Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: coursecatalog

007 VR? Jeez, where do you two three find the time to discover these obscure references?

Speed read while you sleep? "Download" books?

Coincidentally Crowley is said to have considered himself as the reincarnation of Dee.

And remembering the lives of others would be like a download.

One way for Dee to continue his interests from the afterlife. A memory set would be like an interface between Dee and Crowley that bridged two worlds. Dee would probably keep up the shirade.


Pigsy2400

just out of interest;

Ahh John Dee, hide your spying through the mask of mysticism and report back to your masters what the other guys are upto .......

Scrying through stones is the old fashioned tried and trusted way. Choice is important. Use a black stone and everyone assumes you're just another black shadow on the wall.

Though if you are the only black shadow there . . . .

a reply to: AlanHenderson

John Dee was quite a famous "mystic" - he was essentially a spy that allegedly used his interests in the "hermetic/mystical/magik" to obscure his real intentions - spying for his queen / government - Starting to sound familiar at all? The correlations with this thread and this subject matter is that the "spies/intelligence" communities are still doing this now and probably have done since those monkeys found the monolith

Its just a good example that even though John Dee lived over 500+ years ago, the same practice is still going on now.

With relation to AATIP and things like that, what you have to consider is "is it a spy job to bring out the adversaries" to see what secret tech they might have? Its the same old game...just different players and a different time...The word "COINTELPRO" may very well be overused here on ATS but its implications and uses go back to probably near the beginning of time and this is just an example of that.

Also of note - John Dee said he was given a "tablet" that showed the future amongst other information from "angels in his garden" - starting to sound even more familiar? This was the "shew stone" which he used to summon visions of angels into the mirror’s reflective surface.This is not the last time that such a "tablet" was alleged to be used to show information from "others" not of this realm....in fact its a story that has repeated throughout ufology quite a few times over the last 3-4 decades.

How do we find the time for these obscure references?

They are not so obscure, once you have been in this field long enough you start to realize that the "intelligence communities" and areas of the occult are very much interwoven with each other - particularly when it comes to this subject.After a few years of inquiry of my own - the more you properly look into this subject - the less "aliens" there are and the more wacko occult obsessed people you will find.

There is some value in some of the things they may talk about, but they are tainted by their own beliefs and bias.

a reply to: pigsy2400

I did have a quick look at a few search results on 007, not having the time to do the in depth reading you guys must do.

Correspondences can be telling. I like your reference to "angels in the garden" - that is very telling. Also the tablet - the words upon it, if there were words, they would probably mean nothing and a distraction for those who can't scry the stone itself.

Yes, I understand spying is as old as politics. But so is the occult (hidden) side of life.

There is some value in some of the things they may talk about, but they are tainted by their own beliefs and bias. 

Is not value is in the eye of the beholder? And would not the modern eye be also be tainted by beliefs and bias?

a reply to: pigsy2400

I sometimes wonder, what is likelihood that:

Roswell
Atec
Kecksburg

Were all 'non conventional events' but MJ12 was based on real material?

I personally rate the chances of that as being near zero. With that established what is the chance that even some of what TTSA are talking about is true, but none of the above (I'll call them Legacy Non Conventional events) ever happened?

The most rational responses are that 'some of all this is correct' or 'none of all this is correct'.

In other words, what is happening now / has happened in the 21st century (Tic Tac etc), has to have some foundations in the past 70+ years. Either in fictitious or extra normal reality.

a reply to: AlanHenderson

In some of the "sekret machines" novels there is talk of "tablets with golden symbols that light up around the edges"

Bill Moore alleged to have seen a "tablet" that showed him information that was pretty scary...

The weird "alien" crystal tablet that acts like a book from UFO Coverup live...

There is the lunatic fringe that is Peter Moon - and his Romanian alien tablets and holographic lunacy under a Romanian sphinx!

and then of course all of the shenanigans of the early internet and "messaging pads" that were wirelessly connected to secret satellite systems....

As for your comment about it being in the eyes of your eyes of the beholder, well of course - one mans junk is anothers treasure - ones mans disclosure is another mans IC sandbox to have fun with the populace and seed ideas and memes. Some of it is about selling secrets to the soviets....

Makes the mind boggle Mr Anderson...ahem....Mr Henderson

a reply to: ctj83

Well that's an interesting part, but I wouldn't limit it to only 2 possible outcomes due to a "rational mind" - that it's all or its nothing. Pretty sure you dont mean it like that though....after all this field needs a good dose of rational and logic that sadly seems abscent most of the time.

In terms of the last 70yrs etc in terms of this field, which seems to be the most focused on areas in this field. There are times before that are seemingly not mentioned or looked into much; the airships that were seen in the 1800s for example. Its also interesting to note of Diana Pasulakas book and timing into all of this narrative too, which as we know looks at the UFO phenomenon from a religious perspective and "angels/gods/beings" in the sky that go back to times of antiquity.

It sounds like it should be that famous voice over that used to do movie trailers "you thought they were only here since 1947.......you thought wrong!!

TTSA are not stupid enough to hang their hat on a specific UFO case or event throughout the "Common Core Story Era".

This is probably due to backlash that would occur as a result. I do however think they will highlight effects of some of the cases out there to back up and reinforce the "threat" element that they seem to keen on pushing.

In that we have Rendlesham and thz/non-ionizing/ionizing radiation from beams of light. Collares - we have beams of light burning people and the MRI scans of experiancers who have "supposedly" died within weeks of exposure to UAP radiation.

What we also have to remember here, is that peoples memories are short. There will not be many people around that will be in the cone of focus of people like TTSA that were around and can remember Roswell. If you go up-to a millennial and say "Roswell" - they will be able to tell you some of it but probably quite little. It was along time ago now...

With instances that happened in much more recent history, like Rendlesham, Collares and also now much much more recent the Nimitz Incident - I think it plays to TTSA's advantage if they refer to incidents and threats from within their target audiences actual life span and memory - ie; they were alive when it happened. - that makes it more real and possibly the threat more potent.


They have simply stated and I am paraphrasing here; "This is not a US phenomenon – it is truly a global phenomenon".

That reads to me "a global threat"...

a reply to: pigsy2400

Geez you've read some wierd stuff there pigsy, makes me feel almost normal ; )

I've followed this thread from it's first incarnation and still can't fathom what's going on with the "shenanigans". The "phenomenon" is a lot more friendly in comparison.

The "New Age" effectively replaced the old occult knowledge with frivolous nonsense in the minds of the population.

The TTSA seems the same deal from what you guys have discovered.

In both cases, it leaves the people in the know to carry on their programs unhindered.

I think it was KPB who said words are all lies. I can see they cast a glamour, an illusion. But that is the nature of conceptual thinking. I can see the "old magicians" glaring at me for saying that.

It does indeed make the mind boggle Mr Smith.

a reply to: AlanHenderson

I've followed this thread from it's first incarnation and still can't fathom what's going on with the "shenanigans". The "phenomenon" is a lot more friendly in comparison. 

originally posted by: mirageman
I am being flippant I know. Because the article is actually a good read. It doesn't come to conclusions. But it does explore the creative process with a number top people. They often believe they are being led to an answer and it doesn't come from within.

It is a good read in that it was free and short, other than that she seems to be grasping considerably with the examples she drew from, the Srinivasa Ramanujan quote is misrepresentative and taken entirely out of context. There is a substantial amount of material on this subject but she appears to have given it a very wide berth. Rather limp.

a reply to: AlanHenderson

Welcome to the desert of the real...

originally posted by: KilgoreTrout

originally posted by: mirageman
I am being flippant I know. Because the article is actually a good read. It doesn't come to conclusions. But it does explore the creative process with a number top people. They often believe they are being led to an answer and it doesn't come from within.

It is a good read in that it was free and short, other than that she seems to be grasping considerably with the examples she drew from, the Srinivasa Ramanujan quote is misrepresentative and taken entirely out of context. There is a substantial amount of material on this subject but she appears to have given it a very wide berth. Rather limp.

The interesting thing is the way the article is slanted to promote a certain viewpoint. That these people find a shortcut by plagiarising the secrets of the universe from 'others'.

Let's bring back Duran Duran to explain it all....

a reply to: Baablacksheep

What?

Don't give me that look . . .

a reply to: pigsy2400

You're as incorigable as Mr Smith pigsy.

How do the TTSA members possibly reconcile their statements that the others are demons manipulating mankind with their plans to use "gifted" technology from these same others to build devices that, among other things, warp the space time continuum?

Unfortunately, the trajectory of history rarely shows alleged divine or otherworldly guidance leading towards more freedom, more equality or more peace.

I think that's what "the others" are doing. I hope so. I feel like my consciousness is elevated and my body is in better shape. They injected me with some strange stuff. I have pretty weird pictures with imprints of alien hand (three fingers) on my chair. Look.
i63.tinypic.com...

originally posted by: mirageman

The interesting thing is the way the article is slanted to promote a certain viewpoint. That these people find a shortcut by plagiarising the secrets of the universe from 'others'.

Let's bring back Duran Duran to explain it all....

I think we need to go back further than that, we're gonna have to dig up Durand-Durand,



She chooses her words very carefully and is tip-toeing considerably around a complex set of issues as a consequence that appears to have limited the examples she was able to refer to, I presume so as not to bite the hand that feeds her. I can only wonder why she felt the need to write the article in the first place. Status? Money? What is it that makes an otherwise intelligent person choose shill-dom? I like the scene from the movie The Big Short, where Steve Carell tells the guy in the restaurant that he could have just made less money. I think that this applies here. I assume that the reason that TTSA are associating and gathering together the people that they are is because those people are willing to bend any professional, intellectual and academic ethics that they may have previously ascribed to in exchange for whatever pay-day or rise in status is being promised. Pasulka seems to be attempting to hold onto hers by omission and editorialism but that only renders her more disingenuous.

Heres a new video re Kevin Day.

m.youtube.com...

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

She was an advisor on the films "The Conjuring" and its sequel. So perhaps was recognised as someone swayed by the benefits public exposure brings and fits the overall agenda.