musings on bigfoot's elusiveness

a reply to: halfoldman
Monkey see monkey do.
They ignored the fact because they don't want us knowing the truth. The mind is very powerful, so powerful that if we concentrate it on something we can become that which we focus on, not immediately but over time yes. There are many psychological concepts that attest to this fact, this is why you should always see yourself in a positive light, the idea of the person you are, the picture you have of yourself in your head should be that which you want to be, and lo and behold that is what you will become. There is a force out there that wishes to keep humanity from realising there full potential.
What that force is I don't know but you just need to look at the conditioning the media put out there, big pharma, the people in power etc. Distractions everywhere. There is only one solution and it is revolutionary.

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

Would you happen to know the differences between blacki & bilaspurensis?

I know Google is my friend but I don't feel like it right now.

Kind of under the weather.

These paleontologists a lot of times give different names to the exact same thing.

I look at their best guess of gigantopithecus and I am unable to see any major difference from the orangutan other than size.

Leads me to wonder if insular dwarfism is in play.

Fossilized footprints (look at photos) in Nevada:

Fossilized footprints, 18-20 inches long.

The accepted conclusion is that they are the prints of an extinct giant ground sloth.

Added for interest.

a reply to: reject

Haven't had the chance to do much with your query... so let me be lazy and use Britannica, Wiki (and others).

The primate fossil record suggests that the species Gigantopithecus blacki were the largest known primate species that ever lived, standing up to 3 m (9.8 ft) and weighing as much as 540–600 kg (1,190–1,320 lb). Such calculations point to G. blacki as being the largest hominid yet known. Gigantopithecus is considered to be a sister genus of Pongo (the genus that contains living orangutans) in the subfamily Ponginae of the family Hominidae.

A second species, G. bilaspurensis (which was later changed to G. giganteus), was part of the genus from 1969 until roughly 2003, after which time the scant fossil remains were judged to be too different from G. blacki to place it in the same genus. The species was later placed in its own genus and renamed Indopithecus giganteus. Studies suggest that I. giganteus inhabited grassland landscapes in northern India and Pakistan between about 6 million and 5 million years ago near the Miocene-Pliocene boundary.

Gigantopithecus giganteus, half the size of G. blacki, was previously assigned to Gigantopithecus following Szalazy and Delson (1979), who also synonymized the nominal species Gigantopithecus bilaspurensis with giganteus and considered Indopithecus a junior synonym of Gigantopithecus to create the new combination G. giganteus. Based on the slim fossil finds, it was a large, ground-dwelling herbivore that ate primarily bamboo and foliage. It was approximately half the size of its Chinese relative, Gigantopithecus blacki.

Hope that helps

...Here's the general scientific version of divergence...



Morphometric affinities of gigantopithecus

Abstract
Multivariate analyses, supplemented by univariate statistical methods, of measurements from mandibular tooth crown dimensions and the mandible of Gigantopithecus blacki, G. bilaspurensis, Plio-Plelstocene hominids, Homo erectus, and seven Neogene ape species from the genera Proconsul, Sivapithecus, Ouranopithecus, and Dryopithecus were used to assess the morphometric affinities of Gigantopithecus. The results show that Gigantopithecus displays affinities to Ouranopithecus and to the hominids, particularly the Plio-Plelstocene hominids, rather than to the apes. Ouranopithecus demonstrated dental resemblances to G. bilaspurensis and the Plio-Pleistocene hominids but mandibular similarities to the apes. Results of analyses of tooth and mandibular shape indices, combined with multivariate distance and temporal relationships, suggest that Ouranopithecus is a more likely candidate for Gigantopithecus ancestry than is Silvapithecus indicus. Shape and allometric differences between G. bilaspurensis and the robust australopithecines weaken the argument for an ancestral-descendant relationship between these groups. The results support the hypothesis that Gigantopithecus is an extinct side branch of the Hominidae.

Just for Fun...

Here's a great excerpt from the book called; "Bigfoot, The Life and Times of a Legend" by Joshua Blu Buhs, (Excerpt from pages 66–75). It sort of documents the whole beginning of the phenomena and the coining of the term BigFeet/BigFoot from the newspaper "Humboldt Times".

I think one of the reasons why I like reading about this type of history is that it mentions an area known as Happy Camp where i had a few encounter's while mining on the Klamath River.

Anyway.. it's a fun historical read, enjoy

BigFoot, the Life and Times of a Legend

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous
This may already have been asked JA but are there any Bigfoot sightings in Europe or Scotland more to the point.. We do have large cat sightings here but never heard of a bigfoot.

"post removed because the user has no concept of manners"
Wow, that is the best one I have seen yet!

originally posted by: ManyMasks
I must say though your ignorance always makes me chuckle considering your name.
Clown

I agree, at times his name is perfect. Rumor has it that it was his drill instructor, or maybe Master Sergeant that gave him the name in the first place. Maybe his name is the reason why he is so against the subject of Bigfoot?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
4. Stunning: I think sometimes they just knock us unconscious for a few minutes.

I mentioned this somewhere. I think it is the Tiger, or cats in general. Apparently they give off a low bass sound that dulls the senses of the animals they are preying on. Bigfoot researchers think the Biggies do the same thing, because witnesses have said that deer seem to freeze right before the big ones attack them.

Supposedly bagpipes were used prior to combat to do the same thing.

originally posted by: ManyMasks
a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous
This may already have been asked JA but are there any Bigfoot sightings in Europe or Scotland more to the point.. We do have large cat sightings here but never heard of a bigfoot.

The short answer for Scotland is yes (but apparently very few)

Bigfoot Sighting Report From Scotland: Crypto Crew, Sighting report from Scotland

You've got the sensationalism of an article like this from 2018; Bigfoot investigator claims he has proof legendary monster is hiding out in SCOTTISH forest. And also this one 2015 Man recounts sighting of Bigfoot in Scotland

They also have a creature that some think might be an off-shoot that is up to 10 feet tall but with shorter hair called the "Am Fear Liath Mòr". Scottish Gaelic for "Big Grey Man"; also known as the Big Grey Man of Ben MacDhui or simply the Greyman. The first recorded encounter with "Am Fear Liath Mòr" was reported in 1891 but wasn't made public until 1925.

**In Europe** (BTW.. "Bigfoot was added to the endangered species list (supposedly) in Russia in 1965, France in 1967, and Germany in 1967.")

There's of course lots of Film's and documentaries, was told that this one wasn't too bad (though simplistic and vague, and I have not watched it yet) Bigfoot in Europe: Sasquatch Encounters Abroad. I tend to watch these more for entertainment than for knowledge... so be aware.

There have been some books and research articles written about the legendary Wildmen, a good research abstract can be found here; "Images of the Wildman Inside and Outside Europe.

Also this one has some decent historical theories/thoughts; "Wodewoses: the (In)humanity of Medieval Wild Men. This is a free downloadable PDF.

Lancashire England: Crypto Crew's reports Another Sighting From Lancashire England

Yellowham Hill; Crypto Crew Yellowham Hill Enhanced Audio Howl's

Londonderry August 17th, 1800: Unknown London, England publication

LIst of Scandinavian Bigfoot sightings. Of course they also have other creatures from Lore such as trolls (which some researchers think might also be linked to or are actually BigFoot's).

Italy: Is this footage shot of a Bigfoot somewhere in Italy?.

Interesting article (PDF) by Chapman University; "'Paranormal Science' from America to Italy"

Germany: Original Holstein Germany Bigfoot Sighting Interview in German & Translation Included .

Bigfoot Sighting in Germany! Hamburg Hectic from Ape Man Attacks!.

Holland: Bigfoot Horror in Holland! Belgians Blamed! Belgian Bigfoot Stomps through the Netherlands - - Dutch are Dizzy!

**Keep in mind that most of these 'media articles' have probably been embellished to make for good reading**


I'm tired of going through my bookmarks and lists, hope this helps answer your query.


**By The Way**

Please don't think that I'm some sort of expert on any of these genres. I'm just a curious schmuck that likes to try and broaden his imagination and knowledge. If your looking for definitive answers.. I'm not that guy to turn to.
Johnny

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous
I'm just curious but will go through the links more after work, thanks Johnny.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect
I have noticed it before
I think he may have bad days and comes here to vent and project onto others as a need for release, I don't think hes a bad person though after reflection.
So I felt a bit bad for venting back.
We all have bad days and all have different ways of dealing with and releasing it. I too can project unto others and I suppose its better doing it here and to strangers than to your beloved family.
I do it to the TV mostly when I'm getting beat at fortnite hahaha, if we don't vent and let that anger build up then we have a problem.
Like a theory I said earlier we could even create an elemental ectoplasmic bigfoot thoughtform lol
And we don't want one of the on the loose

originally posted by: JohnnyAnonymous
You've got the sensationalism of an article like this from 2018; Bigfoot investigator claims he has proof legendary monster is hiding out in SCOTTISH forest.

Seems that Galloway Forest Park covers about 300 square miles.

Why not have a National Bigfoot Holiday this summer and have everyone possible surround that park hand in hand. Then at noon have everyone walk toward the center of the park. If there is a Bigfoot in there they will find it.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect
en.m.wikipedia.org...
I've camped at Loch Doon loads of times it's a 90 minute drive for me. Galloway Forrest is huge though, considering Scotland is a small country, it has a dark sky observatory but every time I have camped it's been overcast.

Next time I go ima going on a hunt lol.

a reply to: ManyMasks

From some of the forest photos it looks like a place Bigfoot would inhabit. Have there been multiple sightings? There may be parts of the park that no one has been to in ages, if ever. Maybe some one just drew a line around a map and said, "Okay, that's ye park borders right there."

There could actually be remote enclaves where no one has ever been. Or those few that did simply did not see the Biggies in hiding. How many times has someone gone into that park and not survived?

According to this link, the cops search area was 700 square miles, and that was not the whole park!

www.thescottishsun.co.uk...

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

I've never ventured into the Forrest area as Loch doon is like the northern most point and closest to me, but I have always wanted to go deep into the woods and probably will. And who knows maybe I will see a big foot. When your in woods though it feels like a different world like everything is alive around you so I wouldn't be surprised if that's type of atmosphere allowed you to see through the veil and the other creatures that live amongst us.

originally posted by: JohnnyAnonymous
Here's a great excerpt from the book called; "Bigfoot, The Life and Times of a Legend" by Joshua Blu Buhs,

“Ray Wallace, Shorty’s brother and one of the Wallaces running the logging company, who claimed to have measured the creature’s stride: fifty inches while at a stately pace, nearly ten feet while running. Someone had also contacted Titmus, who by now had been out to the worksite and revised his previous opinion: these tracks had not been faked, he said. “Who is making the huge 16-inch tracks in the vicinity of Bluff Creek?”

“Less than two weeks after the article appeared, the television game show “Truth or Consequences” offered $1,000 to anyone who could explain how the tracks had been made. In the year after Bigfoot’s big debut, Genzoli received more than 2,500 letters. Here was an Abominable Snowman—not inhabiting the frigid, faraway Himalayas, but in California! Here was Bigfoot.”

That was a Great read. The Table of Contents for that book looks good too. But then I read the Amazon reviews which show the author is anti-Bigfoot. Not sure if I will buy it.

www.amazon.com...=cm_cr_arp_d_viewopt_sr?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=two_star&reviewerType=all_reviews&pageNumber=1

www.amazon.com...=acr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Dug this study up for you. Tigers Larynx's are different to produce the low hertz calls. Since there used to be, an probably still is , debate about "since Humans can't do this Bigfoot is incapable also" rhetoric I'd bookmarked it.

We know just about nothing of their biology.
But we do know other animals have the capability to like the Reindeer study where they can change how many Rods/Cones are used depending on the time of year to the large cats using low hertz communication to not write a few hypotheticals off just yet.

journals.plos.org.../journal.pone.0027029

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Nah.

He just likes to rub "there's no evidence" in.

I myself do that... sometimes.

In this case though, there are CLAIMS of tracks, video, audio, (peer reviewed) DNA, and forensic dental marks, etc.

It would be interesting to see that forensic dental professional examine Jaryd Atadero's skull fragment in his father's safekeeping.

originally posted by: reject
He just likes to rub "there's no evidence" in.

Remember John Lear, Bob Lazar's buddy?

originally posted by: johnlear
IGNORANT_APE! Nice to hear from you! I thought that the 15 seconds of fame I generously gave to you on the Geoge Noory show I would have received at least an acknowledgement if not an all out thank you. Its not like in the rest of your lifetime your name will ever reach 14 million people.

And don't try to use the excuse "I don't listen to that show John!" We all know that not only do you listen, particularly when I'm on, but you also probably take notes. I'll just assume the oversight is due to your usual bad manners.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Of course, the Lear jet guy.

Seconds?

Lol.