Our Suns Binary and Spiritual Second Sun (Coverup)

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Astronomer62

You talk a lot but say very little. None of your hand drawn nonsense refutes the ritual I posted.

Go scribble more crap and get back to me.

This thread has to do with the Astronomy of Sirius and Alnilam, go and learn some from Phage, before you scribble, go check if my charts are accurate before comments.
There are astronomers that are members.
I'm not getting into a dog fight with you on Purplemer's Thread, at least with Canadian Mason and KSigMason we eventually found a way to communicate, you give nothing but spoiling tactics, i have seen it all before...last communication!

a reply to: purplemer

Have you watched 2001: A Space Odyssey thats about Freemasonary too!

That is a terrific movie.

I haven't seen it in years so I'm definitely overdue for a re-watch.

I had no idea there was an connection to Freemasonry.

Can you expand a little on this topic? And then the next time I watch it, I can look out for some of the symbolism or other things that link it to freemasonry.

originally posted by: Astronomer62
This thread has to do with the Astronomy of Sirius and Alnilam...

That's nice, if you were actually paying attention to what I posted it was refuting the Original Poster's claims of Sirius having a part in Masonry which was not supported by the ritual I posted. I'm not interested in your ego-stroking scribblings.

originally posted by: Riffrafter
I had no idea there was an connection to Freemasonry.

People like the Original Poster will connect everything to Masonry which means in reality that nothing is connected to Masonry.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Riffrafter
I had no idea there was an connection to Freemasonry.

People like the Original Poster will connect everything to Masonry which means in reality that nothing is connected to Masonry.

Said like that, true.

But my question was specific about the references to freemasonry in Kubrick's "2001: A Apace odyssey".

Are you saying there are no references to freemasonry in the movie? I value your opinion on this subject.

Best line of the move: "My God. It's full of stars!"

Hi Purplemer,
I have always shown that aligning to the stars has been done by many different organisations, some of which are fringe orders of masonic research but equally regarding the main religions.

There have been a number of Freemasons here that have conceeded that there have been deliberate alignments to correspond with the events on earth, like KSigMason
" a reply to: Astronomer62
Know nothing? I acknowledge that there has been astronomical alignments with important events.

Quia tu lucerna mea Domine et Domine inluminabis tenebras meas."

So masonic involvement can be mixed, Scottish Right Northern Jurisdiction, i have found don't use these type of alignments, Southern Jurisdiction does in the United States.
I have never found anything wrong with the 3 degrees of Freemasonry, however after completing the 3 degrees, the door is open to join so many unsavoury secret societies, so can be used as a clearing house!

originally posted by: Riffrafter
Are you saying there are no references to freemasonry in the movie? I value your opinion on this subject.

I've seen it several times and I don't think there are any references to Masonry. But I fully expect this to become 'Kubrick was a 1,000th Degree Mason and so was everyone in it', which is then 'supported' by drawing triangles and right angles over screen shots of the film.

I found "Eyes Wide Shut" interesting in regards to secret societies, Kubrick's last film.
www.dailymotion.com...

No idea why the candidate would be Sirius, and not Nemesis. I just don't get it.
A smaller Brown Dwarf than Saturn would still be a potential candidate:

In particular, if Nemesis is a red dwarf or a brown dwarf, the WISE mission (an infrared sky survey that covered most of our solar neighborhood in movement-verifying parallax measurements) was expected to be able to find it.[2] WISE can detect 150-kelvin brown dwarfs out to 10 light-years. But the closer a brown dwarf is, the easier it is to detect.[15] Preliminary results of the WISE survey were released on April 14, 2011.[29] On March 14, 2012, the entire catalog of the WISE mission was released.[30] In 2014 WISE data ruled out a Saturn or larger-sized body in the Oort cloud out to ten thousand AU

en.wikipedia.org...(hypothetical_star)

With this in mind I find it hard to believe that there's a cover up going on. It's still a somewhat legit theory for a binary system, even if it might be more likely that any further stars were ejected from the system billions of years ago. Which is pretty much the reason why the Nemesis Hypothesis has been abandoned by most scientists in the field.

However. This must be the first thread in which someone really posted the idea, that Crowley didn't have esoteric in mind with reminding us, that:

“Every man and every woman is a star.”

A.C.

C'mon! Really? And we can find this reductionism, with a sole materialist interpretation of the "Book of the Law", in a thread that literally claims a lack of spirituality? That's very rich in a positivist way, you may keep the irony!

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Freemasons do write about Sirius like ATS member KSigMason on his blog:-

The Blazing star is not only a Masonic symbol, but an ancient and historic one. From early days, man has always looked to the heavens for guidance. The worship of sun and stars were some of the earliest religious systems used in ancient days. To these early religions, stars was in fact the soul of a hero or god that had once dwelt upon the earth. With this symbol, many draw comparisons to the Dog Star, Sirius. The Dog Star is actually 2 stars called Sirius A and Sirius B. Due to the fact that the Dog Star is 8.6 light years away, without a telescope of the magnitudinal category of the Hubble Telescope, using the naked eye, we see it as one star. Sirius is the brightest star in the sky because it is approximately twice the size of our sun, and as such has caught the attention of man. The Dog Star has a heliacal rising. Heliacal means relating to the sun. A heliacal rising is when the star becomes visible upon the Eastern horizon at dawn, travels through the sky and "sets" in the West, much like our sun. Stars with heliacal rising were important to the ancients as they used them for the timing of agricultural activities. Travelers upon the sea used the stars as a guide, much as we use a map, today. The stars even played a part in the establishing the borders and layout of the District of Columbia

The Lesser Lights are said to represent the sun, the moon and the Master of the Lodge. The sun is a symbol of the masculine, the active, the aggressive; the moon, of the feminine, the receptive, the passive. These two symbols continue the pattern of duality in Freemasonry During the course of initiation, the new Mason is taught the North is a place of darkness. This is explained in the ritual by describing the orientation of King Solomon's Temple and stating the location prevented the rays of the sun at meridian height from entering a north window. This explanation is based upon natural phenomena. However, it is known that diffused light will enter a northerly oriented window. It is curious to note that no other reference is made to the North being a place of darkness in Craft Masonry. It is interesting to see negativity with the north as those in the northern hemisphere seen the polar star by which early navigation was dependent upon. However, there are several mythological accounts on the north being a place of darkness. Even Biblical accounts state the following of the north. Job 37: 9 reads, "Out of the south cometh the whirlwind; and cold, out of the north." Among the people of England there existed a desire not to be buried on the north side of a church indicating an aversion to the north. The Graham Manuscript, published in 1726, provides some additional insight. It contains the following questions and answers:
www.travelingtemplar.com...

originally posted by: Astronomer62
I found "Eyes Wide Shut" interesting in regards to secret societies, Kubrick's last film.
www.dailymotion.com...

That was an interesting movie.

I also found it difficult to watch for some reason.

I have no idea why.

a reply to: Riffrafter

Hi, yes the film was surreal, i'm just posting a few blogs by Freemasons about Sirius:-
taughtbydegree.wordpress.com...
Which was written by a mason who had joined other branches after 3 degrees as shown below:-
taughtbydegree.wordpress.com...
I liked the Ritual scene, it reminded me of perhaps what a ritual would be like in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, although i'm not keen on Crowley and how he treated women under his spell:-
en.wikipedia.org...

In a lot of bible study done by Freemasons the quote that the "Blazing Star" is the Star of Bethlehem is often quoted.
This related to "The Three Wise Men arriving in Bethlehem.
This happened on 6th January we are lead to believe by epiphany.
A star alignment on this date will carry on for a few centuries, so the year isn't important, it would cover the period of Christ.
The ancient Jews did and still do use Sunset previous to date as the start of day, so we would be looking in Bethlehem at sunset on 5th January approx. two thousand years ago, as Sun Set, Sirius was rising, i could have followed the alignment from Persia:-

Quote:-
"Star of Bethlehem: In the lectures credited to Dunckerley and adopted by the Grand Lodge, the Blazing Star was said to represent “the star which led the wise men to Bethlehem, proclaiming to mankind the nativity of the Son of God, and here conducting our spiritual progress to the Author of our redemption.”
So by what Freemasons write, we can establish that the "Star of Bethlehem" is the "Blazing Star" of lodges, which must be "Sirius", links below:-
www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com...
www.timeanddate.com...

a reply to: Astronomer62

I get the feeling you missed my point. Nemesis or not, I wasn't talking about astrology or astronomy. That's a different topic in my book.
Let me repeat the critique: Crowley is being cited for a materialist approach to Thelema in order to make his star an actual star, which is utter nonsense. Here's why:

In Aleister Crowley's Thelema, the hexagram is usually depicted with a five-petalled flower in the centre which symbolises a pentacle. The symbol itself is the equivalent of the ancient Egyptian Ankh, or the Rosicrucian's Rosy Cross; which represents the microcosmic forces (the pentacle, representation of the pentagram with 5 elements, the Pentagrammaton, YHSVH or Yahshuah) interweave with the macro-cosmic forces (the hexagram, the representation of the planetary or heavenly cosmic forces, the divine)

en.wikipedia.org...

This doesn't only present you with a different star than most of you expected to see, it illustrates the totally overlooked spiritual quality I was getting at. Which resonates with the following remarks:

Thelema draws its principal gods and goddesses from Ancient Egyptian religion. The highest deity in the cosmology of Thelema is the goddess Nuit. She is the night sky arched over the Earth symbolized in the form of a naked woman. She is conceived as the Great Mother, the ultimate source of all things.[61] The second principal deity of Thelema is the god Hadit, conceived as the infinitely small point, complement and consort of Nuit. Hadit symbolizes manifestation, motion, and time.[61] He is also described in Liber AL vel Legis as "the flame that burns in every heart of man, and in the core of every star".[62] The third deity in the cosmology of Thelema is Ra-Hoor-Khuit, a manifestation of Horus. He is symbolized as a throned man with the head of a hawk who carries a wand. He is associated with the Sun and the active energies of Thelemic magick.[61]

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: PublicOpinion
Hi, he also talks about Isis and Osiris, Sirius is the Isis Star and Alnilam, Belt of Orion is the Osiris Star:-
en.wikipedia.org...,_deity,_and_the_divine
"'IAO is of particular importance in Thelemic ceremonial magick, and functions both as a name for the divine and a magical formula. Crowley associated this formula with yoga, and noted that its letters can signify the attributes of Isis, Apophis, and Osiris, or birth, death, and resurrection, respectively, stages of change which he believed, and many Thelemites believe, is analogous to the processes constantly undergone by the physical universe. "

Actually Thelema was aligned to Alnilam, Osiris, shown at top of the page on link below:-
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Astronomer62
In a lot of bible study done by Freemasons the quote that the "Blazing Star" is the Star of Bethlehem is often quoted.
This related to "The Three Wise Men arriving in Bethlehem.
This happened on 6th January we are lead to believe by epiphany.

Which, of course, is the wrong time of year (as is well known). Shepherds aren't in the fields then.

Amazing read. I love stuff like this.

Hi Byrd,
Yes, the early Christians did think that Jesus was born on 6th January, it was changed to 25th December during the period of the "First Council of Nicaea":-
en.wikipedia.org...
When Pope Gregory XIII rectified the Julian Calendar in 1582, he took ten days out of the calendar, however he didn't go back to when the calendar started in 0045 BC, he stopped at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD.
If he had rectified the whole calendar back to origin, then the Winter Solstice would have fallen on 25th December, lots of pagan gods have a birthday on this date, so both dates are dubious for the birth of Jesus.

a reply to: Riffrafter

Sorry late reply have been busy. Kunbrick was ion my opinon the most important film maker of last centuary. I tried to dig some stuff up for you. Its amazing what has been taken down.

A Space Odyssey as a visual and alchemical initiation into the ongoing transformation and evolutionary ascent of man to a so-called Star Child destiny.

(the degreees or stages of freemasonary being rerpresented by the three different sections of the film (the savage to the star child / (the star of destiny being sirius)

saturndeathcult.com...

of intrest and mentioned in this article was the devation from the monolith being found on saturn to jupiter.

Saturn in my opinion hit a little too close to the bone and thats why is was changed to Jupiter. (the tenth moon of Saturn is meant to be the temporary home to the Nommo. (according to the dogon) who say there real home is in the trianry sirius system.