musings on bigfoot's elusiveness

a reply to: reject

Good one!
Are you done yanking my chain yet????
ROFL!!!

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

blinks < pun intended >

humans can only see 1% of the visible light spectrum

please - everyone read that - and read it again till the absurdity of the claim sinks in

Err.. Ok. I've read it several times, checked with NASA, they agree, checked with other sources, they agree, so I'll try a different illustration.



This picture may help you putting things in perspective. The tiny bit of spectrum we can see with our eyes is about 300nm to 900nm. On the high wave length side, it reaches to infinite and on the low side to levels of Plank length -34th power of ten.

Some animals see a different spectrum.


Johnny (Mr. Absurdity)

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

FFS - i give up

read it again :

humans can only see 1% of the visible light spectrum

NASA does NOT agree with you - read thier version more carefully - it actually differs to yours

one word - just one - but its critical - and very visible in the 2 versios - as its absent from NASA claims

If your referring to the 1% visible range.. Less than 1% of all light that reaches us is in the visible spectrum. By most estimates it comes out to about . 0035% of the entire electromagnetic spectrum. So because the human eye is incredibly limited in its range, we see only that one tiny fraction of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Would that work better for you?

Interesting fun fact.

The old purple lensed sunglasses that hippies used to wear? Yeah...much like a camera filter they help you see in one spectrum that humans normally don't. It's an OLD psychic's trick to help you see aura's.

On the upside, when your done scoffing an laughing it also trains your brain to see cloud iridescence that ISN't yet visible to the naked eye.( because the light isn't refracting it strongly enough) The sunglasses will enhance it easily. I've mentioned before in this thread that humans are visually, auditory handicapped compared to other animal species common to the great outdoors. Not sure why we're debating known facts?

a reply to: Caver78

No wonder some of those Hippies had such great 'trips'.

Speaking of Deep Purple (no not the group):
I've played with purple and violet filters on my cameras and telescopes, it's always fun to view things in a different light. I have one Ultraviolet lense that you can literally hold up to the Sun and view with the naked eye (wouldn't suggest it tho), but I say this as were discussing spectrum's and frequencies.

Sort of off-topic
If I recall correctly, didn't the Vampire in the Movie "Dracula" with Winona Ryder and Gary Oldman have purple glasses?

We can't see magnetism but we can see the magnet.

We can't see radiation but we can see the uranium and/or other radioactive materials emitting them.

We can't see infrared but we can see the l.e.d.

We can't see everything that it emits but we can see the sun.

Just because something emits something we can't see doesn't make the source/target invisible.

What's that got to do with the price of fish?

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

Nice catch, but wrong color gradient of the purple...
If the purple is the right shade, the yellow lines on the road become this vivid safety yellow. China used to pump them out like crazy but they've fallen out of favor with the smokey an yellow kind that cut glare.


IIRC that color purple in a filter is being used to bring out detail in alleged bigfoot photo's by some researchers.
Just no one remembered the old wire sunglasses are basically the same thing.

a reply to: Caver78
I would not loath the lesser primates to any great degree, watching the chimps in there troops go about there daily business. Is not to far akin to watching peoples in the far past go about there day, from ancient Mesopotamia to ancient Greece and Rome its not hard to draw parallels.

But I agree with you on this whole bigfoot fetish and cashcow, I don't even want to call it that, because its not likely that people are rolling in the dough over bigfoot, compared to all the other shenanigans people get up to, its far from it that's for sure. But will be people, and you draw a line in the sand on anything. Your likely to get people moving on one side or the other, some just for #z and giggles, and they may be the wiser ones, as nothing ever really matters in the end.

Whats that quote by somebody who I forgot now. The massive cemeteries of wars of the past, are full of true believers. Or some such. Or maybe I just made that # up now, sometimes it happens. But! Once again, not much different behavior then the troop of chimps in the national geographic documentaries.

Though that vid you posted is interesting. You dont get many people who have been out there and seen something come out. I would not bother if I were them as well, and not many have been out there really deep, because frankly? Its not all that much fun. I only just go from time to time hiking or camping, rarely take weapons but just campstuff or my compound bow. And even that is a pain to drag around. But if I was doing it for a living, or spending that much time out there, would not be a second away from a weapon just on general principle.

The dude made some credible points, but reading the responses in that video its getting a bit to dramatic with the whole he said she said, even that Joe Rogan riff. The dude makes a good podcast and watch it sometimes, but he is far from the expert on many things, even though he brings many things to the lime light, also pretty sure his days of lurking in the back on ATS are long over, but ya, communication between people is almost impossible people will even argue on there favorite Pokemon.

And communication between interspecies is just none existent, I would not recommend anything other then treating Bigfoot but just another wild animal out there somewhere. Its not a good or bad situation, its just something that just is, kind of like not steeping on a rattlesnake while walking through high grass, or going into a den and poking bear with a long stick to see what happens.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: Caver78
because its not likely that people are rolling in the dough over bigfoot

Canon cameras used to have their advertising built around photos of rare animals. If I took a good clear photo of a real Bigfoot with my Canon camera I would copy it and cut it into parts and blow them up. Then I would try to sell my negative to Canon for a million dollars, by sending them only a photo copy of the eye. They would ask to see more and I would send them a photo copy of the mouth. Then the nose. Then I would say send someone out to see the real photo.

But I would probably get paid little or no money for it, even though once it saw the light of day it would become one of the most famous and argued over photos in the world.

Because if no one bought the negative then I would be forced to copy it out and distribute it to Meldrum and other specialist who believe in the creature and would take it seriously.

A real photo of a real Bigfoot could be worthless monetarily for sale, but could be nearly invaluable in the long run of the legend.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

There are some very good videos and pictures from the Everglades.

They are being dismissed as apes on the loose.

What do they think bigfoot is?

There's this guy from the Midwest that biked and walked on bike trails a lot when he was there.

Sometimes he chanced upon deer or it's kind there but there's this one time he claims he was surprised to see a chimpanzee just standing there looking at him from head to toe.

He can't remember the color but it wasn't black and actually think it's light colored.

At the time he didn't think about Bigfoot at all.

Didn't make nothing of it and never mentioned it to anyone.

Granted, originally, Bigfoot may be a different kind of an ape straddling the 1% difference between humans and chimpanzees and may be able to breed with both.

WTF do they expect it to look like?

A magical, glowing, transparent ghost like being?

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

You make some very good points. Your quote about the cemeteries was also very true an apt. The entire topic of bigfoot has become incredibly polarizing.

The deal is tho in general you are never going to convince anyone unless you can haul them out into the woods an show them one, when you do they're usually so shocked an terrified by then it doesn't matter who's right. It's kind of a total lose/lose situation.

Switching gears my brain knows that looking at the lesser primates is a window into the past, sort of. The problem is, I at least, react in such a visceral way all common sense flies out the window. It's dare I say a biological reaction to something I consider competition? Even tho my brain knows full well they've peaked out where they are on the evolutionary scale. There was a new development a few years back where they found some variety of primate using tools to chip away at minerals they needed. Kind of like flint knapping?

So now they are evolving, albeit slowly.

a reply to: Caver78

I'm just curious about your uneasiness around monkeys.

Do you happen to be negative of the rhesus factor?

I'm positive and though I am wary of all animals that aren't my pets, I've always felt a closeness to monkeys.

Anyway, monkeys (apart from people) are very adaptable.

They use tools.

Some swim.

Some live in very cold icy climes.

Like a lot of other animals.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect
Oh ya! And whats to stop all that and people from arguing fake or CGI for then next few years on your photo of bigfoot?

Its what happened on that Paterson/Gimlen footage, is it real? Is it fake? How much money did they make off it? And would they not be better off in getting a 9 to 5, or you know, become a banker.

Either way, I do believe people need not concern themselves with bigfoot or the mystery there in. They should focus on things more to there grasp and level. Things such as what Donald Trump had for breakfast and should he be impeached over it.

What can I say some people are just not woke enough to handle that presidents or the whole machine and cog is full of flaws, and that flaws has a name its called people, much less bigfoot, which in my opinion is a much bigger mystery then both Aliens and faeries and the JFK assassination all put together. But perceptions on things may vary, like opinions on conspiracies and bigfoot vary much.

In the end, its just a matter on what your focused on seeing. Not even on sight, because sight and seeing are two different things.

And if they dont know what being woke means. Well here is a definition.

Hope you wont mind my posting up what i considered a pretty decent (public) BFRO Report. It's a class A account.


Report # 36218 (Class A)
Submitted by witness on Saturday, August 11, 2012. Early morning encounter during a rest stop near Florida City

YEAR: 1995

SEASON: Spring

MONTH: March

STATE: Florida

COUNTY: Monroe County

LOCATION DETAILS: Pine Forest Habitat on the Everglades National Park Road (first habitat on the right when heading west)

NEAREST TOWN: florida city everglades national park

NEAREST ROAD: everglades national park road

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OBSERVED: I worked in a nightclub on miami beach called Warsaw Ballroom on Wednesday night we had a members night free drinks until 1 am with a show after which made it a busy but early night after work i went on a trip to Everglades national Parks city called Flamingo I was out of work by 3 am it took one hour to get to the gate of the park entrance which at that time was open and they didnt charge.

Me and my friend arrived by 4 am our plan was to enter the park and go straight across to Flamingo camp out and get up at noon go on a boat tour and hiking tour then stop at the different florida habitats which are on both sides of the road between florida city and flamingo.

On the way back to Miami the next day, When we arrived at the parks entrance we found ourselves super tired and as we started across we decided to stop at the first habitat called pine habitat and take a short nap well we arrived and parked relatively close to a dumpster at the habitat and the temperature was cool but comfortable so we nodded off being there was no one in sight and it was peaceful.

About an hour into my nap i was awakened by my friend who appeared panicked and was motioning me not to make a sound my head was on the glass of the drivers side of the sports car we were in he was shaking and pointing at the glass where my head was touching the window i didnt lift my head i slowly rotated my head around and looked thru the glass which had a metallic limo tint on it the king you can see out but not in and i saw the head and eye of a ape like creature trying to look into the car i got nervous we had a gun in the car which i had a permit for my friend was slowly trying to get it from under the seat but i stepped on his hand and motioned no dont do that the ape-like creature was touching the car and continued to try to see in for a good five to ten minutes i had put a reflector plate that was a lightweight tin foil in the front window as well it was trying to look in the front window it walked over to the dumpster which was about fifteen feet from where we had parked i noticed a really strange odor kinda like a skunk but worse more rotten smelling my friend was holding his nose and about to loose it the creature was nosing through the garbage reaching in it had very long arms and was over six feet tall covered in a reddish brown blondish fur shaggy looking,but very tranquil acting and because i did not see any breasts i assume it was male i really couldn't tell, it didnt find anything in the dumpster it grabbed a McDonalds bag ripped it apart and threw it continuing to lightly pull through the dumpster trash for a good half hour looking back at the car a few times then it started back towards the car

i didnt want to spook it or make it jump on my car or anything it started to walk off past the drivers side front of the car through the pines and by this time it still was not daybreak but getting close and it continued walking in the Northwest direction we sat there and watched it walk into the swamp the only camera we had was in a locked luggage in the trunk of the car and my cell phone did not have a camera neither did my friends , we obviously couldn't sleep so we started up the car and went straight to the other side Flamingo.

When we arrived we napped in the parking lot of the info center and when it opened i went in found a ranger and told him what had happened along with a female park ranger as well they didn't act surprised and they asked if we had taken pictures i explained why we didn't and they jokingly said you didn't shoot at it did you i said i didn't have a gun but wouldn't that be illegal to shoot at wildlife and they said you'd be surprised how many people do shoot at them they said thank you for reporting it but apparently it was a very common thing they didn't ask for my name or even write the report down.

i never filed anything because my mom said people would think i was crazy so i never reported it but it bothered me that i didnt so im reporting it now i assure you i am quite sane and not a prankster if you need any additional info im happy to provide it.

OTHER WITNESSES: yes my best friend at the time and myself and we reported it to two Park Ranger Employees working on the Flamingo end of the park that next morning which was a Thursday morning

OTHER STORIES: No other than the fact the Rangers said it was common place and they even seemed to know by my description which creature i was talking about.

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Follow-up investigation report by BFRO Investigator David Bakara:

In next post......

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

Report # 36218 (Class A Cont.)

Follow-up investigation report by BFRO Investigator David Bakara:

I spoke with RK by phone and he seemed quite relieved to get this encounter in the public realm. He was surprised at the time how nonchalant the rangers were about their encounter. The driver (RK) was sleeping when the encounter began. He has lost contact with his friend, the passenger, since he moved from the area.

All the windows had limo tint on them which was the preferred tint here in Florida until the authorities outlawed it. You could not see inside from the outside, but your can see outside while inside. In the front windshield was a large reflective panel that keeps out the sun during the day.

RK says that after about 45 minutes of sleeping in their seats in the small Eclipse, his friend in the passenger seat woke him by squeezing his hand and arm so hard, he could feel his fingernails digging in. RK opened his eyes to a look of horror on his friend's face, and he was gesturing to the driver's window where RK was resting his head. RK slowly turned his head and right next to his head was the face of a large apelike creature looking in. RK described the face as huge, with a broader nose than a man, but not like a gorilla. It was hooded as ours is, very hairy except around the eyes and cheeks. He did not see the teeth, but it was smelling and exhaling hard and left its breath on the window. It moved from the window, to the windshield, and back to the window several times. It seemed frustrated that it couldn't determine if anyone was in the car. At one point, it put its hands on the top of the car and gave it a little shake. It finally walked in an upright fashion to the dumpster a few yards from where they were parked. They could see it clearly in the moonlight. RK described it as tall, 6'10" to 7', covered in hair about 4" long, with a neck and built more like a basketball player than a body builder. It was tall and lanky. RK got the impression it was young and under fed. The chest area had a little less hair on it, and RK didn't see any breasts, so he surmised it was a male, even though he couldn't confirm it. The lid to the dumpster was already open and the creature reached in to picked thru what was in there and did nibble on a few items. All the witnesses could see how this couldn't be a guy in a costume as the arms were way too long for a man. After about an hour and a half of watching this animal amble about the dumpster it started to move off into a large prairie on the other side of the road. As it slowly walked, they watched it turn its head and make a scream like a wolf/coyote howl. The other passengers in the car became quite nervous again and thought it was calling others to join it here at this spot. The passenger in the back seat wanted to get the gun and shoot it. RK said no and to just sit still and let it move away. It howled several times as it slowly moved off and out of sight. All the occupants were quite warm in the sealed up car and the windows were beginning to fog up now. They at this time slowly cracked the windows and could really smell it strong now.They found a ranger station and excitedly related the story. The rangers asked if they had a gun in the car and RK answered yes (he had a permit). The rangers asked if they shot at it and they said no. The rangers stressed the point that it was a crime to shoot at any animals in the park. They did take a few notes and said yes, they were aware of the creature, and this was just one of hundreds of reports they get. They told them the Florida name for the creature, the Skunk Ape.

The witness chose this Pete Travers sketch, one that best matches the head and body of what he saw.

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

Lol.

Apes on the loose.

I'm glad that there's a place in Florida where it's illegal to shoot anything but I still suspect there's a covert government effort to kill these animals.

I'm not totally comfortable calling them animals because I'm almost certain they're part human.

An interesting short video by a member of the Yowie Hunters

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

That is quite a remarkable picture. The Sasquatch that I saw greatly resembled that depiction though it was rather more thickly built.

This story has always stayed with me, I have no idea why?!

If (big IF!) true, it could explain a lot... sure would make them very elusive, so I thought it only appropriate to share it in case you’ve missed it... enjoy!

Source: Link

THE TRAP

This account is from Larry Kelm whom I personally spoke with during a BFRO (Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization) field trip in Ruidoso, NM.

Quote: “In the fall of 1980 I ran a small business as a construction contractor in Eugene, Oregon. During the slow times and in-between jobs I would don my backpack and hiking boots and disappear into the mountains for weeks at a time enjoying the peaceful solitude of long hikes. At that time I was single and didn’t answer to anyone so I was free to do what I wanted when I wanted. On the trip in question I decided to hike the old Mollala Indian trail that followed the ridge tops from Saddle Blanket Mountain to Oakridge, one of the Native American’s favorite summer camps and trading centers. It was a beautiful August day, two days into the hike (I expected to be gone about two weeks), when literally out of the blue the most terrifying thing that ever happened to me in my life occurred. It would change my perspective of reality forever.

“I was walking along the trail enjoying the strong breeze and bright sunshine when, in the middle of a step, everything around me started to turn gray and blurry. The only way I can describe it was as if suddenly I was looking through someone else’s prescription sunglasses. I finished the step and started another. Every inch I moved forward the darkness increased and the gray blurring turned into a jumble of shapes that made no sense. I then seemed to pass a barrier and everything started to return back into focus when my foot reached the ground on the second step everything around me had changed. Day had turned into night and there was no wind. All the Douglas Fir and pine trees had been replaced with thick jungle-like growth. The cool thin mountain air was replaced with humid thick air. There were no stars in the sky, but there was a diffused light that let me see everything clearly, however I couldn’t tell what the light source was.

“As often happens when the human body receives a massive dose of adrenaline the entire incident appeared like it was in slow motion and even though I was only there for a second or two I had time to observe my surroundings. The silence was broken by [a] continuous high pitched keening sound, and I was nearly overwhelmed with a sense of fear and danger. My momentum caused me to take one more step before stopping in my tracks.

“It was at this point, I heard a whispered "Gotcha" over my right shoulder. I couldn’t tell if I heard it with my ears or inside my head. The word wasn’t directed at me but something said the word quietly to itself. I was so terrified I actually felt my heart stop for a moment. That whispered word is what saved me. I opened my mouth and gasped in a huge gush of thick air and recoiled backward in the same footsteps I had entered wherever I was. As I threw myself backward, I looked over my right shoulder. A dark colored hairy right hand and arm was reaching for my throat over my shoulder. The hand had pale ivory spade-shaped fingernails. The nails looked clean and almost had a manicured look to them. The thumb was placed lower (towards the wrist) on the hand than a human’s is. Both hand and arm were thin and powerful looking and both were covered with thick coarse black hair.

“I got a good look at it because the thumbnail grazed my neck (it did not break the skin) as I moved backwards. As I continued backwards, the hand clutched where my neck had been a split second before and it seemed to fade off into the distance as I returned through the Portal.

“I took two more steps backwards and everything reversed itself from what had just happened. The world around me became lighter, the fir and pines gradually came back into view and by the third step I was back on Saddle Blanket Mountain.

“I continued to move backwards in terror, and as I did, I observed that where I had just come from was a shimmering oval patch of air about the size of a large door. The woods behind it looked like it was under water. By the fifth backward step the shimmering area seemed to just evaporate and everything was back to normal. By then my lungs had nearly burst from the volume of air I had inhaled during the huge gasp I had just taken. My body felt like it was on fire from the adrenaline surge. I spun around and ran back down the trail as fast as my legs could carry me, and didn’t stop until I reached my truck. I was nearly two days getting to that place and about three hours getting back.

“On my way home I was absolutely horrified at the thought of what would happen if I were to drive my truck into something like that. It had been a trap pure and simple. Whatever it was that tried to kill me somehow kept the Portal hidden from me on the way in, and I didn’t actually see it until I was back out again. I had terrible nightmares for years, and still haven’t come to grips with what happened. My fingers are trembling and the hair is standing up on the nape of my neck as I write this.” (5)