musings on bigfoot's elusiveness

originally posted by: JohnnyAnonymous
I was watching Nathan Reo's video's

I looked on and off for 2 nearly months for that video of his:

www.youtube.com...

I went to his channel and went through all his listed videos. But I found nothing. Then yesterday I found it by accident because i had posted it here 2 years ago. So last night I went home and tried to watch it on my TV, typing the correct name in. But I found NOTHING?

I notice the video has been seen over 50,000 times. Yet it also says "Unlisted" in the left corner above the number of views. How can we watch it here but not find it when we search?

I guess after all these years I will be forced to sign up with Youtube just to talk to Reo and find out what is going on.

If the government knew the Big ones were right there in Utah, I think they would just remove the video. There is nothing offensive in the video, so what is going on here?

And PS: if you cannot answer your mailbox, I will understand that it is something you cannot talk about.

a reply to: seagull

Not sure if I posted this video link here already, but it shows a sighting map of North America and then goes down to street level. At the 3:40 mark it looks like the area of your Walla Walla sighting is actually highlighted.

About 14 minutes in it talks about a female hunchback.

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect

originally posted by: JohnnyAnonymous
I was watching Nathan Reo's video's

I looked on and off for 2 nearly months for that video of his:

www.youtube.com...

I went to his channel and went through all his listed videos. But I found nothing.

Yeau he made a video that he was packing it all in (all very mysterious) and he deleted his BF video's off of YouTube and that was about all we heard from him.. Then a few months ago he resurfaced and most all his videos are about his addiction and the kicking of it and getting healthy again.

So kudos to him!
Johnny

Author/Researcher/Habituater Christopher Noël just released a very interesting video on a subject that we've discussed in and out of this thread on the hair and examination of it and how 'it might' work to the Bipeds favor in camouflage. I found it fascinating and like the presentation.

**ETA** This presentation is made up by the research and work of various one's including; MK Davis, Mark Zaskey, Kerry Arnold, Daniela Agliolo, and SnowWhiteBigfoot.

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous
Thanks great video mate - native lore also describes the same.


1970's:

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous
Thanks great video mate - native lore also describes the same.
1970's: V I D E O W A S H E R E

Thanks Karl... brings back fond memories and the "In Search Of Series was well done information wise too... We really didn't have much of any other outlets for the Strange, UFO and Psuedo-Science dept.

And you got to admit and remember that now a days weve heard pretty much all the different ideas in the Woo area with BigFoot/Sasquatch/Yowie. But back then... this was very radical 'out of the box' crazy thinking, the kind that would get you shunned by the family, lose a job over, get beat up, labeled as 'the crazy guy that believes not only in UFO's but that Bigfoot and the Aliens party together!


Johnny

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

Who gives a monkeys what people think?
You've got to follow the data mate.
UFO and cryptids turn up globally all the time.

originally posted by: karl 12
a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

Who gives a monkeys what people think?
You've got to follow the data mate.
UFO and cryptids turn up globally all the time.

I'm with you 100%... my previous over the board statement was if we were living back 49 years ago in the 70's (instead of 2019) that there would be more ridicule.

Sorry, it's my fault for not explaining it better,
Johnny

Have been watching a good Historical presentation of the Yowie (and other named crypto-bipeds) dating back as far as 1870's.. Perhaps you might be interested too in the historical background and the author is not long-winded.

a reply to: dlbott

Sorry dont read much on this. But mostly I think everything that needs to be said about bigfoot likely has been said. Or at least as much as people need know. But your going on like being 8 foot and 400 pounds is some great achievement. I knew people who were 6 foot something and over 400 pounds, and they got around fine.

They would not make great cross country hikers or long distance runners, but were more nimble for there size then people would realize. Also, probably try in the 600 to 800 pounds range for some of these bigfoot. And no there calorie intake would not be that great. Most omnivores can sustain that easily snacking on nuts and berrys as they go along.

And you got to remember some of the biggest and largest animals were herbivores and omnivores. Brown bears and elk, get up those weights easy, and dont forget some of the largest land animlas that have lived, what do you think elephants eat, and the places they live at, are basically deserts compared to the west coast of the US or Canada and alaska, heck even syberia is more lush then most of the parts elephents are at in africa.

And how much does an elephant weigh? Pretty hefty fellows for mostly eating bush.


Theres plenty of food out there if your not picky, and humans are not anything if not picky. Also not build to eat pretty much anything like others. Polar bears may not be thriving, but there not likley to go extinct any time soon. Also they dont have the range bigfoot seems to have. In fact no animal does, and that includes wolves and bears and # even caribou.

If your a nomad and traveling hundreads to thousands of miles on who knows what. That is pretty damn impressive. In fact in my book much more impressive then having pixel cameras on your cell phone and even satellites in space. Humans with all there tech and fancy backpacks and gear, cant achieve a fraction of that. As for hiding? Well did you see those last vids about those dudes or whoever they were, that were walking across mountain ranges?

Dont think they need to hide much unless there close to cities or towns.

And then. Its not hard. At night, humans are deaf dumb and blind. At day, there basically just tunnel vision bots. I know spend more then once outside at night, its a whole another world. As for having all this technology with people and cellphone cameras so why is there no video proff of bigfoot.

That's just ridiculous, as you can probably count on one hand the total amount of people that would be were bigfoot goes by on any given day or night. And that is out of the whole total human population, all what? So out of the 6 to 7 Billion of them, maybe 5 would be out there in there range, if even that.

Really if you want to find bigfoot, should not be hard. Get packed up, and head to local wild land, go into the woods trekking for a week or so, maybe a month.

And your bound to run into something thats for sure. Though I would not recommend it.

But if you want to find them, your going to have to look for them, but since its just so much easier for them to spot you long long long before you spot them. Thems not good odds. At all. And pretty much all the vids of people running into them, seem to be either females with young, or juveniles who throw tantrums when one of there spots somehow ends up being occupied by people for whatever reason.


And well, something like this and old vid now of oil workers in Canada, and likely a juvenile throwing a tantrum, it happens. So something is out there, only those who never been out there or blind to it would dispute that. #, even had one I think some years back shake up trees and make noise in my back yard.

I mean could have been a neighbor, and by the noise they were making, could have been anything including bear or deer. But those little pines it was shaking is not easy. Lets just put it this way, i'm 6 feet and 250 pounds, or likely less now a days, I could bench press 300 pounds and squat over 400 pounds multiple times. Or at least back when I still worked out mused to do it daily sometimes. But if I ran full speed shoulder first into those little pines, I would not even move it an inch. Much less shake it back and forth like nothing.

So just strange happenings. But I would not want to be caught cross country hiking across mountain ranges with one of them, even while armed, not like its likely to happen, unless there just daydreaming while going for days and days trekking which happens I suppose, because your in your own head hiking after the first few minutes, much less the first few hundred miles.

Also, we got plenty of humans, I say we need more bigfoot, its getting lame here on planet dirt with all these humans, its good to spice things up once in a while. You know increase the diversity or else the retardness of it all will be much to all encompassing. Besides once humans go extinct, maybe give bigfoot a chance at it. It would be kind of redundant the whole planet of the apes thing again, but then again. Bigfoot and humans have a whole and completely different evolutionary tree and path. So I am all for it.

originally posted by: JohnnyAnonymous

I'm with you 100%... my previous over the board statement was if we were living back 49 years ago in the 70's (instead of 2019) that there would be more ridicule.

No worries amigo - I misunderstood and totally agree that people seem less prone to suffer ridicule these days when testifying to poltergeist/UFO/Cryptid/MIBs activity - maybe society as a whole is becoming more aware of the sheer number of freaky reports (or more attuned to concepts like IDH, window areas, superspectrums etc) -whatever the case it's all very interesting.

Am halfway through the Paul Cropper presentation - fascinating stuff!

Don't know if this has been placed up before on ATS or not (probably so...)

But it's a good story if true.. and if not true, it's still a good story. Supposedly by a Firefighter in 1999 and since I've been interested in the old "did we find bodies after the Mt. St. Helen's eruption", this falls right into the same category.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: dlbott

Sorry dont read much on this. But mostly I think everything that needs to be said about bigfoot likely has been said. Or at least as much as people need know.


Dont think they need to hide much unless there close to cities or towns.

I disagree since there is plenty more to be said and until normal regular folk get it thru their heads that this world is a much less safer place than they've been "cotton balled" into believing. Additionally we only know as much as people have shared to date.

Doesn't mean that some people don't know more, just that it hasn't been broadcast on the internet ... yet.

Too many groups that we would consider as primary clearing houses for bigfoot reports also withhold information. The BFRO is one. So by default you could consider them a biased source. This gives us a VERY skewed data set to extrapolate from. It's actually much like Bigelow and the MUFON data.

To be clear it's also their prerogative, but one I don't agree with.

originally posted by: Caver78
This gives us a VERY skewed data set to extrapolate from. It's actually much like Bigelow and the MUFON data.

To be clear it's also their prerogative, but one I don't agree with.

I'll second that on the first part, and on the 2nd part... I'm sure that transparency regarding whatever deal was made wasn't on the table at any time.

**on the 3rd part**
agreed, but as an amateur researcher/investigator....I don't have to like it either.


Johnny

originally posted by: JohnnyAnonymous
EXPEDITION BIGFOOT[/url]

I missed the first one but I watched the second episode of Expedition last night. It was Finding Bigfoot meets Hunting Hitler. Not bad, no yowling or beating on trees. But you have to figure with a 3 party group (speaker, cameraman and soundman) they are sure to only bring around the most curios Squatch. I will watch all of them, very relaxing for a Sunday night.

I just thought some of you may find this interesting.

You already know I think bigfoot is an ape like us and probably originally some kind of giant chimpanzee before they hybridized with humans so I found this interesting.

chimpanzee behavior akin to those alleged about Bigfoot

It has sex with humans and have had children with humans like that Russian Alma that was caught and lived as a human.

Even native Americans have similar stories.

Humans are primates and apes themselves.

If it looks like a duck, walks, like a duck, quacks like a duck... Chances are, it's a duck.

a reply to: reject

Great article!


The first question that came to mind was, since testing on many alleged bigfoot samples have been done why is it we always get told "bear" as the canned response? Bear is almost always the default which I always found odd. Surely someone found some wolverine, wolf , buffalo, horse, or moose hair and was mistaken?

The odds of that many people finding ONLY bear hair seem astronomical.

a reply to: Caver78

A couple times, dna came back human; if dr. Melba Ketchum is to be believed.

a reply to: reject

I have great respect for Dr. Ketchum.
She took on a monumental can of worms an the unwarranted abuse was shameful. Outrageously Shameful.

Probably wan't as clear as I'd meant to be about most results defaulting to "Bear". In considering your point of view and reading the article I'm surprised that no samples came back with any variant of "Chimp DNA". Supposing for just a minute that the REAL cover up is North America has 8-12ft tall Chimps running around and not 1/2 Human-!/2 whatever's then I can see how the scary factor just goes thru the roof.

While Chimps can be alright on an individual basis, they can also be fairly violent.
Most of the news articles about the different primates in overseas countries treat them as either nuisances or menaces.
(Jane Goodall and her Mt Gorilla's excepted)

But then you have to ask yourself if bigfoot is nothing more than a giant chimp what's the problem our gov't has in treating them like any other kind of wildlife? There shouldn't be the insane amount of denial and secrecy by DNR personnel. Altho their denial of "out of place" large cats mystifies me as well.

Here in my state they reintroduced Elk years ago an are in denial about Cougars. Ahem....what did they think was going to happen? Increase prey animals an you are also going to increase predators. Who didn't see that one coming?

But if it's as you propose, bigfoot are giant chimps then what's all the hoopla about?

originally posted by: Caver78
a reply to: reject
While Chimps can be alright on an individual basis, they can also be fairly violent.
....
But then you have to ask yourself if bigfoot is nothing more than a giant chimp what's the problem our gov't has in treating them like any other kind of wildlife?

Those are great questions and I've often pondered them myself and have tried to come up with various theories... but for some reason I always seem to come back to two thoughts... Economy or more bluntly Macro-Economics, with all things woody. (IE: Forest Visitors, Real Estate in the woods, Occupations in the Woods, etc.).

The last thought being that if we do share more than similar body & mind attributes, this could throw the evangelical groups in a panic (hence we get the Nephelim/Demons theory in the mix.

The above isn't a truth.. it's only a theory of mine that I've noticed some lean towards based on conjecture just in case I get stones tossed at me.. (hey, Chimps toss stones... Sasquatch/Bigfoot/Yowie toss stones... what are the odds I'd use that in my post)?

AnyWho...

So I've been interested in the Chimp/BigFoot/Man theories for awhile and I'm including a video that I thought was fascinating, one that hadn't clicked for me till I watched and listened to this video presentation. My presenting this is in no way meant to change your personal thoughts or beliefs.. It's just one of (many) "what The Heck" concepts I pit in my HUH? file cabinet.

Apologies for any Christians or religious folks I offend by posting these up... it's simply for entertainment and expanding one's concept's of (other) theories. It is an interesting part of the Chimps relation to hierarchy.

This is based on the conversation between Caver/Reject above on Chimps together can be lethal.




This one is an interesting part of the Chimps relation to hierarchy (and similarity to humans in the actions). Chimps paying homage to their leader.




This bottom one is solely for an educational/entertaining slice because I'm also interested in the bluff charges and displays of intimidation. I'm attracted to these because if they all display similar actions, this could help save a researchers life and limb if confronted (maybe, conjecture).

But look at how close these guys get to the target of their charge. (Plus it's a great display of footwork).




Johnny