elements that reduced all of matter to 4 basic shapes that government reality (5 shapes if you include ether). There is truth in the concepts you have shared here but it is a very rough sketch that persists in adapting arcane studies to fill in the blanks, much like Ptolemy once did. Granting anthropomorphic qualities to the heavenly bodies and dividing geology according to the worlds of mortals and deities, designating elements in honor of mythology, etc. Alchemy is not science.
Plato could have been right about the fifth element which is the Golden Ratio and can be shaped as a Pentagram or dodecahedron:-
www.sciencedaily.com...
It's still superstition masquerading as cosmic 3D printing, aka common sense algebra that is idolized because naturally math can't exist without being invented first. Kind of like how potholes have to be engineered before water can fit in them yeah?
originally posted by: cherokeetroy
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: Astronomer62
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: TzarChasm
Here are the princples. I can make strong correlations between them and modern physics.
The stuggle in part is as I said because we are culturally trained to use a religion (sceince) that only deals with the esoteric.
If all is mind as the hermetic principle states then to understand the universe and what it is we need to re develop tools to deal with esoteric.
All is mind :-)
Your kemetic principles are strongly reminiscent of the Greek elements that reduced all of matter to 4 basic shapes that government reality (5 shapes if you include ether). There is truth in the concepts you have shared here but it is a very rough sketch that persists in adapting arcane studies to fill in the blanks, much like Ptolemy once did. Granting anthropomorphic qualities to the heavenly bodies and dividing geology according to the worlds of mortals and deities, designating elements in honor of mythology, etc. Alchemy is not science.
Plato could have been right about the fifth element which is the Golden Ratio and can be shaped as a Pentagram or dodecahedron:-
www.sciencedaily.com...
It's still superstition masquerading as cosmic 3D printing, aka common sense algebra that is idolized because naturally math can't exist without being invented first. Kind of like how potholes have to be engineered before water can fit in them yeah?
Math wasn't invented, it was discovered
In Pillar 43, if you look closely at the bottom of the pillar, you can see the bird carrying a headless being with a penis (perhaps symbolizing a male deity). To me, the bird is being represented as a mount, just like Garuda. Garuda is also a solar deity who is sometimes ascribed as a charioteer to the Sun god. In the sculpture, the bird is holding a circular object and if this should represent the Sun, then this pillar may strongly depict the Vedic deity, Garuda.
Confessions of a Dissident Astronomer
I think this star has both a deep esoteric (essatoric/ issateric function and an a deep exoteric function too.
“Thermodynamic miracles... events with odds against so astronomical they're effectively impossible, like oxygen spontaneously becoming gold. I long to observe such a thing.
And yet, in each human coupling, a thousand million sperm vie for a single egg. Multiply those odds by countless generations, against the odds of your ancestors being alive; meeting; siring this precise son; that exact daughter... Until your mother loves a man she has every reason to hate, and of that union, of the thousand million children competing for fertilization, it was you, only you, that emerged. To distill so specific a form from that chaos of improbability, like turning air to gold... that is the crowning unlikelihood. The thermodynamic miracle.
But...if me, my birth, if that's a thermodynamic miracle... I mean, you could say that about anybody in the world!.
Yes. Anybody in the world. ..But the world is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that they become commonplace and we forget... I forget. We gaze continually at the world and it grows dull in our perceptions. Yet seen from the another's vantage point. As if new, it may still take our breath away. Come...dry your eyes. For you are life, rarer than a quark and unpredictable beyond the dreams of Heisenberg; the clay in which the forces that shape all things leave their fingerprints most clearly. Dry your eyes... and let's go home.”
[purplemer:] Sirius the Black sun of the occult or the Blazing sun of the freemasons.
[Gothmog:] Why bring freemasons or the occult into this ?
originally posted by: CanadianMason
a reply to: purplemer
Hello purplemer, thank you for inviting me to comment on your thread.
First, I'd like to say hello to Astronomer62. (Doing well, I hope?)
On page 2, Gothmog asks for a reason why you bring Freemasonry's Blazing Star symbol into your discussion of Sirius.
[purplemer:] Sirius the Black sun of the occult or the Blazing sun of the freemasons.
[Gothmog:] Why bring freemasons or the occult into this ?
A caveat: Freemasons counter the claim that Freemasonry is a secret society by re-phrasing it, thusly: It is NOT a secret society; it is a society with secrets.
While our counterclaim is right, as clever-sounding as it is it did not (as most had hoped) result in people dropping the notion that we are somehow, in some way, involved in the occult on some level (pardon the pun!). (I think our counterclaim backfired on us, lol!)
I do not agree with our counterclaim; I believe it to be disingenuous. We ARE involved in the occult; it makes zero sense to deny that - and, I think it has been a big problem for us. It's so blatantly hypocritical to deny it.
Anyway and unfortunately, most Masons are die-hard church-going christians whose concept(s) of the occult is just as skewed as any bigot's, due to a severe lack of knowledge - ironically. Fortunately, for you, I am a Deist, and couldn't care less about either Christianity or the occult.
Our "secrets" have nothing to do with the occult, although, we do possess and practice occultic knowledge; albeit, while pretty much all Masons would agree with my first statement, they might refuse to admit to my second.
So, what are the secrets and mysteries of Freemasonry?
I'm sure you understand that I am sworn to secrecy; therefore, I cannot divulge that information to you. I can say, however, that our secrets have to do solely with passwords, grips and tokens - and, nothing more. Our secrets are merely modes of recognition or ways to be sure that we are in the presence of a bona fide Mason. We do not possess any knowledge of an arcane or occult nature that anyone can't find for themselves if only they dig deep enough. In fact, if one does endeavour to dig deep enough into our storehouse of arcane/occult knowledge/practices, which is in print or online, they will undoubtedly learn more than even some longtime Masons.
That being said, is there a relation between the Masonic Blazing Star found in every Lodge and the star called Sirius?
No, not officially. The UGLE has never confirmed (nor denied) such a belief; and, even if it would confirm it in some official, doctrinal capacity, I highly doubt all Lodges associated with the UGLE would readily adopt such a position without opposition.
There is a reason why the word 'free' is in 'freemason'; it's because we are free to think for ourselves on points of religious, spiritual or political order. We must be the only 'cult' in the world (besides the Qanon 'cult' - which I am invested in, curiously) that allows and encourages its members to think for themselves.
Pike was one such 'thinker'; one of a plethora of Masonic 'thinkers' over the ages; and he did not hold back from sharing his thoughts with the Order and with the world.
I only mention Pike because you said to me in a PM that he believed our Blazing Star IS Sirius. (I'm not sure about that; could you provide chapter and page?)
That could very well be; but, you have to understand that we are and always will be free to disagree if we so choose.
Without knowing the Pike reference, I so happen to agree. That's how I take the Blazing Star; albeit, probably 80% of my Brethren would feel uncomfortable with that idea, or would just be puzzled by it, and move on to other things like giving to charity or something.
Weird, eh?
Thanks for this thread, purplemer.
Is there a reason that Freemasons are predominantly Christian...?
You said "die hard" in a manner that suggests stubborn tradition as opposed to the freedom of thought you also described.
Are there no Buddhist, Nordic or agnostic masons?
originally posted by: redchad
a reply to: purplemer
Great thread very knowledgable I’m curious about the cover up! I’m led to believe the site of Gobekli Tepi was intentional buried in ancient times have you any idea why the ancients would do this?