As "Transgenderism" has been accepted, will you all also accept "transracialism"?

originally posted by: Secretrooster
It’s silly but people should be free to do what they want as long as it doesn’t effect others or harm others. Would I ever consider a Chinese man to be a black man? No. I wouldn’t wine about it though.

The trouble comes when these things do harm others. For example, the recent incident in which a trans activist attempted to coearse female beauticans into performing acts that they were not comfortable with, and then attempted to sue them when the refused. Or the cisgender athletes who lost to athletes that transitioned to female?

What happens when white people start identifying as minorities and then trying to take advantage of affermative action? we could be living in a world where grants and scholarships that are supposed to help African Americans might go to caucasians.

originally posted by: Edumakated
So not even 1 out of 100 people. The thing is, I'd bet it is even lower if you consider the folks that actually want to walk around cross dressing, etc.

I'm quite sure the real number is much lower, considering how much the left loves to manipulate reality to fit their agenda.

Case in point, claiming the US is #1 in gun deaths in the world per capita, when it is actually more like #62 or some such.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Middleoftheroad
And a DNA test bore that out so quiet...

The DNA test proved she was a liar and a fraud... that what you meant?

originally posted by: luthier
"So, the OP contained a false premise..."

Totally false. There is no consensus at all. Ask the WHO.

Asking politicians (who may or may not have gone to medical school a long time ago) is not evern going to get you a scientifically accurate answer.

There are only two sexes. Male and Female. Anything else is either a birth defect or a mental disorder.

There is absolutely consensus about this in the scientific community that is not engaged in SJW antics.

originally posted by: Subrosabelow
a reply to: AnakinWayneII
Your post reminds me of this: German White Woman Completes Her ‘Transition’ Into a Black Woman.

I've seen her on several interviews and on the show "Botched." There is something seriously wrong with her. She's even reached a point where she fully believes that she'll now have black babies because of her change.

I was reminded of Rachel Dozelal who was the leader of the Washington NAACP until 2015 when she was outed as a white woman who believed she was black.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: luthier
"So, the OP contained a false premise..."

Totally false. There is no consensus at all. Ask the WHO.

Asking politicians (who may or may not have gone to medical school a long time ago) is not evern going to get you a scientifically accurate answer.

There are only two sexes. Male and Female. Anything else is either a birth defect or a mental disorder.

There is absolutely consensus about this in the scientific community that is not engaged in SJW antics.

This is again totally false.

So my hen just grew spurs, stopped laying eggs, and now does a pathetic crow.

Your statement can be proven false many times over.

Now enter the use of fertility drugs on a mass scale. We already know what hormones do to animals in nature and have had many situations where runoff from pharmaceuticals or excessive hormone in the environment cause transgenderism in animals.

I get you are angry about transgender politics but you are wrong.

The medical industry is somewhat divided but most psychologists and psychiatrists who aren't citing religious beliefs do believe in transition therapy.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: luthier
"So, the OP contained a false premise..."

Totally false. There is no consensus at all. Ask the WHO.

Asking politicians (who may or may not have gone to medical school a long time ago) is not evern going to get you a scientifically accurate answer.

There are only two sexes. Male and Female. Anything else is either a birth defect or a mental disorder.

There is absolutely consensus about this in the scientific community that is not engaged in SJW antics.

This is again totally false.

So my hen just grew spurs, stopped laying eggs, and now does a pathetic crow.

Your statement can be proven false many times over.

Now enter the use of fertility drugs on a mass scale. We already know what hormones do to animals in nature and have had many situations where runoff from pharmaceuticals or excessive hormone in the environment cause transgenderism in animals.

I get you are angry about transgender politics but you are wrong.

The medical industry is somewhat divided but most psychologists and psychiatrists who aren't citing religious beliefs do believe in transition therapy.

I like the 'It's nature' approach. Take Moray eels for instance. They are the transgenders of the ocean. They can hormonally change in an instant to ensure the survival of their species and then change back again. They are a fascinating creature. Was watching a documentary on them and it did make me think about transgenderism in humans.

Oh wait! That may not be an helpful comparison, since the hormonal changes simply occur naturally biologically all by themselves. If one were to compare, one would have to expect that transgenders would naturally create the alternate hormones to naturally change their gender. They would also then be able to produce children in their natural gender role. Nope, that documentary was totally wrong in comparing eels to transgenderism.

originally posted by: luthier
This is again totally false.

It is a good thing for the sake of all of the rest of us sane people that your opinion can not change facts.

So my hen just grew spurs, stopped laying eggs, and now does a pathetic crow.

Your statement can be proven false many times over.

No clue what point you're trying to make here...

You have a trans-gender rooster?

Now enter the use of fertility drugs on a mass scale. We already know what hormones do to animals in nature and have had many situations where runoff from pharmaceuticals or excessive hormone in the environment cause transgenderism in animals.

Taking hormones can not and will never be able to change the sex of an animal or a person.

It might make a man grow some boobs, but he'll never grow a womb or ovaries.

It might make a woman grow facial hair and develop a deeper voice, but she will never grow a penis and testicles.

I get you are angry about transgender politics but you are wrong.

I only get angry when someone tries to push this garbage on little kids, or push for laws that make it illegal for me to challenge their lunatic ravings for what they are - lunatic ravings.

The medical industry is somewhat divided but most psychologists and psychiatrists who aren't citing religious beliefs do believe in transition therapy.

Psychiatrists are all quacks and the entire practice should be abolished.

Psychology is much more respectable, and has a place in the medical arena, but any psychologist who spouts nonsense like a man can become a woman is in need of mental health care themselves.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

Taking hormones can not and will never be able to change the sex of an animal or a person.

Hormonally induced sex changes occur in certain species of animals quite regularly, not sure where you are getting your information from.

a reply to: CynConcepts

As you sit here with your screen maybe you should consider how your body is adapting to your environment and maybe give a deeper thought to cultural evolutions effect on biology.

Maybe start with taming fire see how that changed things up and changed our evolutionary path.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: tanstaafl

Taking hormones can not and will never be able to change the sex of an animal or a person.

Hormonally induced sex changes occur in certain species of animals quite regularly, not sure where you are getting your information from.

Truly ignorant stuff here from some others... I mean I was a NCAA wrestler I saw first hand what hormones did to people.

originally posted by: CynConcepts
I like the 'It's nature' approach. Take Moray eels for instance. They are the transgenders of the ocean. They can hormonally change in an instant to ensure the survival of their species and then change back again. They are a fascinating creature. Was watching a documentary on them and it did make me think about transgenderism in humans.

Oh wait! That may not be an helpful comparison, since the hormonal changes simply occur naturally biologically all by themselves. If one were to compare, one would have to expect that transgenders would naturally create the alternate hormones to naturally change their gender. They would also then be able to produce children in their natural gender role. Nope, that documentary was totally wrong in comparing eels to transgenderism.

Ah, I see you got to the only logical conclusion yourself, bravo...

For anyone wondering...

Most species of Moray Eel are born male and female, like humans, but there are a few that are what are known as sequential hermaphrodites.

These are as nature intended. They actually and truly do 'change sex' to a fully functional opposite sex (in this case to female).

The day that you can show me even one example of a person, born a man, who, without surgery, becomes a female, then I'll reconsider my position... but I would still be adamantly opposed to this being taught to children as anything other than an extreme, last option for someone so torn in their inner spirit that they would rather die than continue as they were born.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Can you show an example of animals that tamed fire and changed their genetics because of it??

No just humans?

Do many animals take fertility drugs or blood pressure medicine?
Or do you just not understand genetics at all.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
Hormonally induced sex changes occur in certain species of animals quite regularly, not sure where you are getting your information from.

People are not frogs - and frogs are the only species I've heard of that can actually change sex (including fully developed sexual organs). Can you point to any other species where this is documented?

Regardless...

Show me even one, in all history, fully documented case of a person, born fully a man (not a hermaphrodite), that has ever changed sex to a fully functioning woman complete with ovaries, a uterus, and gave birth to a normal healthy child.

Just one. I won't wait because you can't.

originally posted by: luthier
Or do you just not understand genetics at all.

Apparently I understand it better than you.

Again...

The day that you can show me even one example of a person, born a man, who, without surgery, becomes a female, then I'll reconsider my position.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: luthier
Or do you just not understand genetics at all.

Apparent;y I understand it better than you.

Again...

The day that you can show me even one example of a person, born a man, who, without surgery, becomes a female, then I'll reconsider my position.

If you could show a human that can survive without fire in Alaska I will gladly debate the issue.

a reply to: luthier

I was a NCAA wrestler

oh boy
did you wear the required uniform?

john hughs will never get the credit he deserves
he was very observant

a reply to: shooterbrody

Proudly.

originally posted by: luthier
If you could show a human that can survive without fire in Alaska I will gladly debate the issue.

Absolutely, 100% irrelevant to the subject at hand.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Really?

Weird I thought we were talking about genes.

Let's catch up. We don't live in Nature. We are evolving outside of nature alongside nature...most humans are alive because we don't live in nature....our behavioral responses were formed by majority inside nature but are adapting (traits) to new environments.

For instance we already can make a child with three parents genetics.


So...buckle up you are about to have way more than trans people to complain about.

In case you are a little slow to realize my point....maybe assuming nature is the primary force of evolution on humans is a bit old fashioned and dare I say flat out wrong.


Hens didn't always grow spurs and act manly but the ones that survived did and reproduced. What we are today is not what we are tomorrow so to speak.