As "Transgenderism" has been accepted, will you all also accept "transracialism"?

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle

originally posted by: Atsbhct
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

The younger generation really doesn't care about the ideals of baby boomers.

They will care when the nwo boots are on their necks and they can't do anything without a licence. I'll be dead by then :-)

Cheers - Dave

I am a late baby boomer and my children, and many other new 'hippy' people, will bring those same ideals right down your throat.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

What about a prehensile tail and four hands instead of two hands and two feet?

Because that would ideal in a zero G environment and will be a relatively common (and reversible) procedure if we ever build large-scale spinning habitats.

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: luthier
It's very simple. You don't understand reality.

That is hilarious, coming from someone who believes that:

Are eyeglasses natural?

The use of fire?

Electricity?

Are relevant/legitimate comparisons to the suggestion that the use of artificial hormones that make men grow breasts is equivalent to a man turning into a woman.

So for some reason you believe using genetic engineering and hormone treatment is unnatural.

It is. It doesn't occur in nature, so it is, by definition, 'unnatural'.

I say that it is not only extremely unethical, it is a disaster in the making (see the movie 'I am Legend' for what I mean by that).

Here you are in cyberspace...you should be hunting and gathering..eating raw meat and making flint spears...be careful though that tech leads to more tech.

Again, confusing my opposition to unnatural, unethical and extremely dangerous genetic engineering of the human genome to some kind of blanket opposition to 'the discovery of fire' or ophthalmology, or now, the internet.

Silly boy.

People are always scared of things they don't understand.

Apparently you are also uniformed as to how our genes change...

That biology also changes to adapt to new environments.....

Notice how I pointed this out. It's totally over your head.


Lol...good luck with the future. Seeing as they can literally change sex through genetic engineering (a tool).

People were surely scared of those who used fire as well.

And again who cares what your personal views are and why should they matter and be something to control society.

Perhaps you should explore the topic of the social contract so you don't confuse the center of the world as where you are standing at any time.

I wouldn't necessarily put a "sex change" in the category of human engineering.


A natural male, perfectly physically healthy, is mutilated (if he decides to change himself physically - if that's even the case (urethra anyone me?)) and is not being improved (on the contrary). The likelihood of body fat increases increases by a huge factor; muscle tone and structure and mass take a greater nosedive than a Malaysian airliner flying over the Bermuda Triangle; bones become more brittle and prone to fractures etc etc.

I was talking about gene editing. Which they have been able to do in mammals. Not surgery.

And more importantly that homo sapien sapiens have already un naturally changed their genes with technology. They are technologies that allow an "artificial" gene flow.

Switching a Gene in Adult Mice Easily Transforms Females Into Males

The technology might allow for mid-life human sex changes with no surgery

TextSame-sex mouse parents give birth via gene editing

originally posted by: luthier
People are always scared

Scared? Not in the slightest.

of things they don't understand.

I understand this subject well enough, even as a layman, to know that your point is pure BS.

Apparently you are also uniformed as to how our genes change...

Sure... on a purely micro level.

But by all means, prove me wrong and show me someone whose genes have spontaneously changed from XY to XX.

That biology also changes to adapt to new environments.....

Notice how I pointed this out. It's totally over your head.

I notice how you keep making extremely general references to the evolutionary scale as somehow lending credence to the radical trans agenda/claim that a man can become a woman or vice versa.

Lol...good luck with the future. Seeing as they can literally change sex through genetic engineering (a tool).

During the formative stages of the embryo, yes, I admit it.

But that is irrelevant to the topic.

Again - show me a fully grown fully functional (sexually) adult human that has been 'transformed genetically' into a fully grown, fully functional (sexually) female, and I'll freely admit my mistake.

And again who cares what your personal views are and why should they matter and be something to control society.

I could also ask 'Who cares what your personal views are (that you believe that a man can become a woman) and why should they matter and be something to control society?", but I won't... well, ok, maybe I will...

Who cares what your personal views are (that you believe that a man can become a woman) and why should they matter and be something to control society?

Perhaps you should explore the topic of the social contract so you don't confuse the center of the world as where you are standing at any time.

I have not entered into any 'social contract'... if you claim otherwise, please produce said contract bearing my signature.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
Says the guy who thought I was talking about people when I said 'animals'.

Says the guy who corrected something I said about animals in the context of comparing them to people, then claiming ignorance of the context.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

Says the guy who corrected something I said about animals in the context of comparing them to people, then claiming ignorance of the context.

Your comment was incorrect which you obviously know since you had to recant that comment. Too funny.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: frostjon361

Why shouldn't we use race and species interchangeably?

If we were talking about cats do you think a black cat is a different race than a white cat?
.

It very well could be there are many different races of cats, Siamese, Bengal, Maine Coon etc

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
Your comment was incorrect which you obviously know since you had to recant that comment. Too funny.

Yes, I am fully capable of admitting when I'm wrong.

Maybe you should take a lesson.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: luthier
People are always scared

Scared? Not in the slightest.

of things they don't understand.

I understand this subject well enough, even as a layman, to know that your point is pure BS.

Apparently you are also uniformed as to how our genes change...

Sure... on a purely micro level.

But by all means, prove me wrong and show me someone whose genes have spontaneously changed from XY to XX.

That biology also changes to adapt to new environments.....

Notice how I pointed this out. It's totally over your head.

I notice how you keep making extremely general references to the evolutionary scale as somehow lending credence to the radical trans agenda/claim that a man can become a woman or vice versa.

Lol...good luck with the future. Seeing as they can literally change sex through genetic engineering (a tool).

During the formative stages of the embryo, yes, I admit it.

But that is irrelevant to the topic.

Again - show me a fully grown fully functional (sexually) adult human that has been 'transformed genetically' into a fully grown, fully functional (sexually) female, and I'll freely admit my mistake.

And again who cares what your personal views are and why should they matter and be something to control society.

I could also ask 'Who cares what your personal views are (that you believe that a man can become a woman) and why should they matter and be something to control society?", but I won't... well, ok, maybe I will...

Who cares what your personal views are (that you believe that a man can become a woman) and why should they matter and be something to control society?

Perhaps you should explore the topic of the social contract so you don't confuse the center of the world as where you are standing at any time.

I have not entered into any 'social contract'... if you claim otherwise, please produce said contract bearing my signature.

The constitution is based in the social contract. Its implied from your use of society. No signature necessary.

The big problem is nobody cares about your views on morality.

You mistake this as meaning my opinion matters.

What I am saying is it's already happening. People are already genetically altering humans. They have already genetically altered mammals to change sex with genetic engineering. It's the sum of all the parts..


It's the evolution of technology and human culture. You can't stop it by crying online.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

Yes, I am fully capable of admitting when I'm wrong.

Maybe you should take a lesson.

When I'm wrong in this thread I'll let you know, as of now my correction to your erroneous statement is not wrong.

originally posted by: luthier
The constitution is based in the social contract. Its implied from your use of society. No signature necessary.

that is funny, seeing as one of the primary requirements of government for a free society, which is fully acknowledged in The Constitution itself, is 'the consent of the governed'. Simply being born within the confines of a land does not constitute 'consent', any more than doing something under threat/duress constitutes doing so 'voluntarily'.

The big problem is nobody cares about your views on morality.

Actually, many do...

You mistake this as meaning my opinion matters.

It doesn't matter to me, which is all that matters - to me.

What I am saying is it's already happening. People are already genetically altering humans.

I don't doubt it, but that doesn't mean it is highly unethical and immoral to do so.

They have already genetically altered mammals to change sex with genetic engineering.

As I said, doing so at the embryonic stage is one thing.

For the last time - show me a fully functional (sexually) adult male who is genetically transformed into a fully functional (sexually) adult female, and I'll admit you have a point.

It's the evolution of technology and human culture. You can't stop it by crying online.

While I'm actually laughing my ass of at your antics, I'm quite sure you're correct that I won't be able to stop it, but maybe I can make someone think twice about it.

Personally, I fully expect something horrific is coming our way, along the lines of 'I am Legend', if we keep monkeying with genetics like 4 year olds wreaking havoc in an egg factory.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
When I'm wrong in this thread I'll let you know, as of now my correction to your erroneous statement is not wrong.

No, your correction was not wrong on its face, but in context of the thread, it was, because it does not support the trans agenda in any way, shape or form.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
No, your correction was not wrong on its face, but in context of the thread, it was, because it does not support the trans agenda in any way, shape or form.

Context is irrelevant, you still made a wholly erroneous statement which I addressed directly as evidenced by my quoting only the pertinent oart of your comment.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
Context is irrelevant

Thank you for admitting that you have no clue how to participate in a discussion.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

Thank you for admitting that you have no clue how to participate in a discussion.

Says the guy who thinks he can make false statements and not be corrected just because he thinks they are relevant.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Transgenderism has been acknowledged by society for pretty much the entirety of its existence. Transracialism, not so much.

By the way, if you're worried that black people are suddenly going to want to be white then you must also acknowledge that there is a clear disparity between the way whites and blacks are treated in society.

The question was regarding acceptance, not acknowledgment.

Personally I think a person should be free to choose whatever they want to be as long as it does not impinge on other people's rights and as long as the person doesn't expect any special treatment.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Hehehe

a reply to: tanstaafl

I love people like you who are utterly uneducated.

The fundamental basis for government and law in this system is the concept of the social contract, according to which human beings begin as individuals in a state of nature, and create a society by establishing acontract whereby they agree to live together in harmony for their mutual benefit, after which they are said ...

www.constitution.org...

Luckily the founders were actually educated in philosophy. The US constitution is remarkably similar to John Locke's two treaties of government.

Surely those two things are brand new concepts to you. Sad as an american citizen should know their history.

And I have showed several times that human animal hybrids are already being created...

And that adult mice have had sex changes from genetic engineering. In fact same sex mice couples have borne children including males.

And the only people laughing are the educated that you have no vocabulary for an arguement of persuasion to begin with.

Maybe take a philosophy 101 class so you can at least learn how to form an argument


"Scientists have long assumed that once the sex determination decision is made in the embryo, it's final," Zarkower said. "We have now discovered that when Dmrt1 is lost in mouse testes — even in adults — many male cells become female cells and the testes show signs of becoming more like ovaries."

Last week, news broke that a prominent stem cell researcher is making human-monkey chimeras in a secretive lab in China.

originally posted by: luthier
I love people like you who are utterly uneducated.

I loathe people like you who think they are smart because they read something somewhere.

Luckily the founders were actually educated in philosophy.

You do know the difference between a theory and a fact, right?

The concept of the social contract is a theory. I understand the concept, but I do not adhere to the suggestion that I can be held to the tenets of a contract that I did not enter into knowingly and willingly.

Thankfully, our Constitution does not demand anything of me personally. While it lays out the framework of our government, what it does do for me, personally, is set down some extremely strong prohibitions on what the government can do, much of which is protection of my Rights to life, liberty and property.

So, take your theory, and ... theorize about what you can do with it.

And I have showed several times that human animal hybrids are already being created...[/quiote]
First - what does that have to do with transgender theory? Hint: nothing.

Second - show me the hybrids.

And that adult mice have had sex changes from genetic engineering. In fact same sex mice couples have borne children including males.

Sorry, you have shown no such thing. Links and evidence, or BS.

And the only people laughing are the educated that you have no vocabulary for an arguement of persuasion to begin with.

Actually, they're now laughing at that last incoherent sentence of yours... gobbledy-speak.

"Scientists have long assumed that once the sex determination decision is made in the embryo, it's final," Zarkower said. "We have now discovered that when Dmrt1 is lost in mouse testes — even in adults — many male cells become female cells and the testes show signs of becoming more like ovaries."

Ahem... 'like ovaries' is far, far from 'ovaries'.

"Last week, news broke that a prominent stem cell researcher is making human-monkey chimeras in a secretive lab in China."

Links, evidence, or BS.

originally posted by: hombero
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Accepted by who? Certainly not by me.

If anything its only accepted in the minds of by so called journalists trying to change societies. Rather then reporting actually news or going on the ground like in Sweden and other places. The media is playing with social engineering agendas.