Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: Willtell

One thing that is also very apparent is that they have co-opted various people from media and social media to be their cheerleaders. It is obvious and transparent to anyone who looks at with even a slightly critical view. It's also embarrassing for some people who have made careers out of allegedly investigating this stuff when they now appear forced to provide icing on the TTSA cake time after time because they've signed into TTSA slavery via NDAs.

Maybe that was the MO all along?

a reply to: mirageman

Knapp and Leslie Kean have been very cooperative and others are piling on.

Career moves maybe. Or possibly, to put the best light on it they see the potential here in the government oddly supporting a UFO project.

Even though the product is still shaky and weak.

It should be remembered, perhaps, that government employees, former or active, do not necessarily always act on behalf of the government. Or even on behalf of the organizations they work or worked for. People do things for all kinds of personal reasons.

Belief has proven to be a very strong motivator throughout history, and some of the people involved in this seem to have some very strong beliefs. Beliefs that to many would seem a bit odd.

Human potential, remote viewing, interdimensionality, greek gods etcetera.

What if they are on a mission to sell their personal beliefs? An updated view of the world that breaks with the materialistic worldview.

The question is do they have enough clout to push this the way it has been pushed if they are on their own? Are they just a bunch of guys with serious connections and very odd beliefs? Why, if so, are they allowed to keep this semi-official mantle by the people at the top?

I am no closer to figuring out their ultimate goals than I was a year ago, but I do feel we have a better grasp of the people involved by now.

Whatever they come out with eventually I think it will fall to the ever shrinking number of people not co-opted into this to point out any flaws in their worldview.

I just sincerely hope it doesn't end up some sort of Moderate Scientology version 2.... That would just be too sad..

originally posted by: beetee
It should be remembered, perhaps, that government employees, former or active, do not necessarily always act on behalf of the government. Or even on behalf of the organizations they work or worked for. People do things for all kinds of personal reasons.

And for money. It is an open secret that a revolving door recruitment policy has existed between government agencies, such as the CIA and here in the UK, MI6, and global corporate interests for decades. This practice has supported, if not actively encouraged, corrupt practices and rank nepotism. Corporations are shielded and protected. Corporation are active in bringing unrest to other nations in order to support their own interest and collude with the governments in ways that threaten the civil liberties of their own people.

I should imagine for "good" people that is not an environment where they thrive unless they absolve themselves of responsibility or in a Cremation of Care, and go with the flow. Perhaps those are the kind of cabals that Elizondo was referring to, in which case, perhaps he is a kind of heroic figure.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

And for money. It is an open secret that a revolving door recruitment policy has existed between government agencies, such as the CIA and here in the UK, MI6, and global corporate interests for decades.

I agree with most of your points here. I looked into McCasland a bit earlier, and it is very obvious that although he left the airforce for the private sector he did not go that far.

I am not saying that it is in any way shady, but it certainly is convenient for private enterprise to snag these well connected people.

How much money is in this particular venture seems doubtful, however, but we should certainly keep an eye on that side of things.

Besides, money and beliefs can be combined without much trouble, provided said beliefs support grabbing what you can :-)

Has this ttsa circus delivered anything so far?anything at all?besides all this snake oil

a reply to: PHDIKOULAS

Yep! They are making a comedy TV series called Unintended in association with the History Channel.

a reply to: PHDIKOULAS

Zondos got a new lawnmower;

Just some recent articles...

badufos.blogspot.com...

ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com...

a reply to: 1ofthe9

Aviary-connected folk have a long history of IC contract work and especially since 9/11. Lots of monies got freed up and stuffs got to get tested somewheres and on somebody. I'd say that almost everything we see them do has little to do with UFOs and much to do with those DoD and Homeland Security contracts.

From your Keith Basterfield link:

Who is Dr Tim Rynne?

SARA is short for Scientific Applications and Research Associates. Today their LinkedIn page says:

'SARA Inc., creates custom solutions to complex problems for the defense and homeland security industry. We specialize in directed and detected wave energy from EMP and ELF to laser light , HPM and sound. Our technologies harness electromagnetism, plasma, acoustics, electronics and processing to build practical applications for force security protection, renewable energy, UAVs, small robotics and special test challenges."

In 1991 he received an award from the US Army, and in 1992 from DARPA, where he was principal investigator on projects, while he was with SARA.

Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - scientific research

a reply to: beetee

Some very good points there BT. I would go further and state that "ufology" is the IC greatest achievement....as in they created it in the first place. Makes sense they would check in on their creation from time to time as well as dropping in new story books from time to time.

The people who blindly believe this creation are just useful idiots.

I will state I do believe there is a phenomena, I believe I have seen it.....answers to what it is? Absolutely no bloody idea....and looking to people like TTSA for those answers is a useful idiots errand.

originally posted by: pigsy2400

I will state I do believe there is a phenomena, I believe I have seen it.....answers to what it is? Absolutely no bloody idea...

Which is a major reason why your work on this subject has a particularly fascinating edge to it.

I also believe there is a genuine 'phenomenon' at work, but unfortunately I haven't witnessed it yet (unless poltergeist activity falls within the same realms). The reasons WHY I haven't may lie within your own other thread, of course, and its superb research.

We have to accept the reality that American ufology is poisoned.

I’m convinced the government knows little but is deliberately controlling the narrative. It's not a major operation where they kill people like more sinister operations but is tied in with mind control and MKultra style operations.

We have to understand that when they say they're going to infiltrate and control something, they mean it.

Its interesting Jacques Vallee running around with these CIA guys Green and Puthoff for decades and he thinks they didn’t control or influence him is naïve to think.

I think all the evidence points to the fact that none of the governments of this planet has the capacity to understand or even research the ufo phenomenon.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

It may be because I am not a loony toon that subscribes to the ideas of every TV show, movie,book and organisation that pushes a narrative on the subject.

As Willtell points out, no-one may have a clue what the phenomena actually is...but where there is a possibility to use such a phenomena for strategic military play, you can guarantee that it will be utilised.

Ufology makes an excellent topic for studies in a number of areas, behavioural sciences, distribution of social memes, new religions and beliefs systems and network narratives.

Speaking of network narratives;
www.darpa.mil...

originally posted by: pigsy2400

As Willtell points out, no-one may have a clue what the phenomena actually is...but where there is a possibility to use such a phenomena for strategic military play, you can guarantee that it will be utilised.

Hence why 'disclosure' from the PTB is a non-starter, unless it's disclosure of complete ignorance about the subject matter's inner workings.

Ufology makes an excellent topic for studies in a number of areas, behavioural sciences, distribution of social memes, new religions and beliefs systems and network narratives.

Human Nature and its unending capacity for self-delusion and manipulation IS indeed a major (fascinating) factor of ufology - especially in the States. In the UK, we're so much less inclined to make a song and dance about it (or, in the case of TTSA, a full carnival and opera).

originally posted by: pigsy2400

Ufology makes an excellent topic for studies in a number of areas, behavioural sciences, distribution of social memes, new religions and beliefs systems and network narratives.

Speaking of network narratives;
www.darpa.mil...

Narrative has become big business and is another holy grail for contractors like our cast of characters.

The research contracts/projects for narrative control--and they make no bones about it's importance in full-spectrum warfare--are pretty vast.

Say you drop something like Serpo and evaluate it's spread. Can a "lie" or "propaganda" be crafted and shaped for sheeple herding? That type of thing has surely been done. As a matter of fact---think how perfect the ufological community is for certain socio-psychological testing.

And not to have me tinfoil too tight, I'm sure Dr. Green owning a small percentage of ATS and being basically the whole "Science Board" here wouldn't give him access to board data for research extrapolation or nothin' that's crazy talk right?

a reply to: The GUT

Wow...thanks for the heads up on SARA gut...some odd stuff in there mate...taking a deeper look into this

www.sbir.gov...

a reply to: The GUT

that's crazy talk right? 

Perhaps not?

Thanks for those links. Now we know where TTSA copied and pasted their ideology from.

A massively failed endeavor again run by a secret CIA guy in the background!

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: pigsy2400

Ufology makes an excellent topic for studies in a number of areas, behavioural sciences, distribution of social memes, new religions and beliefs systems and network narratives.

Speaking of network narratives;
www.darpa.mil...

Narrative has become big business and is another holy grail for contractors like our cast of characters.

The research contracts/projects for narrative control--and they make no bones about it's importance in full-spectrum warfare--are pretty vast.

Say you drop something like Serpo and evaluate it's spread. Can a "lie" or "propaganda" be crafted and shaped for sheeple herding? That type of thing has surely been done. As a matter of fact---think how perfect the ufological community is for certain socio-psychological testing.

And not to have me tinfoil too tight, I'm sure Dr. Green owning a small percentage of ATS and being basically the whole "Science Board" here wouldn't give him access to board data for research extrapolation or nothin' that's crazy talk right?

You know this stuff is absolutely pitiful, and these guys are still doing great business running around deceiving people and backing folks like Firmage into penury.

Likely Delonge will go bankrupt if he doesn’t get out of this group.

Now TTSA has created a scam based on all the Firmage failures of the past, with all this antigravity nonsense and other phony astrophysics technologies they’ve invented to carry on in this nonsense.
Wormholes, stargates, and portals, all straight to hell…or straight to nowhere!
These guys have ransacked the new age and astrophysics mythologies (wormholes, portals) and created a monster with an appetite it can’t quench...Taking advantage of credulous human nature to deceive and exploit.

Here are 1of 9’s links.
badufos.blogspot.com...

ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com...

Now the guy who made the FAKE alien autopsy movie thinks he is going to sue and get ufo secrets!

One poster mentioned karma in regards to the producer of the FAKE alien autopsy hoax now suing Firmage and his CIA sponsor.