Screw Income Equality

The problem with the income equality movement of the Democrats is that it really is just a thinly disguised version of Marxist redistribution of income. Some Congress people have made millions and have multiple homes while promoting excessive taxation which really hurts the common people. While doing this, they engage in rhetoric of punishing wealthy people and CEOs in the name of helping the unwashed masses( of which they clearly are not part of). This is why we have people like AOC who are clearly not doing this just for the public interest. How could she demand higher pay and wear the best clothing on the taxpayer dime while claiming to be worried about everyone else ? Same with Sanders. Why don’t their supporters see the blatant hypocrisy?

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
The problem with the income equality movement of the Democrats is that it really is just a thinly disguised version of Marxist redistribution of income. Some Congress people have made millions and have multiple homes while promoting excessive taxation which really hurts the common people. While doing this, they engage in rhetoric of punishing wealthy people and CEOs in the name of helping the unwashed masses( of which they clearly are not part of). This is why we have people like AOC who are clearly not doing this just for the public interest. How could she demand higher pay and wear the best clothing on the taxpayer dime while claiming to be worried about everyone else ? Same with Sanders. Why don’t their supporters see the blatant hypocrisy?

I read up on Andrew Yangs 1000 to everyone. How is he going to do it???? We already know.... TAXES.

How does he justify it, well he claims the corporations already do it...

How lame is that. It basically reiterated what Edumakated said, it will only make everything go up in price and we'd land in the exact same spot.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Probably because the other side refuses to recognize a problem or offer a solution. Right or wrong at least the left is willing to recognize a problem and attempt to do something to fix it and not ignore it or worse.

You want the desperate masses on your side, stop ignoring them and start offering solutions and stop treating the desperate masses being desperate as a left vs right issue. You can recognize the issues of the desperate masses without being left wing.

Part of the reason Hillary lost is because she's so crony ain't nobody convinced she gives two #s about the plight of workers, and in fact is the vampire of vampires.

The right is the same thing but not to the degree of Hillary.

Trump won because he was different and thus help was possible. Hillary offered no chance, she's a crony capitalist political mercenary through and through.

Stop ignoring the plight of workers and pretending it's not a problem and start offering solutions that can work for us as a whole not just the rare super human.

originally posted by: fleabit
A UBI that goes to every adult citizen is unfair how again? The biggest problem a lot of people have is they have no empathy. Have a child with a disability that requires you to stay home and live off one income? Too bad!! People would rather they also don't get extra cash each month, than see others get "free money."

Tell me this - if every adult could be given a 1k check a month and it had literally no negative financial impact on our country, would you still be against it? I think a lot of you would. The "I earn my money from hard work, so no one else deserves money they don't get from hard work!" mindset is sad to me. Would some people waste the money given them from a UBI? Sure. That doesn't mean you should never do it. There are a lot of cases where extra cash would help those in need.

Think 30 years in the future when a large % of our jobs have become automated - what then? If you can't get a niche job that isn't automated, just screw you then? One day, the goal for mankind should be that people do not HAVE to work their lives away. They can spend time with family, can do things that are creative or inventive or whatever.. and still live a good life. No one lays on their death bed and says "I wish I could have worked more hours in my life."

I seriously don't get some of your mindsets - you think suffering, work, living a paltry life is how life should be for others. Instead of forward thinking - that heaven forbid, people actually enjoy living their lives.

Yes. Even many lefties have their issues with the UBI, and not only because it's being promoted by Silicon Valley. In order to prevent a neoliberal hijacking, of a solid idea to fight poverty, we'd need to make it happen on a global scale, and in a way that doesn't raise conflicts with existing social security systems.

Which is why a strong focus on equally important issues like Free Healthcare should accompany the discussion. Fix the whole system, not the wallet of a few lucky (and healthy) ones only!

However. The spirit of this thread reminds me of the late stages in Ayn Rand's life, we might all need social robot services and an UBI in...

The End...

originally posted by: fleabit
A UBI that goes to every adult citizen is unfair how again? The biggest problem a lot of people have is they have no empathy. Have a child with a disability that requires you to stay home and live off one income? Too bad!! People would rather they also don't get extra cash each month, than see others get "free money."

Tell me this - if every adult could be given a 1k check a month and it had literally no negative financial impact on our country, would you still be against it? I think a lot of you would. The "I earn my money from hard work, so no one else deserves money they don't get from hard work!" mindset is sad to me. Would some people waste the money given them from a UBI? Sure. That doesn't mean you should never do it. There are a lot of cases where extra cash would help those in need.

Think 30 years in the future when a large % of our jobs have become automated - what then? If you can't get a niche job that isn't automated, just screw you then? One day, the goal for mankind should be that people do not HAVE to work their lives away. They can spend time with family, can do things that are creative or inventive or whatever.. and still live a good life. No one lays on their death bed and says "I wish I could have worked more hours in my life."

I seriously don't get some of your mindsets - you think suffering, work, living a paltry life is how life should be for others. Instead of forward thinking - that heaven forbid, people actually enjoy living their lives.

Yes. Even many lefties have their issues with the UBI, and not only because it's being promoted by Silicon Valley. In order to prevent a neoliberal hijacking, of a solid idea to fight poverty, we'd need to make it happen on a global scale, and in a way that doesn't raise conflicts with existing social security systems.

Which is why a strong focus on equally important issues like Free Healthcare should accompany the discussion. Fix the whole system, not the wallet of a few lucky (and healthy) ones only!

However. The spirit of this thread reminds me of the late stages in Ayn Rand's life, we might all need social robot services and an UBI in...

The End...

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Observationalist

I lump factory work in with manual labor. So not everyone I'm talking about gets to work outside.

Even factory workers need to be detailed oriented with math and problem solving skills to operate safely the tools and machinery in the factory. Not only that but their skills are being utilized in real time. One mistake can cost the companies productivity. Where as in the office you can just hit backspace or undo every time you make a mistake. Imagine if they track how many times you hit the backspace and undo button on your computer to determine your productivity level.


I don’t think all office work is bad, it’s the idea of, ‘if I can just get to an office job then I’ll be better off’ mind set that I think is bad. Don’t take a job just because it’s safer or cushioned, take a job that fits your passion.

Well you need both manual and office workers to run a company, one body with many parts. it’s the CEO who has the big responsibility of putting the right people in the right positions. A good CEO can set that culture of one team, to help employees work to a common goal. It’s about getting excited about the process and not needed to justify pay discrepancies.


BTW: Please pay the Humans Resources Manager a ton. That job takes a combination of skills not many have, especially HR mangers here in California.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Observationalist

No one is truly happy staring at computer for 8 hours in a cubical prison. The only reason people choose that is because it’s familiar. It feels just like school but now you get paid. It’s easy money.

You obviously don't know enough nerds/geeks... 8 hours is nuthin...

That was great

Well a nerd is a builder too but with different tools. They have the same sense of satisfaction of seeing something go from concept to reality jus as a construction worker. They build their part of the program just like a framer builds his part of the house. Same passion different resources and tools.

So the geek is not stuck behind the computer printing TPS reports all day.
He is behind a computer and it’s like playing in mud to him.

If computers are your mud then go play in the mud and hopefully someone can pay you to play.

Well said op.

People will always invest differently with some being successful and some losing.

Equality is a fairy land tale .

The ones who bitch and complain are the ones not willing to work 6 days a week and long hours.

But there are instances where people do very little and make way too much.

a reply to: Edumakated

There money isn't "horded". Billionaires are not sitting on piles of cash in their basement and lighting cigars with $100 bills like some Scrooge McDuck carton. Their networth is typically tied up in stock ownership. They can't even access all the money. You could be worth say $10 billion, but may only have access to a fraction of that money. You can't sell all your stock as it would crash the stock price of the company.

The "hoarding" is built into the system. I confidently believe that when the grid goes down (and it will), they will all be wishing they'd had $100 bills to burn. In developing countries, a pound of pennies is a lottery jackpot.

a reply to: Bloodworth

Because a universe where all anyone ever does is work is the future we should all hope for and work for.

We'll know we've succeeded as a species when everyone wakes up, goes to work for 15 hours, goes to sleep and then goes back to work, only breaking to eat and shower, seven days a week.

I was working seventy hours a week, I no longer can due to health reasons. I'm such a #ing loser, how dare I and others not be supermen, we need to get with the program. How dare I reduce my hours down to 45.

a reply to: Observationalist

Even factory workers need to be detailed oriented with math and problem solving skills to operate safely the tools and machinery in the factory. Not only that but their skills are being utilized in real time. One mistake can cost the companies productivity.

Applies to front line and mid-management retail employees as well. I live this every day.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Bloodworth

Because a universe where all anyone ever does is work is the future we should all hope for and work for.

We'll know we've succeeded as a species when everyone wakes up, goes to work for 15 hours, goes to sleep and then goes back to work, only breaking to eat and shower, seven days a week.

I was working seventy hours a week, I no longer can due to health reasons. I'm such a #ing loser, how dare I and others not be supermen, we need to get with the program. How dare I reduce my hours down to 45.

To say only supermen, or the like can get ahead in this country is false, it's lazy, it's downright sad.

Take your frustration and put it into something useful. It does not matter if you have health issues, there are ways to earn money with very little physical might and very little upfront income. There are so many ways to earn money online it's ridiculous. Sell photos, sell on ebay, write a blog, create a youtube channel, dropship on amazon, become an influencer. If you have a skill, share it, write an ebook, make a webpage and sell advertising space. The largest earning youtuber started out all by giving his advice on raising pets.

I'll give you a perfect example. I like to take photos as a hobby. I read about shutterstock. Out of curiosity I gave it a try and uploaded 20 photos.
To my surprise in a couple of days I earned .75 cents. I know that doesn't sound like a lot, but if I were serious and uploaded thousand and thousand of photos that could grow exponentially.

a reply to: JAGStorm

People like puppylove have no "hustle". The spend more time complaining than hustling to better their position. It is relatively easy to make money. Most people just don't have the patience or know how to do it.

We have a friend who started a "mommy blog." She and her husband make enough from it that it is their full time job now replacing high paid corporate jobs.

Both wife and I have busy corporate jobs. However, we are in the process of starting a new business on the side.

Well the US is built with capitalism , a free market economy.
There is really only two words to describe this system. That's greed and avarice. Pure and simple .It's a proven fact that the people who succeed in this atmosphere are psychopathic. That's psychopathic as in murderers. "The killer instinct" to make hard decisions. But more importantly NO EMPATHY.
And you think these people will have any empathy for anyone below them, that means the poor. Naaah.

originally posted by: crayzeed
Well the US is built with capitalism , a free market economy.
There is really only two words to describe this system. That's greed and avarice. Pure and simple .It's a proven fact that the people who succeed in this atmosphere are psychopathic. That's psychopathic as in murderers. "The killer instinct" to make hard decisions. But more importantly NO EMPATHY.
And you think these people will have any empathy for anyone below them, that means the poor. Naaah.

If you are successful you are psychopathic, now I've heard it all...

What about successful people that help the poor, are they too psychopathic and have avarice for the poor?

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Bloodworth

Because a universe where all anyone ever does is work is the future we should all hope for and work for.

We'll know we've succeeded as a species when everyone wakes up, goes to work for 15 hours, goes to sleep and then goes back to work, only breaking to eat and shower, seven days a week.

I was working seventy hours a week, I no longer can due to health reasons. I'm such a #ing loser, how dare I and others not be supermen, we need to get with the program. How dare I reduce my hours down to 45.

Its good for the body and mind to stay busy.
Idle time leads to no good and bad health.

Especially when your older, keep moving stay busy or the grim reaper comes a knocking much sooner.

And its been like this since day 1.

Certain groups always worked for bigger and better and a brighter future.

Other groups were more live off the land types.

And you can tell by looking at the progress of these civilizations

Equality....not even close...some groups are just smarter and harder working then others.

And is why some civilizations progress decades further along then others

a reply to: JAGStorm

Donating the financial equivelent of pocket change for themselves in exchange for the appearance of goodwill and a tax write off.

a reply to: Bloodworth

In moderation. There's balance to all things. There's also the difference of how that time is spent. Pretending that working all the time is good for society or mental health is absurd.

Yes people need to stay active. People also need love, support, friends, time to recuperate, and parents. All thing devestated by too much working.

a reply to: Edumakated

Way to assume stuff about me personally.

Sorry I don't think about and spend my days trying to make and obsess about making money everyday. I feel saddened and sickened that people not only have that expectation of others, but think it's an admirable trait.

I often sacrifice my own time and what little money I can spare helping clients and others in need. When I see people that need help, I stop and help as I can if I can. I took in my girlfriend, knowing she'd been through massive trauma and it would take time and lots of sacrifice before she'd be stable enough to contribute.

Could I not do any of this and be better off financially? Sure probably, but I would say I'd be far from a better person for it. Some of my effort has literally saved lives. From clients to my girlfriend who was on the brink of starving to death.

There are people who would literally be dead if I put an obsession with money over giving a damn about others.

I reiterate, I am saddened by a world where seeking the almighty dollar is promoted over and above being a giving human being.

I and many choose to spend our time helping and caring for others, and we deserve to suffer for it. That's basically what your mentality supports.

a reply to: Puppylove

But the democrats really are not offering anything, they propose taxing the rich... sounds great, they are the rich so they leave giant loop holes the rich that can afford multiple tax attorneys can find which leaves the burden inevitably falling on the middle class.


That's been how it goes for decades they are more likely to vote in term limits than a tax law that actually hits the rich.