Our Suns Binary and Spiritual Second Sun (Coverup)

a reply to: Astronomer62

You have built one helluva case over the past year here on ATS! How many coincidences before it becomes mathematically impossible?

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: Nothin
a reply to: purplemer

Have you heard of Adam's Calendar ?
It is said that it faces Orion's Belt, and may be the most ancient megalithic site found so far.
Although these claims are disputed by some folks with fancy letters after their names.

Ancient Origins: Adam's Calendar.

Orion's belt isn't a fixed point in the sky (unlike the polar stars.) It rises and moves across the sky and sets, and during part of the year it's not visible. In addition, there are other stars in that part of the sky... so as Orion rises higher and higher (with each successive evening), other stars show up in the same position on the horizon.

So it can't "face Orion's belt."

(additionally, the stones were set into place recently. They were discovered lying at all kinds of angles but the people who believe it's ancient set them back up (and may have "moved them back into place.")

Hi Byrd.
Yeah: my mistake, as my post should have said: indicates the point where Sirius, and Orion's belt rise, on specific dates of the year, such an equinox, or solstice.

But if the stones were moved, did some stay where they were, or were they were all moved ?
Apparently Stonehenge was rebuilt as well.
Silly Humans...

Perhaps there are reasons why most scholars are not interested in Adam's Calendar.

originally posted by: CanadianMason
a reply to: Astronomer62

You have built one helluva case over the past year here on ATS! How many coincidences before it becomes mathematically impossible?

The mistake here is in what is being defined as coincidence. Sugar pills don't prove anti biotics are useless, but that some medical cases are not infection. Astronomy doesn't prove the stars have mystical properties but that we have built our society around the celestial bodies in a bid for occult influence. We have seen human engineering in action so far, now give us examples of the stars meddling in human affairs without the benefit of self fulfilling prophecy.

originally posted by: Nothin
Hi Byrd.
Yeah: my mistake, as my post should have said: indicates the point where Sirius, and Orion's belt rise, on specific dates of the year, such an equinox, or solstice.

They're several degrees apart in the sky, so there's not actually "a point" where they rise on specific dates. Plus, those are not the only stars that rise in that area. You'd get stars in Taurus on a different date, in Hydra in still other dates, parts of Capricorn, etc, etc. Pick any date and you can find something right at that location or near that location and it's not necessarily Orion's belt or Sirius.

But if the stones were moved, did some stay where they were, or were they were all moved ?
Apparently Stonehenge was rebuilt as well.
Silly Humans...

Perhaps there are reasons why most scholars are not interested in Adam's Calendar.

Yep.

Andrew Collins has a good review of the problems associated with the dating in his very interesting travelogue of a visit to the site.

I can categorically say that I have seen nothing that might convince me that Adam's Calendar was constructed beyond the currently held time-frame of megalithic construction, which began with Gobekli Tepe and the other Pre-Pottery Neolithic structures of SE Turkey and North Syria c. 10,000-9000 BC. Moreover, there is no argument that might be used to argue that any proposed alignment towards the belt stars of Orion only makes sense if the site was constructed 75,000 years ago. No calculations can be used to prove such an idea, not precession (a 26,000 year cycle), obliquity of the ecliptic (a 41,000 year cycle), or even much longer Milankovitch cycles, which only affect climate and not the earth's astronomical position against the local horizon.

andrewcollins.com...

a reply to: TzarChasm

The mistake here is in what is being defined as coincidence.

First, we must understand what a 'coincidence' is before we can define *what*, in Astro's research, appears to 'coincide'.

How does the Oxford dictionary define the word, 'coincidence'?

a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection.

You may be partially correct. While there may not be a "causal connection" between Sirius and Earthling "events and circumstances", yet there does appear to be "a remarkable concurrence" between them, as Astro has labouriously proven beyond a shadow of any doubt.

Something to ponder, deeply.

a reply to: Byrd

Pick any date and you can find something right at that location or near that location and it's not necessarily Orion's belt or Sirius.

Interesting.

Astro, what say you?

originally posted by: CanadianMason
a reply to: TzarChasm

The mistake here is in what is being defined as coincidence.

First, we must understand what a 'coincidence' is before we can define *what*, in Astro's research, appears to 'coincide'.

How does the Oxford dictionary define the word, 'coincidence'?

a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection.

You may be partially correct. While there may not be a "causal connection" between Sirius and Earthling "events and circumstances", yet there does appear to be "a remarkable concurrence" between them, as Astro has labouriously proven beyond a shadow of any doubt.

Something to ponder, deeply.

The simplest explanation is people are looking at the stars and arranging their calendar and architecture accordingly. That was what the priests were hired for in the first place. Planting ideas and letting natural psychology take its course, no different from salt and black cats.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Astronomer62

This all just evidence that people are superstitious, that they engineer coincidence in an effort to produce the illusion of fate and cosmic influence. We give names to the stars, they do not name us. We give life to gods, they do not give us life. Vicarious spirituality is the mirror in which we find identity because the one we have now is lonely and horrifying. The psychology of astronomy is painfully transparent but you choose to believe numbers are alive and want us to acknowledge them, not the other way around. That is your right.

Hi TzarChasm,
Please don't miss-quote me,
I have always said what i find are beliefs, as CanadianMason will tell you, i have never said anything other as an archaeoastronomer.
What i have said is "This is enough for conspiracy as many heads of state follow this process of belief in hermeticism, which voters are unaware of, in general aligning a date or building doesn't effect us, but what are the ethics of this religion, that controls us?
All this is secret society beliefs, and i have never said this is what effected the outcome, but by the nature of the beliefs in war it has influenced history, the beliefs are there in 9/11, that go back to 1922, and the process of where we are today is influenced by these beliefs, not the stars.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

In Purplemer's favour i have to say i was shaken by the amount of Presidents of the United States had a connection to either Sirius or Alnilam by birth or death at location, but to have a thesis, i would have to go through every country of the world, which slowly i'm doing, which i will show in a long time from now, the next will be Prime Ministers of the UK.

I'm very carefull what i say, and i have always said it is the beliefs, not the stars that influence history:-
www.abovetopsecret.com...

We need to get to grips with "The Sothic Cycle" and some false statements, which has influenced many, like some video's shown before that our orbits patterns are somehow linked to Sirius, lets look at wikipedia quote:-
"It has been noticed, and the Sothic cycle confirms, that Sirius does not move retrograde across the sky like other stars, a phenomenon widely known as the precession of the equinox. Professor Jed Buchwald wrote "Sirius remains about the same distance from the equinoxes—and so from the solstices—throughout these many centuries, despite precession." [11] For the same reason, the helical rising or zenith of Sirius does not slip through the calendar at the precession rate of about one day per 71.6 years as other stars do but much slower.[12] This remarkable stability within the solar year may be one reason that the Egyptians used it as a basis for their calendar. The coincidence of a heliacal rising of Sirius and the New Year reported by Censorinus occurred about the 20th of July, that is a month later after the summer solstice."
en.wikipedia.org...

What is true is Sirius reacts the same way as any other star with the Procession of the Equinoxox's, we can see this by ancient Greek day marker to the start of the Julian Calendar being sunset previous day being 31st December 0046 BC, when Sirius was rising in the East, which i have always explained was intentional, i will continue on next thread, graph below:-

So now look at approx 1600 years later in the same place being Thebes/Luxor, sunset on 31st December 1600, you can see the Sun setting, but Sirius is now no where near rising, well below horizon, it behaves like any other star regarding procession, it doesn't sit still at all as the ages pass by!!!!

originally posted by: Astronomer62

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Astronomer62

This all just evidence that people are superstitious, that they engineer coincidence in an effort to produce the illusion of fate and cosmic influence. We give names to the stars, they do not name us. We give life to gods, they do not give us life. Vicarious spirituality is the mirror in which we find identity because the one we have now is lonely and horrifying. The psychology of astronomy is painfully transparent but you choose to believe numbers are alive and want us to acknowledge them, not the other way around. That is your right.

Hi TzarChasm,
Please don't miss-quote me,
I have always said what i find are beliefs, as CanadianMason will tell you, i have never said anything other as an archaeoastronomer.
What i have said is "This is enough for conspiracy as many heads of state follow this process of belief in hermeticism, which voters are unaware of, in general aligning a date or building doesn't effect us, but what are the ethics of this religion, that controls us?
All this is secret society beliefs, and i have never said this is what effected the outcome, but by the nature of the beliefs in war it has influenced history, the beliefs are there in 9/11, that go back to 1922, and the process of where we are today is influenced by these beliefs, not the stars.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

In Purplemer's favour i have to say i was shaken by the amount of Presidents of the United States had a connection to either Sirius or Alnilam by birth or death at location, but to have a thesis, i would have to go through every country of the world, which slowly i'm doing, which i will show in a long time from now, the next will be Prime Ministers of the UK.

I'm very carefull what i say, and i have always said it is the beliefs, not the stars that influence history:-
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Excellent, we are on the same page. So what are the beliefs and "purposes" that compel this engineering of collusion between human affairs and the activity of the heavens? What is the intended reward for such manipulation? Is it just the occult version of roulette?

a reply to: TzarChasm
I think we have to debate to get to a consensus regarding what the beliefs mean.
The People involved are highly placed in government, they have a belief that i would call hermeticism, most voters have never heard of these beliefs.
Perhaps we should look firstly at the worse type of groups that value Sirius, this doesn't mean all groups are the same or in contact with each other.
The Order of the Solar Temple was an extreme fringe group, and a quote from wikipedia is below that mentions Sirius:-
"A few days later[clarification needed], Di Mambro and twelve followers performed a ritual Last Supper. A few days after the Last Supper[clarification needed], apparent mass suicides and murders were conducted at Cheiry and Salvan, two villages in Western Switzerland, and at Morin Heights—15 inner circle members committed suicide with poison, 30 were killed by bullets or smothering, and 8 others were killed by other causes. In Switzerland, many of the victims were found in a secret underground chapel lined with mirrors and other items of Templar symbolism. The bodies were dressed in the order's ceremonial robes and were in a circle, feet together, heads outward, most with plastic bags tied over their heads; they had each been shot in the head. The plastic bags may have been a symbol of the ecological disaster that would befall the human race after the OTS members moved on to Sirius".

en.wikipedia.org...

Any order can say that they belong to The Knights Templar, but in reality this would have to be a Papal Bull to authorize.
I will continue tomorrow, and leave further comments on the Sothic Cycle for a while.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Hello, TC.

We agree on this:

people are looking at the stars and arranging their calendar and architecture accordingly

My question is, why, WTF?

Who are these people, and what do they get out of it?

If Astro is correct, these people are part of some super secret global cabal of hermeticists who hold the reigns of Power, and utilize the stars to arrange their affairs here on Earth.

It sounds absurd but, here we are, face-to-face with Astro's findings, which are undeniably mind-altering.

While we may not share *their* belief in the efficacy of the stars, those beliefs surely have affected our destiny.

originally posted by: CanadianMason
a reply to: TzarChasm

Hello, TC.

We agree on this:

people are looking at the stars and arranging their calendar and architecture accordingly

My question is, why, WTF?

Who are these people, and what do they get out of it?

If Astro is correct, these people are part of some super secret global cabal of hermeticists who hold the reigns of Power, and utilize the stars to arrange their affairs here on Earth.

It sounds absurd but, here we are, face-to-face with Astro's findings, which are undeniably mind-altering.

While we may not share *their* belief in the efficacy of the stars, those beliefs surely have affected our destiny.

It's not secret, they just don't post their business on Twitter and Instagram like everyone else. But as you can see, the evidence of their fetish is all around the world. Just have to do some homework and connect the glaringly obvious dots. And you're right, the question is "to what end?" What is the reward for these practices?

a reply to: purplemer

I enjoyed that and I am now somewhat convinced we live in a binary star system.

Do you think this is deliberately being covered up or that this is knowledge we, as a race, have collectively forgotten?

a reply to: CanadianMason

Hi CanadianMason and TzarChasm,
I'm so pleased that we can as a group discuss this, it is too big for me to research on my own.
This is like looking at an iceberg tip, so much is hidden, we can see the alignments but to find out the ethics, beliefs and nature of these powerfully placed people is hidden, it will mean a lot of testing by how the beliefs are applied throughout history to fully get to the truth.
I tend to like a quote from a Sherlock Holmes novel :- "Once you discount the impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".
I have little doubt that alleged "Astrology Magic" is being applied, and these people read books like "Picatrix", it is so hard for normal people to take in all this Harry Potter stuff, it is insane!
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: CanadianMason

Hello and thank you for your replies. I am in London atm and spent some time at the Freemasons' Hall in London (headquarters of the United Grand Lodge of England)

They have some lovely displays there too. I noticed depictions on some of their collection collection of a mother and child (often depicted on the blazing star) I thought of ISIS and Horus which I think it may represent.

I also came across imagery of Mother and three children or possibly three men. (I thought of the three Kings (belt of orion but am unsure) Have you got any idea what these symbols might mean. Apart from 'hope'

and if you dont mind me asking You said earlier that the the organisation was one with secrets. Does that mean you might know stuff and if you did you would not say?

Either way here are some images below.












I also found this intresting..



Happy days :-)

I thought we could look at a "Moderate Alignment", being an agreement between two countries, in this case involving the Sino-British signing regarding Hong Kong., quote below:-
Sino-British Joint Declaration
Main article: Sino-British Joint Declaration

"The Sino-British Joint Declaration was signed by the Prime Ministers of the People's Republic of China and the United Kingdom governments on 19 December 1984 in Beijing. The Declaration entered into force with the exchange of instruments of ratification on 27 May 1985 and was registered by the People's Republic of China and United Kingdom governments at the United Nations on 12 June 1985.

In the Joint Declaration, the People's Republic of China Government stated that it had decided to resume the exercise of sovereignty over Hong Kong (including Hong Kong Island, Kowloon, and the New Territories) with effect from 1 July 1997 and the United Kingdom Government declared that it would restore Hong Kong to the PRC with effect from 1 July 1997. In the document, the People's Republic of China Government also declared its basic policies regarding Hong Kong.

In accordance with the "One country, two systems" principle agreed between the United Kingdom and the People's Republic of China, the socialist system of the People's Republic of China would not be practised in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR), and Hong Kong's previous capitalist system and its way of life would remain unchanged for a period of 50 years. This would have left Hong Kong unchanged until 2047.

The Joint Declaration provided that these basic policies should be stipulated in the Hong Kong Basic Law. The ceremony of the signing of the Sino-British Joint Declaration took place at 18:00, 19 December 1984 at the Western Main Chamber of the Great Hall of the People. The Hong Kong and Macao Affairs Office at first proposed a list of 60–80 Hong Kong people to attend the ceremony. The number was finally extended to 101".
en.wikipedia.org...-British_Joint_Declaration
There are many of these agreements, declarations and independence dates aligned to either Sirius or the Belt of Orion, which is associated with Osiris, and this follows suit with Alnilam.
You will see that the date of signing was 19th December 1984 in Beijing, China, and it is day marked by midnight day marker when Alnilam is culminating at true South.
I have shown this because it is marked twice, usaully the actual time of signing is hard or impossible to find but in this case we are lucky to know this happened at 18:00, when Alnilam was rising.
As we don't believe in the power of the stars, we might let this sort of stuff go, i think there are some good secret societies, but we don't want their beliefs pushed down the throats of the vast majority of voters without our knowledge.
Astronomy graphs below:-

Hi Purplemer,
Great to hear from you, i think we should see what CanadianMason thinks about your interesting photo's before anyone else comments, hopefully he will reply soon.

a reply to: purplemer

The two-handled cup under the glass (last pic) is an item from Saint Milburga Lodge No. 1120.

From their Facebook page:

St. Milburga Lodge is a traditional masonic lodge formally from Ironbridge now meeting at Wellington, Shropshire.

Saint Milburga was the eldest of three sisters who were in their day likened to the Three Graces: Faith, Hope and Charity. Milburga was 'Faith'; Mildgytha, 'Hope'; and, Mildrith, 'Charity'.

St. Milburga was abbess of Wenlock Abbey in Salop, Shropshire, England until her death in 727 AD.

Link

I wonder if the cup with the bull's head and beehive-like building on it is also from St. Milburga Lodge?

The Horned Bull's Head traces back to the ancient Egyptian Cult of Hathor and Horus. Link (pp. 196-197)

Although I'm not entirely sure it is a beehive, the Beehive-like building depicted there could mean the cup can possibly be dated back to a pre-Union Lodge!

The beehive is a very old Masonic symbol that is still used in many countries, but in England and Wales it was dropped after the Union of 1813. It can still be seen however in some older pre-Union lodges, for example it is displayed as a symbol on the 3rd Degree Tracing Board of the Royal Cumberland Lodge No.41 in Bath, but to all purposes it has been lost as a symbol under the United Grand Lodge of England.

Link (You'll also find some interesting info on the origin and meaning of the Masonic beehive symbol at the link.)

The pictures you posted showing female figures with or without children are the Three Graces or three theological virtues: Faith, Hope and Charity. They trace back to ancient Greek fertility goddesses. You can usually identify who is which 'grace' or 'virtue' by other symbols around or on them, like a lamp or a book, or an anchor, or children.

The Three Graces can be traced to ancient Greek religion where they were goddesses of fertility; the name Graces refers to the �pleasing� or �charming� appearance of a fertile field or garden. The number of the Graces would vary in different legends, but there usually were three of them, namely: Aglaia, meaning brightness; Euphrosyne, meaning joyfulness; and Thilia, meaning bloom. They were said at various times to be the daughters of Zeus and Hera or of Helios and Aegle.

In works of art the Three Graces were, in early times, depicted being draped with cloth, and later as nude female figures. In Freemasonry the Three Graces; Faith, Hope, and Charity, are depicted in art wearing fine clothing.

(More info at Link

To your question regarding my knowledge of 'secrets': Yes, I hold our 'secrets' which are merely passwords, grips and tokens so we can know with 100% certainty that someone claiming to be a Brother is a Brother. Yet, even those are not so 'secret', as they can be found online.