Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

A particular young gun in this. Closely associated with Puthoff and also associated with John Burroughs.

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Feb this year became state director for Mufon Maryland .

originally posted by: celltypespecific

I need a break from ATS. I will be back on when the next NYTs article or Video is release from TTSA.

Will miss your PHD honed analytical abilities.....
If you improved or progressed neuroscience in the same way you've added to this discussion - thank you on behalf of Humanity.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Well Great Uncle Bulgaria has gone back to Wimbledon common, I still have a feeling there are still one or two under the radar though...

Back to the Mess that is TotalTitsUpAnon;
In the final episode they presented a photo of a "bug with a helicopter in the background" and the guy who "took" the photo was found later to be the cause of the fires in the local area?! - That is literal insanity and I wasn't aware of this...!!

Wow! Look at this helicopter that was "shot down" by a UFO; oh wait; it got struck by something and had to land. Bit of a difference there Tom! There was granted damage to the helicopter, but that could have been anything, certainly wasn't bugs!

Then the Italian dude turns up and he basically states that "the others" are literally "Klingons" with phasers - sorry a ray gun and you can't shoot them until they "decloak" and it has to be photon torpedo......sorry; depleted uranium rounds!

Zondo and Tom got a power point that has some "UFO types" that's available on a website that sells models of UFOs...(hat-tip to MM)

The "data" of all of the sightings since 1901 looks literally like just a list of times and provinces and only goes back to 1901 and not much other data than that in regards to the sightings. Interestingly Wikipedia has cases going back to 45BC...

The slides also have little flags on them too, some USA flags and others. I can only assume its a 200+ slide power point of the history of ufology and cases.

I also liked the whole "new AATIP" guys meeting in the episode; so secret that it was filmed from behind a plant-pot and pillar!

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
Am I missing something?

Yes.. TTSA target people who don't pay attention to details and don't fact check what they say. Another one has just been born in the last sixty seconds.

Why are numerous users in here saying TTSA messed up with the Italian stuff?

It was a major 1st world government coming forward with UFO documents and discussing UFO phenomena confirming that it's real.

Again TTSA use the power of suggestion and illusion once again.....they visited the the Italian equivalent of MUFON or Centro Ufologico Nazionale (CUN) not the Italian government. CUN gave Tom and Zondo a pdf file including a picture of UFO types used to advertise computer models of UFOs. It's probably available somewhere on the web for Italian speakers to find.

Then that same first world government advising their helicopter was attacked, and saying that uranium rounds work as an offensive on the crafts.

How is that messing up?

Isnt that huge and world changing?

When in Rome..Romulans have to de-cloak before firing their disruptors of course. But Italy's armed forces do not use depleted uranium shells and Star Trek is not a documentary.

The helicopter story is now bundled up as part of a massive hoax by Antonino Pezzino and his son Guiseppe. The photo was taken by Antonino Spinnato and the unsubstantiated report is covered in more detail here.....

“Nowhere has truth so short a life as in Sicily,” wrote Lampedusa in The Leopard. “A fact has scarcely happened five minutes before its genuine kernel has vanished, been camouflaged, embellished, disfigured, squashed, annihilated by imagination and self-interest; shame, fear, generosity, malice, opportunism, charity, all the passions, good as well as evil, fling themselves onto the fact and tear it to pieces; very soon it has vanished altogether.… The truth no longer existed.” ...

Link

Now if people can find this information out on the internet. What was Elizondo doing when he was head of AATIP?

He was head of AATIP wasn't he?

Interesting reveal on the last episode of Unidentified, Mellon on Tucker's show talking about the new navy guidelines. It happened while Unidentified was a month from airing. Either they didn't know what they'd put on the last episode of the show while it was close to airing, they changed it on the fly or TTSA knew about the new guidelines and their timing. ( not likely )

a reply to: Sublant

It all depends, a draft of these guidelines could have been worked on over a long period of time.

All it would take is someone to know of these guidelines existence at least on draft form.

Drafts for changes to policies within the military can unbelievably take years to go through due process and be finally implemented as policy.

That usually comes with the big government in all walks of life not just the military.

a reply to: Sublant

Yep. It's possible that Mellon or Elizondo knew this was in the pipeline and will still have contacts within the DoD that would keep them informed. This seems to have been the "big reveal" at the end of the series. Interestingly we got nothing about the so called meta-material which was being studied.

I don't know what your opinion is? But I it seems individuals in the DoD and the Pentagon are not playing it straight with us either. Very little has came from FOI and statements have occasionally been contradictory from the Pentagon.

a reply to: mirageman

LOL. Another sloppy job by Zondo & Co. Good enough for believers I guess.

What was Elizondo doing when he was head of AATIP?

Throwing pencils up into the ceiling of his basement office room.

The Musings of a Pig - Those Four Programs
"IF" there were 4 programs that continued after the AATIP program ended (as hinted by Jeremiah Doorbell), could they say; fall under each different section of the military?

US Navy / Marine Corps
US Army
USAF
CIA / Intelligence

With data sharing between difference intelligence branches and sections of the US military greatly improved over the last decade (apparently); I can envision each section of the military having a "Zondo" in charge and them all meeting up and sharing information on potential unknown threats as would be seen/monitored/recorded by the associated branches. These would be recorded wherever these military sections are based, land, air,sea and space etc.

Any threats that are identified can be planned to be countered and any technological advancements that need to be developed to fight such "threats" would also be shared amongst the other groups too, if applicable with a shared cost and interest.

This in my eyes wouldn't be a UAP/UFO program specifically AT all.

This would come under their total remit BUT I can imagine most of it is to monitor unknown technological threats from adversaries based on the sections deployment.

The 4 programs and the ultimate overlord program would however cover the aspect due to the nature of what the program(s) tracks and records and the deployments of the sections.

Example (feel like am rambling)

My musing here reminds me of when others that have claimed to have worked at "UFO desks" for their respective governments when the reality is the total time spent on the actual subject of UFOs was literally minuscule to the rest of their responsibilities. These programs main responsibilities wouldn't be UFO/UAP detection etc BUT would fall under their responsibility if they occurred.

Doorbell likes gobbing off and sometimes I "think" may have overstepped the mark on odd occasions. As annoying as he is, he was adamant he would be proven right and wanted it on the record to be attributed to him saying it, so there could be something to it due to his ego wanting to say it.

-MuSe OvEr-

OiNk!

a reply to: pigsy2400

Pigsy, just a heads up before someone dings you for being a US military apostate, the USMC is a branch of the US Navy not the US Army.

Carry on with your musings — my work is done.

Cheers.

a reply to: Cravens

It was on purpose so that my cover wasn't blown

Thanks though, appreciated

Edited to reflect your feedback

a reply to: mirageman

I visited your links.

I guess I can explain a few things here.

#1. There are some things done for production/tv/entertainment value. When Elizondo is handed papers... That could just be a random.staxk.of random papers.used by the producers to illustrate what happened in the real meeting. Remember.. this is still a ""show"

#2. The Italian guy in question.. you sent me a link that was supposed to discredit him and show.he worked for the Italian equivalent of MUFON, but when I read it.. it said he works for the Italian Navy and the CUN is something he does on the side. So technically,. He IS an Italian military official.

#3. There is no clear evidence put forth showing the helicopter story isn't 100% real and true.

a reply to: Cravens


Actually you could be a bundle of fun.

I don't know what your opinion is? But I it seems individuals in the DoD and the Pentagon are not playing it straight with us either. Very little has came from FOI and statements have occasionally been contradictory from the Pentagon.

That's pretty much my view on this. Pentagon - or some in the Pentagon at least - are playing mind games with us, the general audience, but some of the things coming out of there are so contradictory and straight up strange, that some of it might be internal battles spilling out.

Is this because TTSA lost a lot of momentum and backing because Hillary lost, but decided to go ahead with it anyway. People like Mellon and Reid still have a lot of contacts and some influence. That leaves Elizondo, and to be frank, I don't know what to make of him anymore.

Pentagon ain't playing it straight, that's for sure.

Jeffrey Epstein was indicted today. Someone might be in need of a distraction in the near future.. Just a thought.

a reply to: Sublant

There's a lot of stock put into the whole TTSA angle getting support from a president, in terms of it being Hilary. I know people make the Podesta connection all the time.. but was the original source of this information?

It is a statement that has always done the rounds but who actually said it first?

As for the Pentagon also playing games here, they probably are; evidenced by the differing statements made by different spokespersons, the only differing one be Dana White iirc.

As usual, Ufology is a mess...

originally posted by: Sublant
Is this because TTSA lost a lot of momentum and backing because Hillary lost, but decided to go ahead with it anyway. People like Mellon and Reid still have a lot of contacts and some influence. That leaves Elizondo, and to be frank, I don't know what to make of him anymore.

This was one of the strangest approaches to me: nesting all their eggs in the Hillary basket.

As if any sitting president since Eisenhower has been allowed special access ( I would even argue that Eisenhower is the reason presidents are now kept at arm's reach). Consider this: an individual from the private sector (no previous military/intel experience), in the most public position possible, and only in said position for 8 years max. Sure, that person will get all the secrets out and never be told "GFY" by long-standing administrators. Maybe it was intended that way from the start..."Well Hillary lost so we can't disclose all our super cool screts to you now. Maybe 2020? How much money in tv programming are we talking?..."

I guess the key to being a TTSA adviser is to ignore how federal departments normally operate and just go with the most click-baity statements possible (the focus being "market reach").

a reply to: pigsy2400

Can't exactly decipher the endgame with enough proofs to be definitive it's true, but that there was a plan including the principles named I think is clear enough.

I think the beginnings are seen with Laurance Rockefeller, Clintons, Podesta. The leaked emails are a pretty hearty stew that bring a few things into somewhat clearer focus and not just UAPs. That the occult connections are a constant suggests a likemindedness of at least metaphysical philosophies if not suggestive of a more global viewpoint inline with those philosophies.

Who, after all, believes in the "others" more than those who feel that they themselves, or at least their spiritual gurus, have been in contact with them and are more privy than us about what the government might know about them. Probably at least a little more than we do i.e. "we don't know exactly what they are but we know they exist." Junior neophyte Delonge and mage Levenda suggest "the gods." And that's probably somewhat indicative of how they see them.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Remember this classic Tom post on instagram?

I think this was right around the time of the Democratic Convention.

Was Tom delusional, lying, or did he really meet with the Clintons?

I think the beginnings are seen with Laurance Rockefeller, Clintons, Podesta. The leaked emails are a pretty hearty stew that bring a few things into somewhat clearer focus and not just UAPs. That the occult connections are a constant suggests a likemindedness of at least metaphysical philosophies if not suggestive of a more global viewpoint inline with those philosophies.

Who, after all, believes in the "others" more than those who feel that they themselves, or at least their spiritual gurus, have been in contact with them and are more privy than us about what the government might know about them. Probably at least a little more than we do i.e. "we don't know exactly what they are but we know they exist." Junior neophyte Delonge and mage Levenda suggest "the gods." And that's probably somewhat indicative of how they see them.

Agreed. I think it's telling no mainstrean journalist has pressured Podesta about the occult "14 & fish" picture in his emails. At most it was "this ridiculous pedo-pizza conspiracy theory, there's nothing to it, right?"

We came close to Podesta possibly being AG. I urge everyone to really think about that and it's implications, in relation to everything having to do with what we have found out about TTSA so far.

a reply to: coursecatalog
Is that Sidney Blumenthal with the Clintons? Good old Clinton dirty trickster and original birther.