Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

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Now ATP documents...

There are some things that have been nagging me and I'm going to put them out there lest we forget:

1. The initial advisory group and DeLonges contacts featured USAF and SkunkWorks with a smattering of NASA connections. And Podesta.

2. The highly bizzare Podesta hack made the original players scurry for the hills, except Podesta and SkunkWorks. Some knowledgable people feel the hack has the hallmarks of an inside job. Remember also how TDL was uncertain of his ability to proceed until he suddenly found himself once again assured it would go forward, but not according to the original plan.

3. Trump getting elected was a sore blow to TTSA.

4. The TTSA crew has never been shy about their IC connections. On the contrary, they have touted them as a badge of honour. This is not how you run a CIA op. But it is how you try to improve your image, which may be sorely in need of some polish.

5. After the USAF pulled out, the Navy stepped up. This is highly curious.

Can we gleen anything from this?

originally posted by: celltypespecific
Hello ladies and gentlemen,

So after reading Tyler Rogaway's new piece (see below) and reconsidering some evidence put forth by Mick West on metabunk. I have to recalibrate my belief that what we are experiencing is disclosure. My calculations that the likely hood of:

UAP/UFO of E.T. Origin= 5%

UAPs/UFOs miss ID because of Black Military Project= 80%

I am a man that's open minded and willing to analyze data in a rational non-conspiratoral manner, the situation very fluid and its important that we are able to adjust our beliefs base on data presented at the time. New data was recently provided by Tyler Rogaway.

I truly want to believe that we are experiencing disclosure but I am beginning to become doubtful the burden of proof is on TTSA.

Ultimately...extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

The three videos provided by TTSA are not extraordinary....they are interesting/peculiar ....but no mind blowing for the claim that is being made.

I believe TTSA has other videos that can explain away the radar reflector, balloon, bird, another aircraft hypothesis.
I still believe that the pilots did witness a Tic-Tac, but people see 'UFOS' all the time. It will be critical for additional videos and radar data to be provided by the pentagon.

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

Radar Reflectors

So no wooting?

Maybe Rendlesham , John and co will up the game?

a reply to: The GUT

Have any of your contacts and folk you are following elsewhere speculated on what the grand finale cliff-hanger is going to be

I believe the the finale is explosive GUT. I reviewed it all here!. Followed by party time at the ranch where nothing really went on until NIDS arrived.....

a reply to: beetee

Yep something definitely changed after those Podesta emails were hacked. I think we can see a long lineage going back to the 1980s - ATP>NIDS>AAWSAP>AATIP>TTSA. All somewhat linked to the Vegas billionaire.

However with TTSA, Rob Weiss (from the entertainment world) plus two former USAF bigwigs Michael Carey and William McCasland were on Tom's so called advisory team. Carey had retired by 2014 from the Air Force to found a number of companies including ATLAS Space Operations.

William McCasland had retired from the USAF in 2013 before he began any discussion with Tom. (Are you seeing a pattern here already?). He began work with ATA which is something you've already pulled up info about.

Certainly a very interesting bio and career. Especially as

"...he served as the Commander for the Air Force Research Laboratory(AFRL), Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio where he was responsible for managing the Air Force's $2.2 billion science and technology program...

Maybe Trump's election was a sore blow. Yet, whatever the real reasons behind this rather bizarrely set up company are, the launch of TTSA still went ahead.

Perhaps this is why the tic-tac incident came to the fore. Maybe there were USAF cases investigated but the support was lost and so the focus turned to the Navy. It might explain why the original videos released aren't really that convincing. Maybe the Air Force had the good stuff but then refused to co-operate. Is that why we heard of other better quality videos? I'm not saying it is. I don't know. But it could explain, if more video footage exists, why TTSA haven't decided to make it public.


PS I have no idea what wooting is!!!!

originally posted by: Baablacksheep

So no wooting?

"Wooting" either means a "win" or having a good snog, as far as I'm aware.

So, does this mean Cellty has STOPPED snogging "Beautiful Lue"? Or is that just for this afternoon, and back to full-on tongues tomorrow?

(Apologies for any grotesque mental images invoked, gang.)

originally posted by: beetee

4. The TTSA crew has never been shy about their IC connections. On the contrary, they have touted them as a badge of honour. This is not how you run a CIA op. But it is how you try to improve your image, which may be sorely in need of some polish.

This "in plain sight" aspect may improve their image to the public at large, but if the masses actually put some thought into it, having counter-intelligence men - ie professional liars - at the helm is almost a joke too far, especially with the parade of lies already thrown at them.

5. After the USAF pulled out, the Navy stepped up.

Which sounds like DeLonge being gang-raped. Perhaps he'll write a song about it - it may even top his dog-buggering classic.

a reply to: mirageman

So, could it be that this is a less sophisticated plan B of some sort?

I think the whole key to understanding this thing is to figure out the motivation:

Why not leave the subject alone? What has changed to necessitate the revival of the ufo subject, under some sort of government control? It is not as if we were getting close to any kind of revelation, so why open Pandoras box if you're not going to be honest about it anyway?

I can think of two things: The public distrust in their government, which seems to be at an all time high and also the push to get into space by other actors than the US government.

I remember Bigelow was furious about the US seemingly sitting on their hands while others made ambitious plans.

But how is it all connected, that's what I cannot quite figure out. And there is probably some money involved as well, because there always is ;-)

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

This "in plain sight" aspect may improve their image to the public at large, but if the masses actually put some thought into it, having counter-intelligence men - ie professional liars - at the helm is almost a joke too far, especially with the parade of lies already thrown at them.

Yes, it is almost like a joke too far.

Maybe it is possible to become so enamoured of your own perceived brilliance and hold the masses in such contempt that you think you can get away with almost anything? Many of these people have been entrenched in a milieu with no oversight and zero repercussions, where rotten acts are hidden for "National Security" and budgets are huge with little control.

Maybe after a while it is difficult to remain aware that you are, after all, merely a mortal?

But so many things about this seem a bit like a joke. Tom Delonge? Google Hangouts and gmail for OPSEC? Making claims you cannot back up?

And also, why on Earth claim that Elizondo was the head of the program if this was not the case? People would have been more than happy with Lou as part of a program. Even only peripherally. But they had to make him head and introduce additional risk into an already risky venture?

Nothing about any of this makes much sense to me.

a reply to: beetee

5. After the USAF pulled out, the Navy stepped up. This is highly curious.

Indeed.
Lookie who owns these patents

Patent History
Patent number: 10144532
Type: Grant
Filed: Apr 28, 2016
Date of Patent: Dec 4, 2018
Patent Publication Number: 20170313446
Assignee: The United States of America as represented by the Secretary of the Navy (Washington, DC)
Inventor: Salvatore Cezar Pais (Leonardtown, MD)
Primary Examiner: Philip J Bonzell
Application Number: 15/141,270

The present invention is directed to a craft using an inertial mass reduction device. The craft includes an inner resonant cavity wall, an outer resonant cavity, and microwave emitters. The outer resonant cavity wall and the inner resonant cavity wall form a resonant cavity. The microwave emitters create high frequency electromagnetic waves throughout the resonant cavity causing the outer resonant cavity wall to vibrate in an accelerated mode and create a local polarized vacuum outside the outer resonant cavity wall. It is a feature of the present invention to provide a craft, using an inertial mass reduction device, that can travel at extreme speeds.

patents.justia.com...

and

oh is that a tic tac
patentimages.storage.googleapis.com...

A high frequency gravitational wave generator including a gas filled shell with an outer shell surface , microwave emitters , sound generators , and acoustic vibration resonant gas - filled cavities . The outer shell surface is electrically charged and vibrated by the microwave emitters to generate a first electromagnetic field . The acoustic vibration resonant gas - filled cavities each have a cavity surface that can be electrically charged and vibrated by acoustic energy from the sound generators such that a second electromagnetic field is generated . The two acoustic vibration resonant gas - filled cavities are able to counter spin relative to each other to provide stability , and propagating gravitational field fluctuations are generated when the second electromagnetic field propagates through the first electromagnetic field

Patent History
Publication number: 20180229864
Type: Application
Filed: Feb 14, 2017
Publication Date: Aug 16, 2018
Patent Grant number: 10322827
Applicant: United States of America as represented by the Secretary of the Nary (Patuxent River, MD)
Inventor: Salvatore Cezar Pais (Callaway, MD)
Application Number: 15/431,823

Not sure why it is a Nary not Navy lol.

This years newly intensified FASB regulations regarding the gov DOES NOT need to disclose financing if it is for national security is interesting timing.

Now didn't congress just get briefed congress that UAP's are a threat to our air space.....

hmmm, *rubs chin* Gee how do we make people scared enough to believe a threat exists that doesn't really exist...

Now if I could just find a prediction quote by a certain Paperclip Nazi about a fake alien threat.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

There are some potential issues with the gentleman who filed the patents Zazz;

Salvatore Cezar Pais is a US Navy researcher. Salvatore has three amazing patents that would be incredible breakthroughs in physics if they are true. The least extreme is a patent for Piezoelectricity-Induced Room Temperature Superconductor. The other two patents are gravity wave generator and inertial mass reduction.

If these could be realized as technologies then we are talking Star Trek level spaceships. The gravitational wave generator could be used for propellentless propulsion to near the speed of light. Being able to reduce inertia would also mean capabilities which currently seem beyond known physics. The more likely situation is that these will not lead anywhere and are incorrect.

The other Patents;
1. Piezoelectricity-Induced Room Temperature Superconductor (2019)
Patent US 20190058105A1

2. High-Frequency Gravitational Wave Generator (2017)
Patent US20180229864A1

3. Craft using an inertial mass reduction device (2016)
Patent US10144532B2

I also thought you would find this article interesting of which I have taken some of the above from;
Source

Even Little Nicky got in on the action on this too;

• Nick Pope, former UFO investigator at the Ministry of Defence, noted that this patented design was “uncannily similar” to the ‘tic tac UFO’ that was reported by Navy jet pilots from the USS Nimitz off of the coast of San Diego in 2004. The pilots saw a huge patch of churning, turbulent water suggesting something was beneath the surface, and then a tic tac UFO that accelerated at an ‘impossibly’ high speed. Pope also said that a similar incident of a UFO flying underwater occurred in Puerto Rico in 2013.

“It’s possible that the patent is inspired by the incident and is part of an attempt to work out the technology behind the objects that were chased by the Navy F-18s. This is known as ‘reverse-engineering’,” says Pope.

and also;

• The Navy patent also mentions Dr. Harold Puthoff, a key figure in AATIP who commissioned the 38 papers exploring exotic propulsion system technologies, which were used in Defense Intelligence Agency briefings filed with the US Congress. This is the type of “technology that we’d need for interstellar travel,” Pope added. “These patents might be the first steps in taking humankind to the stars.”

Source

a reply to: pigsy2400

Sounds more like a "plant" to give the story legitimacy. I'm guessing you're inferring that possibility too.

In broad strokes we're left with two possibilities. Either TTSA is what they say they are or we're being lied to. Again.

originally posted by: mirageman

Yep something definitely changed after those Podesta emails were hacked. I think we can see a long lineage going back to the 1980s - ATP>NIDS>AAWSAP>AATIP>TTSA. All somewhat linked to the Vegas billionaire.

One thing I've flip-flopped around on is whether Bigelow is in charge of his team's direction or if he's being manipulated by certain of his crew by his deep interest in phenomenology.

Whichever, they're all puppets for someone higher up the food chain is a fair bet.

a reply to: The GUT


Or there is a dance off happening for national aerial threat black funds.

a reply to: The GUT

I would love to have a 2 hour indepth interview with McCasland and Weiss...

Maybe we can get them on ATS podcast and Zazz can ask them a few :-D

originally posted by: zazzafrazz

Now didn't congress just get briefed congress that UAP's are a threat to our air space.....

hmmm, *rubs chin* Gee how do we make people scared enough to believe a threat exists that doesn't really exist...

Now if I could just find a prediction quote by a certain Paperclip Nazi about a fake alien threat.

In the following exchanges, Vallee suggests that Anton LaVey was an early adopter of a Project Blue Beam-type theory. I think it fits enough of the TTSA minutiae that it has to remain on the table for now. Under the napkin, of course, but still on the table.


Jacques Vallee, Anton LaVey, and Aime Michel

Anton LaVey is interesting when he discusses the nature of secrecy. He points out that people are most thrilled by the impression of ““discovery.”” Therefore if you want the masses to accept your claims, you should never try to reveal anything but you should arrange for them to ““discover”” it. The best process to achieve this is what he calls the Easter Egg Formula:

(i) The magician gets up before everybody else, scattering brightly colored eggs for others to find.

(ii) He hides them in such a way that they can be discovered with relatively little work.

(iii) The secret of the existence of the eggs is leaked out.

(iv) The crowd rushes out and finds them, delighted with this revelation.

(v) Congratulations follow. (vi) Real secrets are safe and the magician's prestige is enhanced. Is this how the belief in UFOs works? Is the undercurrent built on the Easter Egg Formula?

The saucers are indeed like Easter eggs. Someone got up early and scattered them around for us to discover. Then he leaked out the notion that they were extraterrestrial. I'm not interested in discussing the eggs, nor do I care about the scientists who ““explain”” them away. Let's find out who makes them, and why.Actually I think I know ““why.”” The target is human mythology, the most powerful force on Earth. And there is no question that the phenomenon also functions on the material, physical level.

And a bit more:

I've confronted Anton with the...report on mutilations, which specifically mentions his group. He tried to tell me it was a fabrication by the hippies at the Berkeley Barb. I laughed at this: Flickinger is a Federal Agent with the Treasury Department, not a bearded leftist. So Anton, his back
to the wall, pulled out his wallet and showed me his badge of the San Francisco Police Department:

““I'd have known about it, if the SFPD had uncovered serious evidence. I work closely with their Intelligence unit. They call on me when they have a crime that involves witchcraft or cults, like the murder in Daly City a year ago...””

Anton LaVey Counter-Culture MIB

The idea that Anton had such connections makes sense. He thinks that the government will eventually ““land”” a fake saucer somewhere, behind barbed wire, to generate speculation and demands ““for the release of the data people think the government must be covering up.”” Writer Bernard Newman had proposed such a deception scenario as early as 1950 in his novel, The Flying Saucer .

““Come on, Jacques, it's an old magician's trick,”” he added, intensely serious now. ““They've got to take attention away from real problems. The government’’s right hand does something spectacular to capture people's eyes while their left hand goes on with the real work.”

We do live in very interesting times.

a reply to: The GUT

Of course, you think you are coming out on the front end of things, when all of a sudden from behind...

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Just spilled coffee over my lap-top, LOL!

Such things do happen, it ain't a myth - luckily I'd drunk most of it.


a reply to: The GUT

Delicious info, GUT.

I need to use that napkin now, though, to wipe the keyboard.

a reply to: The GUT

That moment you realise that much of your postings and beliefs are finding common ground within Occultists and satanism 🤪
I prefer to think that maybe thousands of years of religious cult like conditioning has skewed the truth.
Concentrated thoughts on following commandments and instilling fear of higher authority whilst promoting guilt.
Times are changing no doubt, it appears different groups are wanting there story told, their future followed.... I refuse to believe it's aliens till one takes me for a ride on their ship, I will be the navigator, my name is David after all.

a reply to: The GUT

I was very surprised Vallee was very close to Anton. Then one learne Vallee knew everybody!

He was and still is a very connected person.

a reply to: The GUT

Why put Kit Green so high in NIDS a ufo non-believer.


According to Vallee, Kit Green and the Hoff spent their time trying to get info on who in the government is at the top of the secret ufo ladder.

I don't think, well according to them, they found out.


Or is that just the story they wanted Vallee to put out in his diaries?