Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Wait!
Whaaaat???

Since Pandolfi claims to be married to ***cough*** an extra-terrestrial wife,

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Oh, yes indeedy, Zazza. And there's an odd little tale that concerns Robert Kiviat (producer of the Alien Autopsy 1995 TV special, and Unsolved Mysteries) who, via Pandolfi, befriended the aforementioned quirky Joe Firmage, signing a contract to promote Joe's anti-gravity tech work in a TV documentary.

As researcher Bob Schaeffer explained:

Firmage expected Kiviat not only to plan a six month public roll-out of the device which Firmage was supposedly inventing, leading to a live demonstration; but Kiviat was also expected to develop and sell the network television series that would tell the Joe Firmage anti-gravity story, and also the story of the Aviary UFO history as seen through the eyes of Pandolfi. But it gets even better! Pandolfi, through his closest operative, also wanted Kiviat to tell the incredibly bizarre story of how his Pakistani wife allegedly from Kashmir, purportedly arrived on Earth via a “inter-dimensional portal,” and other tall tales which would be hard for even Hollywood to make up.

“Presentations made by me to executives at a major TV network, involving both the entertainment and news divisions, did lead to some interest,” Kiviat revealed. “But the outrageous nature of the claims being made eventually were too much to build around, especially since Pandolfi was not willing to state his claims publicly.”

A situation so bonkers that even the chinless Master of Dark Arts, Dickie Doty, would be taken aback...



"..........................WTF???........................"

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

A situation so bonkers that even the chinless Master of Dark Arts, Dickie Doty, would be taken aback...

Another classic, CB. Y'all crack me the heck up. Nobody makes as delicious fun of these deserving freak-shows than some of y'all here!

I think this is a different Burroughs interview talking about Kit and events surrounding all that aspect than has been posted here before. At the very least it's clipped out from a longer podcast and gets straight to the point and stays on-topic. There's some info in this one I don't remember being addressed in the other podcast---think that one was with Howe.

I don't think there's any place on the net cutting closer to the heart of what we're actually seeing and where it might be going than this very thread. Some fine researchers here.

I doubt if Lou is on the woo squad. He sounds like a nut and bolts guy.
As for his leadership. He is likely a deliberate plant to make TTSA the incompetent, uninformed, group it is.

So as of now, it looks like what’s behind them is to make ufology look ridiculous.

So this will be the last quasi-government or group related to any government to EVER come out with any rhetoric about the government and disclosure

Once you make something look ridicules it will never appear again with anybody having confidence in it.

It goes like this “Oh, another government disclosure group. OMG, remember those clowns called TTSA. Oh no not again.”

TTSA nor anything like it will never rise again after it falls.

At first I approached the woo factor from the Carlos Castaneda perspective, but when I read Chris OBrians book "Enter the Valley" is when I did my first Woo exploration of the San Luis Valley in So. Colorado. I lived fairly close in NM and could always rationalize it as a flyfishing excursion to the Rio Grande headwaters or the Arkansas near Salida. My first trip up many years ago spun out of control almost immediately with green dancing orbs, 1960 sinister black Cadillac following me around and a strange Hispanic family [I had never seen them before] that knew some very intimate details of my life and an experience that I can only describe as religious. Now when I travel up to the 4 corners or So. Colorado, I get the distinct impression that something or someone is waiting for me. The commercialization of the TTSA and skinwalker bunch of yahoos is a bit to cheezy for my tastes. But speaking of skinwalkers, I think I encountered one in an abandoned Pueblo Kiva in the Jemez Mts.

a reply to: Willtell

While they're doing a pretty good job of that, Will, I believe it to be accidental. Here's my guess on what we're going to see play out within the next two years. If I'm on the general target it could happen faster than that but I'm thinking 2-3 years tops.

It's all subjective, of course, and I have no ego invested in being wrong but I'm feeling it rather strongly so I'm gonna throw it out there. I think TTSA is just a middle-stage of the overall "plan" and they will drop mostly out of the picture before too long. They'll be somewhere tinkering with folks heads and antennas and selling the woo and "downloading" plans for anti-grav doo-dahs but they won't be MSM front and center anymore. George will keep us advised if we keep up with him.

I think we'll be hearing more about exotic technologies in the near future from the likes of CERN and others. Some quantum things suggesting the possibility of "other dimensions." Probably even some bite-size proofs. We're all going to be introduced to the woo one way or the other and whether we like it or not.

Some of the other stuff will probably be of the topics pigsy has been zeroing in on: Neural-linking, trans-humanism type stuff.

I also believe that Zazz and others are definitely on target that funding is a part of the reason it's being pitched the way it is but I don't think it's the major thrust as much as a byproduct to take advantage of.

If we're paying enough attention--and have done our homework on the reality of the coming Globalism--we'll see more of that starting to take focus. It's already showing up, it will show up more.

It's possible, of course, that what we're seeing with TTSA isn't a government-sponsored psy-op/social engineering operation of some sort, but like I've said previously I can't get around thinking this has official approval. If you believe that to be true then the evidentiary items suggest some paradigm-shifting things on the horizon.

I think some of what we'll be lead to will be true and ultimately incontrovertible, but I believe it won't all be true and I don't think it will be about making the world a better place.

originally posted by: coursecatalog

If you believe Grant Cameron then Jim Semivan had a bizarre experience in his bedroom with some kind of entity appearing to him. He allegedly went to his higher ups in the CIA (and maybe even Pandolfi) to find out more about what it could be and they told him to leave it alone and forget about it.

Once he retired he joined TTSA so I guess he wasn't ready to leave it alone.

That is fascinating, CC. I've wanted to know more about Semivan--I guess we all have--but he seems a little more of a mystery. I have a hard time working through the new Cameron waiting for the good stuff to drop---I know guys like that end up giving some of the best details though.

Dan Smith and Sarfatti were/are like that too. If one was patient enough to work through the crazy then you'd eventually get some keen personal insight into various of the cast of characters. I find those details very valuable and a key to bringing some of the larger picture and motivations into focus.

What do we know about Semivan? I'm willing to do my homework I just don't know where to start outside of the basic biographical/professional vitae.

While they're doing a pretty good job of that, Will, I believe it to be accidental. Here's my guess on what we're going to see play out within the next two years. If I'm on the general target it could happen faster than that but I'm thinking 2-3 years tops. It's all subjective, of course, and I have no ego invested in being wrong but I'm feeling it rather strongly so I'm gonna throw it out there. I think TTSA is just a middle-stage of the overall "plan" and they will drop mostly out of the picture before too long. They'll be somewhere tinkering with folks heads and antennas and selling the woo and "downloading" plans for anti-grav doo-dahs but they won't be MSM front and center anymore. George will keep us advised if we keep up with him.

Accidental, maybe, but I doubt it GUT

I think it was FDR who said there are no accidents in politics... and if anything the mystery behind the positive press may indicate is that ufology is political. They've politicized it for a reason. Their intent Ill reveal below shortly.

I know we have a difference on politics but hear me out just to make a larger point.

NEVER again will there be any president to deal with trade or be a positive Russian guy, or ever challenge NATO after the present president. And immigration will likely never get done. And all these efforts have been weak because they weren't meant to be really solved.

With Obama, they did that to calm the left wing down…in light of the depression they precipitated

“We f____ed the economy up so give them a black president!” that’ll keep em calm”

Yeah, it’s the same old mob. JFK, Vietnam, MKUltra, 911, 2007-8 depression, a war in Iraq and on the ME, this and that and we are still just helpless sheep

Though I’m surprised they did this with ufology. But maybe like Michael Corleone, they want to deal with all accounts. Remember, the devil doesn't like messy accounts!

This is, I believe, the end of ufology as we know it. Buried alive!

Not to bring politics in this but it’s all related. AND it’s pretty pitiful, the PTB who rule our lives are always scheming and way ahead of we sheep.

People have the impression that if Hillary got elected TTSA would have been better. I doubt that likely it would have been worse.

The good thing (for us) is they don’t really have much concern for ufology so they hire not very competent disinformation agents. They don’t need to; they feel, since people who are into ufology they have little respect for anyway.

What’s tremendously sad is that they’re going to get away with it, as they always do.


All that said..we can look at the bright side. As long as one of us can still think, can still see, there's hope.
And a lot of us here and other places can still see and think

originally posted by: The GUT

I think TTSA is just a middle-stage of the overall "plan" and they will drop mostly out of the picture before too long. They'll be somewhere tinkering with folks heads and antennas and selling the woo and "downloading" plans for anti-grav doo-dahs but they won't be MSM front and center anymore. George will keep us advised if we keep up with him.

I agree. There seemed to be a certain sense of finality about Ep 6 of 'Unidentified' (having just watched the last rather dull half), as if new guidelines for reporting UAPs was Zondo's primary goal, with a pseudo-tearful Delonge beside him wheezing: "Wow, mannn, dat izzz SO Kool". And the viewer sitting there going, "What???"

I suspect even the Young Guns will not be happy with Ep 6. I mean, where are those 'exotic' materials? Weren't we supposed to have a clump of soil samples or I dunno - molten metal - from Rendlesham tested and presented as evidence? What we're left with is three Navy videos of still-dubious origins; unverifiable claims from various pilots; one pilot calling other pilots liars; and an Italian arson case from 2004 which had nothing to do with helicopters being "shot down".

I think we'll be hearing more about exotic technologies in the near future from the likes of CERN and others. Some quantum things suggesting the possibility of "other dimensions." Probably even some bite-size proofs. We're all going to be introduced to the woo one way or the other and whether we like it or not.

Do you believe the likes of Grant Cameron that inter-dimensional portals have actually been laboratory-tested? I'd have greater respect for gossip merchants like Grant if he didn't over-fill his own plate with so much extracurricular Woo and irrelevant garbage from all avenues and angles - a symptom of all related radio shows and pod-casts because, well, they gotta fill the time with SOMETHING.

It's possible, of course, that what we're seeing with TTSA isn't a government-sponsored psy-op/social engineering operation of some sort, but like I've said previously I can't get around thinking this has official approval. If you believe that to be true then the evidentiary items suggest some paradigm-shifting things on the horizon.

Don't forget the living laboratory that is ATS - frankly, they'd be a fool to NOT to use us for some useful social engineering equations. Wouldn't ANY of us in their position do the same? Hardly illegal and infinitely fascinating despite a slight wobble on the morality compass.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

originally posted by: The GUT
Don't forget the living laboratory that is ATS - frankly, they'd be a fool to NOT to use us for some useful social engineering equations. Wouldn't ANY of us in their position do the same? Hardly illegal and infinitely fascinating despite a slight wobble on the morality compass.

I think they already have tbh.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

Don't forget the living laboratory that is ATS - frankly, they'd be a fool to NOT to use us for some useful social engineering equations. Wouldn't ANY of us in their position do the same? Hardly illegal and infinitely fascinating despite a slight wobble on the morality compass.

Let's visit this one more time if I can forgiven for doing so. It would be hard to find a better live-testing community to answer some of these questions. Dr. Christoper C. "Kit" Green sits on and chairs various boards that keep a close eye on events and advances in the neurophysiological sciences that have national security implications.

Below are quotes from two different, but related, projects that Dr. Green is significantly involved in. The links to the reports themselves make for some fascinating--if somewhat scary at times--reading.

Emerging Cognitive Neuroscience and Related Technologies, from the National Research Council, identifies and explores several specific research areas that have implications for U.S. national security, and should therefore be monitored consistently by the intelligence community. These areas include:

1. neurophysiological advances in detecting and measuring indicators of psychological states and intentions of individuals

2. the development of drugs or technologies that can alter human physical or cognitive abilities

3. advances in real-time brain imaging

4. breakthroughs in high-performance computing and neuronal modeling that could allow researchers to develop systems which mimic functions of the human brain, particularly the ability to organize disparate forms of data.
As these fields continue to grow, it will be imperative that the intelligence community be able to identify scientific advances relevant to national security when they occur. To do so will require adequate funding, intelligence analysts with advanced training in science and technology, and increased collaboration with the scientific community, particularly academia.

A key tool for the intelligence community, this book will also be a useful resource for the health industry, the military, and others with a vested interest in technologies such as brain imaging and cognitive or physical enhancers.

Appendix F from the same report above:



True and False Memories as an Illustrative Case of the Difficulty of Developing Accurate and Practical Neurophysiological Indexes of Psychological States

An important issue for cognitive neuroscientists concerns efforts to determine whether a person is reporting a true experience or one that is false but believed. In the last decade, there have been innumerable research efforts designed to distinguish true from false memories. Earlier work examining behavioral differences between true and false memories revealed that group differences were sometimes found (for example, more sensory details in true-memory reports) (Schooler et al., 1986). However, the statistical group differences did not enable reliable classification of any particular memory report as to its authenticity...

The military application of neuroscience research - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

Several of the cognitive science applications that have the most enormous ethical implication (as described by Huang and Kosal) contain advances that are being made even faster than publicly thought. These advances do not include lie detection technology, whose potential to invade the privacy of individuals is an unrealistic scientific possibility (I'm waiting for a theory of mind to be developed first!). They do include an approach to near-real-time, multimodal cognitive measurements to "watch people think" while under stress (an achievable goal scientifically) not under duress (an unachievable goal scientifically).

Not all of the "good" research will be done exclusively in the West--at least not before 2015. The results of this work will make sick people well and soldiers safer, but the technologies will not exclusively follow Western views on ethical questions, such as human stem-cell research, research on willing prisoners, and work on human-animal chimeras…

Revisiting Is Uncle Sam a Closet Ufologist? we find some interesting information pertaining to our subject from a fellow called by the pseudonym, "Jim" who has been identified by various researchers as Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green.

Then there is Jim, whose professional history in the subject goes back to his personal involvement in the Stargate project in the 1970’s and as a participant in the legendary “Working Group” meetings in the eighties. As one of the intel community’s most senior medical analysts, Jim frequently communicates with UFOlogists.

Chris Iverson believes that Tom and Jim clearly have differing agendas, noting, “Jim is the person I have had the most contact with over the last several months and he seems to be interested in the spreading of viral memes over the internet, particularly in relation to this subject.”…

“The whole subject,” Jim says in wonderfully measured speech, “is composed of three components: delusion, sociological groupthink, and a kernel of truth.” Jim then reminds that he is first and foremost a medical scientist. “My interest in this subject is much, much more professional than it is personal. That is, 90 to 95% of all persons who are engaged fully with this [UFO] subject are psychiatrically ill, and by that I mean that they are on medication or should be.”

Jim elaborates that “viral memes,”[see below] in which disturbed people seek validation in numbers on the web, is, or should be, a growing public health concern. That said, Jim nonetheless has a real interest in UFO’s, and seemingly with good reason.

Both Tom and Jim seem to share at least one rationale for their internet excursions: studying the frightening potential of “viral internet memes.”

Coined by evolutionary theorist Richard Dawkins in 1976 (The Selfish Gene), a meme is a unit of cultural information that evolves the way a gene propagates from one organism to another, and subject to all the analogous unintended mutations. In the view of many, computers and blogs could function as powerful meme “replicators.”

Richard Brodie, the creator of Microsoft Word, notes, “Most of these viruses of the mind are spread because they are intriguing or frightening or inspiring, and not necessarily because they're true. That's the problem.” It doesn’t take much intuition to envision an enemy creating memes that can be used to destabilize a society, or a freelance predator utilizing them to cozy up to potential victims.

“Jim” (pseudo.), a physician and former CIA officer in the Directorate of Science and Technology, maintains his security clearance, and travels back to Washington often to work on classified psychological studies.

originally posted by: beetee
a reply to: coursecatalog

Mustn't show disrespect to the golden goose, you know...

You are expected to dance around it, I believe, yapping excitedly.

It is forbidden to wonder too loudly about the flaking paint on the golden eggs...

The amazing thing is that its pulling in interest/investment from silicon valley per the recent articles. The so called techno-financial elite isn't any better at not falling for this stuff then anyone else it seems.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
A situation so bonkers that even the chinless Master of Dark Arts, Dickie Doty, would be taken aback...

I laughed so hard it was like I did 20 sit ups!

If you string together all the lunatic comments from these people, it's literally abhorent and shocking.
A pack of hyenas with the intelligence of a village idiot have manged to worm they way in to this field and stay here for decades.

The non woo side of team that just want the $ are probably realizing they played their cards too soon coming out without Podesta ending up in power, they now have to go out cap in hand. They wanted to make money outside the govt wage but instead have to cross their fingers that their Putin/The Trickster fear campaign pushes the right congressional IRAD budget buttons. They must know they wont ever get back in after this # show.

I finished watching ep six and the entire series is an just a bad infomercial.
They had a useless casting agent as the actors are completely unlikable.

a reply to: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: beetee
a reply to: coursecatalog

Mustn't show disrespect to the golden goose, you know...

You are expected to dance around it, I believe, yapping excitedly.

It is forbidden to wonder too loudly about the flaking paint on the golden eggs...

The amazing thing is that its pulling in interest/investment from silicon valley per the recent articles. The so called techno-financial elite isn't any better at not falling for this stuff then anyone else it seems.

Not just Silicone Valley.

You can now invest in the UFO /space economy via EFT shares.

‘UFO’ ETF gives investors another way to invest in the growing space industry.
a company has launched the Procure Space exchange-traded fund “UFO” of 30 companies to give everyday investors a way to own a stake in the growing space economy.
www.cnbc.com...

“Although there might be private companies that are working on new technologies, it’s really difficult to get access unless you’re an extremely affluent investor,” Chanin said. That’s why Chanin partnered with Space Investment Services, run by former Space Foundation director of research Micah Walter-Range, to develop the Procure Space ETF, ticker UFO.

The exchange-traded fund of 30 companies gives everyday investors a way to own a stake in the growing space economy. UFO also focuses as much as possible on “pure play” space companies, Chanin said, as roughly 80% derive the majority of revenue from space businesses. “UFO provides, compared to other types of investment vehicles, a relatively low cost and diversified away to invest in this specific theme,” Chanin said.

The world of woo seems to be a case of some people actively seeking it out via ingesting chemical and/or occult like rituals and facing a risky path to maintain their own sanity. Or others randomly encountering such events maybe once, maybe multiple times. The impact can be just as disconcerting on these people.

But away from the almost intangible world of woo. (I feel my cough coming back again!).....

Unintended limped out on a bit of a low really. There was an implication that the Navy redefined policies on personnel reporting UFOs based on Zondo & Tom's chat with Pentagon officials. This was the supposed high point and conclusion to the series.

But the one thing I want to go back to is the Italian Helicopter case. One of the Italian officials claimed some bizarre things. Like firing a missile at these UFOs would result in it coming back. However he did state that it was possible to
fire on the unknown craft with depleted uranium (DU) shells. The use of DU is something that's been blamed for Gulf War and Balkans Wars syndrome amongst military personnel.

DU is also used as part of the armour for the US Abrams M1 tmain battle tank. There was probably tons of DU ammunition at Bentwaters during the Cold War as it's also ammo for the A10 tank busters that were based there.

As far as I know the Italian military does not use DU ammunition (might be wrong). So what is the origin of this story?

a reply to: mirageman

It would be useful if some of the aircraft forum posters chimed in to.

To clarify the type of helo that was depicted in the photos, just so we can clarify that the helo depicted is actually within the inventory of the Italian military and if it is, what's it's primary use is.

a reply to: mirageman

As for "Woo" all one has to do is look at the connections that Aerospace / Rocket engineering has with people like Jack Parsons, whose mentor was Crowley.

The "Jet Propulsion Labs" are nicknamed the "Jack Parsons Lab" employees there even dress up as Parsons on his birthday to commemorate it.

Oh and Hubbard ran off with his missus and started Scientology together...

It seems difficult to divorce the occult and aerospace advancements and interests.

So far i've watched 7 mins of E6 and already i'm bugged by a couple of things.

Firstly, 2 mins of what i can only describe as unnecessary docu-drama of Lue's life (not a big deal, just bothers me is all)

Secondly, an error that makes me question the validity of anything that is within this program.

They show on film 2 different people (Clarbruno Vedruccio) both with the same name, but slightly different descriptions;

First guy



Second guy



In actual fact, the first guy is the real Clarbruno Vedruccio - i've no idea who the second guy is, couldn't find any info on him. But i did find that Clarbruno is quite an unusual name. So it seems highly improbable that both men have the same name and both were in the Italian Navy

Here's the real Clarbruno



Interestingly something i saw about Clarbruno:

He graduated in the USA in Physics , then continued his studies obtaining a Ph.D. in Electronic Engineering.

For the National Department of Civil Protection , as a consultant, he carried out research on electromagnetic fields and related phenomena; he is part of the Interinstitutional Working Group for the observation of the phenomena of Canneto di Caronia (ME).

Link

This point may not seem like a big deal to some, and i'm not saying this is Lue or TDL's fault, but i find it hard to watch and believe what i'm being told when such simple errors are made such as this. How can i then believe anything about this Italian incident after they can't even get the names right of the people involved.

FWIW i'll watch the rest of the episode....

a reply to: Diaspar

He also invented;

The TRIMprob (Tissue Resonance InterferoMeter Probe) is a portable system for non-invasive diagnosis of biological diseases invented by Italian physicist Clarbruno Vedruccio.[1][2] It consists of a computer-controlled radio frequency interferometerdetecting differences in electromagnetic properties in cancerous tissue

Source

Also interesting in the patent, apart from detecting cancer;

Useful in archaeology, in techniques of geologic prospecting and many other fields like physics of the atmosphere, weather forecast systems, coherent multi-frequency oscillator in synthetic aperture radar (SAR), telecommunication devices and aerospace technologies

Patent Information

Interesting also is that the cancer detecting device was produced under licence by a Defence Company called Selex ES / SELEX Galileo.

This companies products are very interesting, including some but not all;

Air Traffic Control, Automated Systems, Avionics and Mission Systems, Automation Systems, Electronic Warfare Systems, Cameras, Cyber Security, Electro-Optics, ICT and Networking, Information Assurance, IR Detectors, Land and Battlefield System, Lasers, Naval and Air Defence Systems, Radars and Advanced Targeting, Security, Seekers, Sensors, Simulators, Smart Systems, Vessel Traffic Management Systems, Unmanned Aerial Systems, Sensors and Scientific Payloads for Space and Support Services

Source

a reply to: pigsy2400

Thanks Pigsy

I had seen that on the cancer detection invention, but not all the other associated uses.
It seems Mr Verduccio is quite a clever man, which brings me onto another point from Ep6

Re the Italian helicopter incident, Here we have what seems to be a credible witness (if not an actually witnessing the event itself, heavily involved in the subsequent investigation) with a detailed account of the incidents provided to TTSA but for the rest of the program not a single mention of it. Not a single piece of investigation into what occurred, no analysis on the photographs, no discussion with any eye witnesses...



I guess they needed the rest of the program to push their "threat" theme, which was pretty evident.
Perhaps they are saving it for season 2...or 3....or 4

Oh, but they did find time to highlight the blossoming bromance between LE and TDL...

* facepalm *