Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

I think the idea of stealing the soul is the most funny part. The soul is not something you have, but it is something you are. You are the soul, but you don't know it.

a reply to: pigsy2400

I must be getting quite philosophical in my middle years.... 

So it seems Mr Pigs😂.

a reply to: pigsy2400

The "humanizing" of whatever the "phenomena" is may not be the best route to gain a better understanding of it. By applying / imprinting our knowledge and understanding of ourselves onto something that is far removed from ourselves, will result in little knowledge in return and a fruitless endeavor.

One must start somewhere. And to be sure, if far removed the endevour would be fruitless in itself. But what if they are not so far removed?

If you love someone you will experience fear when it is threatened and you will want to protect it.

If you were to imagine an existence without love,light,dark or fear, it would be "impossible" as we already know/are taught these things and cannot technically unlearn them.

Assuming that if we ever did come across another intelligence, that it would have gone through the identical evolution's / revolutions of war, peace, love and evolution and everything else makes no sense.

True enough. One might suggest though that if it reproduces, has children, then it will probably be protective.

Even if just a curator, a gardener of a park will reach for the bug spray when aphids threaten the roses.

We don't know the unknown, but its a part of the human condition to wonder......but we cannot profess that we truly know simply because we don't and its bloody annoying lol

To wonder is natural, yet curiosity killed the cat.

At what point do we draw a line?

The military is a law unto itself and science has no self restraint, greed runs rampant.

We are about to leave the confines of our earth. That is perhaps the trigger of our end.Indeed, we don't know what is out there. All the more reason to be cautious.

Like cigarettes and alcohol, philosophy in moderation is a good thing. The three go well together by the way.

a reply to: AlanHenderson

I liked this two and fro

originally posted by: beetee
a reply to: mirageman

I think this is right to some degree.

Roswell and RFI being two very obvious cases that keep cropping up repeatedly.

It would seem that the more expansive the case get, the further from the original event it really gets.
I think your RFI thread is a prime example of how much "fluff" can adhere to a case over time.

But in many cases it seems to me that something strange really happened, and then the showpeople can move in.

Totally agree with you mate, things like the MJ12 stuff is another example of something that creeps into all of this over and over. People are not willing to look into these things because there is danger and fear that it may disagree with the "truth" that they have already decided;

Here is an interesting outtake from Vallee's FS3;


The truth to all of this I feel, lies in the reason "behind the manipulation" - that is what people should be demanding be "disclosed" - in my humble opinion at least..

Source;
Source FS3

a reply to: pigsy2400

Your right but when it’s time to learn they can go to things like this thread and its there for them. It’s a back-up…people need honest sources for their own changing perspectives.

Ufology is IMO a religion/illness; there are preachers, teachers, sufferers and truth seekers.

Ufology is a human institution as is religion that in itself makes it important whatever our personal beliefs.

I just have to add this little gem:



We should listen to the animals more ;-)

a reply to: pigsy2400

With a smoke and alcohol a bloke can cope with anything and enemies become friends.

It just worries me when people start painting "aliens" as "demons". When that happens experiencers become colaborators with the enemy.

Aliens and demons....leave me alone.

Time to take smoko



...under the milky way



Somewhere out of the way...



...before you realize it's a mistake hey?

a reply to: AlanHenderson

Well, Tom Delonge said the following:
"Alien abductions are real, but long ago the military toyed with it as well to muddy the waters."

a reply to: vortimond

But now he says that their actually heroes

Oops, replied to wrong post, sorry for the mixup Willtell.

a reply to: vortimond



Realisticly, unless TDL was abducted himself, or witnessed an abduction, it is only hearsay.





I spose what I am getting at is you gotta be there to know.

Something is niggling me about the USA/TTSA "owning" something that happens everywhere to ordinary people.

They are up to something that is not good and to my thinking; none of the TTSA's business really.

a reply to: mirageman

You guys gave done a good job of pulling the TTSA and more apart. Yet the posturing to create a "threat" not so much so.

Mankind does not have any natural enemies so he has to invent them.

The inquisition, nazi germany, gulf war and probably every other war began with creating an enemy.

originally posted by: beetee

We should listen to the animals more ;-)

Well, Reg Presley from 60s band The Animals also has his own take on UFOs - like a low-budget Brit version of Tom DeLonge, I suppose...

So you don't personally believe in "alien abductions", Alan? Or you do but don't think they're malicious as oft reported?

a reply to: The GUT

Well, let me put it this way.

Do I believe in Americans?

I have met one or two people who claim to be from a place called America.

They also claim that everything is bigger and better in America. (yeah right - BS meter just went off the scale)

But there is no concrete proof that would withstand scrutiny in the ufo forum here at ATS.

I give them the benefit of the doubt, and by extension, I would not think every American was malicious.

Silyness aside, I do pick up stray animals and take them home before adoption by me or a new home. Abduction?

Yes but not malicious.

If I had ulterior motives like selling pups to laboratories. Then that would be malicious intent.

To assume all encounters as all one thing is perhaps not the best idea.

I would suggest understanding the other party's intention as a desirable thing to do on my side, although admittedly that is nigh on impossible to do.

I was always fascinated by those ancient megalithic sites in western Europe. If you try to explain them using the idea of pantheism, which is what the aliens believe, then it starts to make sense. The beam of sunlight shining inside Newgrange tells you, that the Sun is the same as the stone structure. And also the same as you, the observer. There is absolutely no separation, All is one.

a reply to: vortimond

The beam of sunlight shining inside Newgrange tells you, that the Sun is the same as the stone structure.

Or, it tells you that for an agrarian society the equinoxes are very important.

AATIP-2 : Aviation Strikes Back!

Now I know this is treading over some new/old ground, but that's TTSA for you. I thought it of interest to highlight this in relation to what Harry Reid claimed in regards to wanting the AAWSAP/AATIP program to be given SAP status.

This came around after a few of the things that E-Zonda mentioned in the most recent SCU "talk" that caught my eye on my 2nd review of it all...

In reference to a phone call he stated he had with "someone" at the pentagon very recently;

"I received a call from him very very recently, actually it was this week, and he said you know what Lue, it’s funny because a conversation I had to have with you just a year and a half ago, in a vault within a SCIF in a TSSCI facility that’s SAP cleared and we had to whisper to have that conversation, I can now have this conversation in the open halls of the Pentagon.”

Now these are Zondos own words about, who I can only make the "assumption" is an alleged conversation to the head of whatever the "AATIP-2 : Aviation Strikes Back!" program is now called...

We know that the AATIP program was not a classified program and was denied SAP status. So here in this conversation E-Zonda is saying that any conversation in regards to AATIP2 would need to be;

"in a vault within a SCIF in a TSSCI facility that’s SAP cleared"

E-Zonda has stated previously that AATIP did continue under a different name and from what I take from this is that E-Zonda is strongly "inferring" that AATIP2 did indeed get SAP status considering the comments in regards to where any conversations regarding it would have to take place? in a SCHIF?

Then there is the stellar work of John Greenwald who is still battling with FOIA to find out where exactly E-Zonda actually worked and when....clear as mud as expected!

I also think that the reaction by the "TTSA SuperFans / Padawans / Young Guns" to any of the work as presented by John Greenwald and Roger Glassel is quite telling.

Meanwhile, over at Instagram



I had to chuckle, I admit it...