Church of Christ Shooting: 2 Dead, 1 Critical In White Settlement, Texas

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

Sometimes it indicates criminal intent.

Sometimes it’s just because people think guns are cool. Which, they are I guess. Like swords and jets and throwing stars.

A mugger, rapist or thief doesn’t get to mug, rape or steal when their intended victim has a gun. Even if the criminal is armed too. They usually still do not get to commit their crime.

Much to the dismay of the left.

The general public in the United States has the inalienable right to have and own firearms

That will not change in the foreseeable future

Which is a good thing.

Criminals have more motivation to get a gun than others who are just responding to the criminals.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Well its been two weeks right?

abcnews.go.com...

Roughly every fifteen days now.

But this American carnage ends right here and ends right now..... sure it does.

I'm assuming you are for getting rid of all those nasty gun thingeys and then everything will be fine.

Then every Christian, then every Jew...

You know, those religious radicals.

Then a little bit of a purge (For America!!!) to get rid of those who don't think like the left...

Then those that are left will just settle in comfortably and just be proud to be part of the 4th Reich.

/facepalm

To the OP, sad that there are crazies out there.

Too bad there are gun-free zones where this can happen.

Christians don't kill people, but guns do (once more).

A gun is an inanimate object.

So no, guns don't kill people.

Hard to get into a serious conversation with someone who can't comprehend that.

Christians kill people all the time, actually... although the motive is generally not their religion.

Exactly, and hows the irony - the purp was shot and killed by the parishioner in his church.

Thoust shall not kill. Clear to see that parishioner takes his religion seriously.

originally posted by: CthruU

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Well its been two weeks right?

abcnews.go.com...

Roughly every fifteen days now.

But this American carnage ends right here and ends right now..... sure it does.

I'm assuming you are for getting rid of all those nasty gun thingeys and then everything will be fine.

Then every Christian, then every Jew...

You know, those religious radicals.

Then a little bit of a purge (For America!!!) to get rid of those who don't think like the left...

Then those that are left will just settle in comfortably and just be proud to be part of the 4th Reich.

/facepalm

To the OP, sad that there are crazies out there.

Too bad there are gun-free zones where this can happen.

Christians don't kill people, but guns do (once more).

A gun is an inanimate object.

So no, guns don't kill people.

Hard to get into a serious conversation with someone who can't comprehend that.

Christians kill people all the time, actually... although the motive is generally not their religion.

Exactly, and hows the irony - the purp was shot and killed by the parishioner in his church.

Thoust shall not kill. Clear to see that parishioner takes his religion seriously.

Not to justify anything. Some translations use the word murder instead of kill. "You must not murder." Which makes a distinction in the type of killing being done.

There is accidental manslaughter which I don't think fits the definition of murder, and there is justified killing, which also would not fit that definition.

I agree that a Christian should not be packing with the intention of protecting themselves because they are weapons made to kill other humans. They should be following Christ's example. He did not pick up weapons, did not pick sides in politics, did not fight. And even when Peter cut off the ear of Malchus, I think was his name, trying to protect Jesus, Jesus healed the slave's ear that was chopped off then told Peter to return the sword to its place and said: He who lives by the sword will die by the sword.

I think there are a lot of reasons of murders going on among religious people. Of course the major reason is that a lot of them have an appearance of being Godly but are not. People have mental health issues. People can be mistreated by other "Christians," Muslims, and what not.

Some people just don't get along, personality conflicts. Some people are sinned against, perhaps someone stole from them, lied to them, made a business arrangement with them and didn't keep their end of the agreement, perhaps making them lose lots of money, maybe even their house. Then they see fellow religious people lying, and cheating, and committing adultery, and will you get it.

Atheists are hypocrites just as religious people are. So I'm not justifying not believing in God because other people who claim to believe in God or worship him are rotten people sometimes.

Just saying there are a lot of reasons for all the bickering, fighting, and murdering among religious people and against religious people.

One should treat their fellowman and woman with dignity, respect, honor, and love. One should not encrouach upon another's rights, freedoms, conscience, beliefs. One should look for the good in the other, forgive the bad when sinned against. And we all mess up and need forgiveness ourselves.

Some wounds can be very deep. Perhaps you feel you have been slighted, or a family member mistreated, perhaps you feel you have justification to take action, perhaps it is real, perhaps it is only perceived, and what you think is really wrong.

In any event, doesn't scripture state: "Return evil for evil to no one." "Keep repaying the bad with the good." "Endure when under trial." "Pray for those who persecute you." "Love your enemy." "Freely forgive one another." "As far as it depends upon you be peaceable with all men." "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says Jehovah."

I'm not justifying any action taken or condemning anything. Just food for thought. There is a reason people commit atrocities against other people. Obviously they are not following Christ's example, or heed words for Christians to follow. But if you look deep down the wounds that make them lash out are there for a reason, whether real or imagined.

a reply to: ketsuko

Wrong. I personally do not own any guns but I do not care if someone else does.
I am not a take your guns democrat. I live in an open carry state.
You have never seen any post from me saying take any guns.

I have questioned the need for assault rifles in the general population but never advocated for no guns.

There is no preset mold for what a liberal thinks. Maybe consider that I am an individual first.

originally posted by: CthruU

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Well its been two weeks right?

abcnews.go.com...

Roughly every fifteen days now.

But this American carnage ends right here and ends right now..... sure it does.

I'm assuming you are for getting rid of all those nasty gun thingeys and then everything will be fine.

Then every Christian, then every Jew...

You know, those religious radicals.

Then a little bit of a purge (For America!!!) to get rid of those who don't think like the left...

Then those that are left will just settle in comfortably and just be proud to be part of the 4th Reich.

/facepalm

To the OP, sad that there are crazies out there.

Too bad there are gun-free zones where this can happen.

Christians don't kill people, but guns do (once more).

A gun is an inanimate object.

So no, guns don't kill people.

Hard to get into a serious conversation with someone who can't comprehend that.

Christians kill people all the time, actually... although the motive is generally not their religion.

Exactly, and hows the irony - the purp was shot and killed by the parishioner in his church.

Thoust shall not kill. Clear to see that parishioner takes his religion seriously.

Except in self defense. The shall not kill commandment means murder. You would have known this if you were serious about serving the Lord.

a reply to: ketsuko

I don't know what is causing this increase in violence and destruction.

I live in a rural, quiet, and fairly friendly area. We have recently had several cases of vandalism on places of business and private homes. Something that has never happened here before. I am not talking about grafetti, I am talking thousands of dollars of pure destruction.

This seems to be a rising trend. Hate, destruction, and terrorizing. It is either Biblical or we as a society are just toast.

Or both.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: ketsuko

I don't know what is causing this increase in violence and destruction.

I live in a rural, quiet, and fairly friendly area. We have recently had several cases of vandalism on places of business and private homes. Something that has never happened here before. I am not talking about grafetti, I am talking thousands of dollars of pure destruction.

This seems to be a rising trend. Hate, destruction, and terrorizing. It is either Biblical or we as a society are just toast.

Or both.

I was watching a video on YouTube touching on this subject of vandalism of religious sites. Had lots of footage of it too. Let me see if I can find it....

Ha, I found it..took awhile. Couldn't remember for the life of me where it was.

A gun is a tool nothing more, can be used to take lives and save lives.
In this instance a bad guy with a gun was limited on the damage he could do by good guy with a gun stopping the shooter quickly.

The anti-gun extremists are excited as hell over this Texas church shooting because the Republican governor signed a law allowing churchgoers to carry guns. These people actually think that if that law wasn't passed, the shooter, who was intent on MURDER, would've been like "Well, it's against the law to bring guns into a church so I changed my mind."

If you think that law had anything to do with causing the shooting, you are legitimately mentally defective. Don't breed, please. That law is what allowed innocent people to carry and prevent this from turning into the bloodbath the shooter intended it to be. The shooter didn't care about the law, idiots.

Also, it's hilarious that all the Democrats blasting about this are only mentioning the Governor, who is a Republican, as if the Governor unilaterally passes state laws. Zero mention of the state legislature, who actually passed the law, because there are Democrats who voted for it. That just proves this is entirely political. They don't care about saving lives, they care about advancing a political agenda.

If you are running around blaming the governor, you are blatantly trying to exploit dead people for political gain and you are the scum of our society.

originally posted by: CthruU

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Well its been two weeks right?

abcnews.go.com...

Roughly every fifteen days now.

But this American carnage ends right here and ends right now..... sure it does.

I'm assuming you are for getting rid of all those nasty gun thingeys and then everything will be fine.

Then every Christian, then every Jew...

You know, those religious radicals.

Then a little bit of a purge (For America!!!) to get rid of those who don't think like the left...

Then those that are left will just settle in comfortably and just be proud to be part of the 4th Reich.

/facepalm

To the OP, sad that there are crazies out there.

Too bad there are gun-free zones where this can happen.

Christians don't kill people, but guns do (once more).

A gun is an inanimate object.

So no, guns don't kill people.

Hard to get into a serious conversation with someone who can't comprehend that.

Christians kill people all the time, actually... although the motive is generally not their religion.

Exactly, and hows the irony - the purp was shot and killed by the parishioner in his church.

Thoust shall not kill. Clear to see that parishioner takes his religion seriously.

It's disappointing to see people take the opportunity to attack a hero, slam his religion and encourage a shooter.

Pretty clean headshot kill from 20+ feet with a handgun. -Justified.

“If you make me pull. I’ll put you down.” - R.G.

originally posted by: CthruU

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Well its been two weeks right?

abcnews.go.com...

Roughly every fifteen days now.

But this American carnage ends right here and ends right now..... sure it does.

I'm assuming you are for getting rid of all those nasty gun thingeys and then everything will be fine.

Then every Christian, then every Jew...

You know, those religious radicals.

Then a little bit of a purge (For America!!!) to get rid of those who don't think like the left...

Then those that are left will just settle in comfortably and just be proud to be part of the 4th Reich.

/facepalm

To the OP, sad that there are crazies out there.

Too bad there are gun-free zones where this can happen.

Christians don't kill people, but guns do (once more).

A gun is an inanimate object.

So no, guns don't kill people.

Hard to get into a serious conversation with someone who can't comprehend that.

Christians kill people all the time, actually... although the motive is generally not their religion.

Exactly, and hows the irony - the purp was shot and killed by the parishioner in his church.

Thoust shall not kill. Clear to see that parishioner takes his religion seriously.

I know you were just trying to be a troll, because you're the kind of scum who will try to exploit something like this, but for anyone who sees this and is actually interested in learning, Christianity does not bar you from killing in self-defense. There are numerous Bible verses that make it clear you're totally justified in killing someone else for defense purposes. This is the kind of nonsense that uneducated idiots spout to try to attack religion.

a reply to: SimpleIdea

In our area, the video shows it was local teens that are copying crap they think is cool off the internet, and they think they are bad ass. Three have gone missing because their parents have pulled the plug on financing their inappropriate behavior, only one has been found so far, so I hope their lesson was not a final one. In the video you posted, it showed the vandals were a bit old to be considered teens.

It is a dangerous game they are playing. They seem to think they are safe because they don't believe the church or the parishioners will fight back. They don't realize all the people that attend church are not dyed in the wool Christians. A lot, and I do mean a lot, of them are people like me. Folk that are not religious, and support the local churches because of how they generously provide for the community. We won't have any problems fighting back.

The saving grace in this situation is that the numbers seem to be few that are actually going mental, and with a bit of backlash, I think those numbers will be further reduced.

I got hit back in 2014 when one of my houses was vacant and being renovated. My case was a bunch of hoodlum brats between the ages of 9 and 13. All I got from the parents was a bunch of lip, and even more excuses. I am still paying off that disaster. Everybody is not going to be like me. I felt sorry for the brats after dealing with the parents. I actually could see why the children were the way they were. Those children, if they are up to the same antics would be between 14 and 18, think about how much damage they can do now.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: SimpleIdea

I got hit back in 2014 when one of my houses was vacant and being renovated. My case was a bunch of hoodlum brats between the ages of 9 and 13. All I got from the parents was a bunch of lip, and even more excuses. I am still paying off that disaster. Everybody is not going to be like me. I felt sorry for the brats after dealing with the parents. I actually could see why the children were the way they were. Those children, if they are up to the same antics would be between 14 and 18, think about how much damage they can do now.

This sadly doesn't surprise me at all. People giving this younger generation hell forget that it's my generation, millennials, who are raising them. And there's too many of us like those parents who take zero responsibility. Not only are they oblivious to the fact their kids are doing anything wrong, the very notion that they might have done something wrong raising them is unthinkable. So no, you can't tell them anything. Oh my kid broke your window? Well, # you.

originally posted by: CthruU

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Well its been two weeks right?

abcnews.go.com...

Roughly every fifteen days now.

But this American carnage ends right here and ends right now..... sure it does.

I'm assuming you are for getting rid of all those nasty gun thingeys and then everything will be fine.

Then every Christian, then every Jew...

You know, those religious radicals.

Then a little bit of a purge (For America!!!) to get rid of those who don't think like the left...

Then those that are left will just settle in comfortably and just be proud to be part of the 4th Reich.

/facepalm

To the OP, sad that there are crazies out there.

Too bad there are gun-free zones where this can happen.

Christians don't kill people, but guns do (once more).

A gun is an inanimate object.

So no, guns don't kill people.

Hard to get into a serious conversation with someone who can't comprehend that.

Christians kill people all the time, actually... although the motive is generally not their religion.

Exactly, and hows the irony - the purp was shot and killed by the parishioner in his church.

Thoust shall not kill. Clear to see that parishioner takes his religion seriously.

Ex-FBI Agent Takes Out Church Gunman: www.foxnews.com...

Maybe Jewish Worshippers will start carrying guns. They get violent visitors too.

Next, we arm certain teachers in every school.

originally posted by: CthruU

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Well its been two weeks right?

abcnews.go.com...

Roughly every fifteen days now.

But this American carnage ends right here and ends right now..... sure it does.

I'm assuming you are for getting rid of all those nasty gun thingeys and then everything will be fine.

Then every Christian, then every Jew...

You know, those religious radicals.

Then a little bit of a purge (For America!!!) to get rid of those who don't think like the left...

Then those that are left will just settle in comfortably and just be proud to be part of the 4th Reich.

/facepalm

To the OP, sad that there are crazies out there.

Too bad there are gun-free zones where this can happen.

Christians don't kill people, but guns do (once more).

A gun is an inanimate object.

So no, guns don't kill people.

Hard to get into a serious conversation with someone who can't comprehend that.

Christians kill people all the time, actually... although the motive is generally not their religion.

Exactly, and hows the irony - the purp was shot and killed by the parishioner in his church.

Thoust shall not kill. Clear to see that parishioner takes his religion seriously.

Defense of one’s self and the protection of the innocent is perfectly acceptable, at least in the Catholic Church. The prohibition on killing pertains to the killing of innocent lives.

Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.

I know you’re trying to troll, but maybe somebody else will actually want to learn.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Gun laws only effect the people that you don't have to worry about in the first place.

originally posted by: CthruU

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Well its been two weeks right?

abcnews.go.com...

Roughly every fifteen days now.

But this American carnage ends right here and ends right now..... sure it does.

I'm assuming you are for getting rid of all those nasty gun thingeys and then everything will be fine.

Then every Christian, then every Jew...

You know, those religious radicals.

Then a little bit of a purge (For America!!!) to get rid of those who don't think like the left...

Then those that are left will just settle in comfortably and just be proud to be part of the 4th Reich.

/facepalm

To the OP, sad that there are crazies out there.

Too bad there are gun-free zones where this can happen.

Christians don't kill people, but guns do (once more).

A gun is an inanimate object.

So no, guns don't kill people.

Hard to get into a serious conversation with someone who can't comprehend that.

Christians kill people all the time, actually... although the motive is generally not their religion.

Exactly, and hows the irony - the purp was shot and killed by the parishioner in his church.

Thoust shall not kill. Clear to see that parishioner takes his religion seriously.

Was not a parishioner, was armed security, there were armed parishioners..I imagine one of them would of gotten the shooter eventually

ID of shooter has apparently been revealed;

www.nbcdfw.com...