Secret Door in Great Sphinx leading to the Hall of Records (Cover up!)

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Hanslune

see thats the thing that really puzzles me , they have pictures of the moving of the stones by boat, but where are the designs and drawings and reports of how the pyramid was constructed? Why didnt they find any plans for it , its hard to believe that the egyptians constructed this entire thing in their minds eye , without any plans or detailed instructions or drawings for the men to work with.
Im not saying they didnt but Id find it hard to believe that it could be done without it.

any evidence of that ?

If I remember correctly, there is a small scale layout plan that was found - or at least holes in the ground that were interpreted to be a sort of scale model.

There aren't any designs and drawings for any ancient structure man ever built, until you get to the Romans.

There's only one papyrus from the Old Kingdom that survives. It is the oldest text ever found on papyrus - and by a good many centuries.
What does that papyrus tell us? It tells us of moving the fine white casing stone from Tura to Giza - by boat.

Harte

a reply to: Harte

You can see the area where there was a temporary harbor just east of the cemetery a few hundred feet from the base of the pyramid. No more than 20 feet of elevation along the probable canal route from the Nile river and with the river blocked off during rainy season they would not have had to move the stones much further than to get them off the boats in half a day. The planning and foresight was amazing but if there were important intellectual contributions done by foreign parties they may have taken that knowledge back home with them. The "hall of records" might have been globally connected, I guess you could imagine a regional or global key system with the Sphinx as a guardian of the narrative. There might even be forbidden fruit from the US civil war that dates back that far so I don't really know where this goes off topic?

a reply to: Harte

Holes in the ground found at this site which means some revisionists history concerning the role of Archimedes and the invention of the pulley.

www.inverse.com...

originally posted by: fromunclexcommunicate
a reply to: Harte

Holes in the ground found at this site which means some revisionists history concerning the role of Archimedes and the invention of the pulley.

www.inverse.com...

Archimedes didn't invent the pulley.
You're thinking of the COMPOUIND pulley, which he certainly DID invent (or possibly appropriated from a contemporary.)

Harte

a reply to: Harte

If you had experience racing chariots and grinding wheat with axled mill stones this problem would probably qualify as low hanging fruit. Walking back up would give you a rest. What is more puzzling and possibly unknowable is who did the observations from the top of the existing hill and how did they decide where to put the capstone of the great pyramid?
If some group actually believed they could position the capstone within the accuracy of a just few meters in 10 million there must be a story there. Of course they could have just figured it was self evident.

originally posted by: Harte

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Hanslune

see thats the thing that really puzzles me , they have pictures of the moving of the stones by boat, but where are the designs and drawings and reports of how the pyramid was constructed? Why didnt they find any plans for it , its hard to believe that the egyptians constructed this entire thing in their minds eye , without any plans or detailed instructions or drawings for the men to work with.
Im not saying they didnt but Id find it hard to believe that it could be done without it.

any evidence of that ?

If I remember correctly, there is a small scale layout plan that was found - or at least holes in the ground that were interpreted to be a sort of scale model.

There aren't any designs and drawings for any ancient structure man ever built, until you get to the Romans.

There's only one papyrus from the Old Kingdom that survives. It is the oldest text ever found on papyrus - and by a good many centuries.
What does that papyrus tell us? It tells us of moving the fine white casing stone from Tura to Giza - by boat.

Harte

The trail passages they are duplicate of some of the internal passages near the Great pyramid
www.archaeology.wiki...
www.artifice-design.co.uk...

Paper on them: www.archaeology.wiki...

As noted about 1/1000th of 1% of the written material from the Old Kingdom survived. Merer's diary is a miracle.

The first surviving building plan is from the 9th century AD plan of St. Gall which wasn't built). There were probably no plans just rough sketches and the expertise of the builders.

www.stgallplan.org...

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Hanslune

see thats the thing that really puzzles me , they have pictures of the moving of the stones by boat, but where are the designs and drawings and reports of how the pyramid was constructed? Why didnt they find any plans for it , its hard to believe that the egyptians constructed this entire thing in their minds eye , without any plans or detailed instructions or drawings for the men to work with.
Im not saying they didnt but Id find it hard to believe that it could be done without it.

any evidence of that ?

As noted there are no existing plans for any buildings until the 9th century AD so its probably highly unlikely any specific plans will ever be found - if they even existed.

Are you aware of just how little material has come to use from the Old Kingdom? These are

Merer's diary en.wikipedia.org...
Abusir fragments en.wikipedia.org...
Palermo Stone en.wikipedia.org...
Unas Pyramid text (which has added in all inscriptions found up to that time) www.pyramidtextsonline.com...

That's it. if you look at these you'll find there is very little there in regards to 'engineering'.

a reply to: Hanslune
Wetting sand over 650 kilometers?
The painting doesn’t say how the Colossi of Memnon was moved. Each of the massive statues has a weight of 720 tons.
Located near present-day Luxor, the megalithic statues were somehow transported from a quarry near present-day Cairo to a location more than 650 kilometers away.
Walking the distance from el-Gabal el-Ahmar to the location of the colossi today without dragging massive blocks of stone is more than challenging. It would take a person 5.5 days without stopping to arrive where the colossi stand today.
Now add to that equation the fact that you are hauling a massive, 720-ton statue across the desert.

a reply to: Harte

My bad. I didn’t know I was talking to a moron. Keep living in the Nile. Denial! 😎🤣
The Rhind Papyrus, dating from around 1650 BCE, is a kind of instruction manual in arithmetic and geometry, and it gives us explicit demonstrations of how multiplication and division was carried out at that time. It also contains evidence of other mathematical knowledge, including unit fractions, composite and prime numbers, arithmetic, geometric and harmonic means, and how to solve first order linear equations as well as arithmetic and geometric series. The Berlin Papyrus, which dates from around 1300 BCE, shows that ancient Egyptians could solve second-order algebraic (quadratic) equations.

Romans didn’t come along until 5000 years after the Egyptians.

originally posted by: mcsnacks77
a reply to: Hanslune
Wetting sand over 650 kilometers?
The painting doesn’t say how the Colossi of Memnon was moved. Each of the massive statues has a weight of 720 tons.
Located near present-day Luxor, the megalithic statues were somehow transported from a quarry near present-day Cairo to a location more than 650 kilometers away.
Walking the distance from el-Gabal el-Ahmar to the location of the colossi today without dragging massive blocks of stone is more than challenging. It would take a person 5.5 days without stopping to arrive where the colossi stand today.
Now add to that equation the fact that you are hauling a massive, 720-ton statue across the desert.

They probably moved it by land to a barge (despite what the Wiki says) then moved it to its location and unloaded it and moved it to the present location. The Romans moved 13 obelisks from Egypt to Rome. The heaviest being 455 tons.

Yep I bet it was hell which is why really heavy rocks like that were rarely if ever moved.

Yet they moved it and did it twice. So other than incredulity any idea how they would have moved it? If not in the way depicted?

originally posted by: mcsnacks77
a reply to: Harte



Romans didn’t come along until 5000 years after the Egyptians.

?

The Romans theoretically founded Rome in the 8th century BCE and they conquered Egypt in the fist century BC so not sure how you mean '5000 years after the Egyptians'.

a reply to: Hanslune

Apparently the ice core sample verdict from the 1970's AD pretty much verifies this but we didn't have the internet back then. As a side note there are lot of dead sites, some taken down for "abuse" concerning this disclosure? Must still be considered intellectual property if its not revealed appropriately.

a reply to: Hanslune

You had the Original Egyptians who were the Gods. Then the ones after were the Demigods. Then the humans took over. At the dawn of the vernal equinox in 36,420 BC, all monuments of Giza were perfectly aligned with the constellations. This is when the Gods ruled. Then the Demigods started in 10,450 BC until around 5,000 BC.

a reply to: Hanslune
They built batteries underground at the Serapeum Sarcophagi that lit up the air at night. That tells you they knew how to make electrical currents and knew how they traveled. They were almost as advanced as we are now.

a reply to: Hanslune

Cairo to Rome is on the water. They moved 720 tons across 650 kilometers of desert with no water around. No waterways or rivers or streams.

originally posted by: fromunclexcommunicate
a reply to: Hanslune

Apparently the ice core sample verdict from the 1970's AD pretty much verifies this but we didn't have the internet back then. As a side note there are lot of dead sites, some taken down for "abuse" concerning this disclosure? Must still be considered intellectual property if its not revealed appropriately.

Say what? Sorry no idea what you are referring too.

originally posted by: mcsnacks77
a reply to: Hanslune

Cairo to Rome is on the water. They moved 720 tons across 650 kilometers of desert with no water around. No waterways or rivers or streams.

Ah, Dude this is Egypt except for a few isolated oasis the Nile is always near by. Now the quarry is on the East bank and the site of the Colossi is on the Right or West bank. That suggests a ship or a very wet tow

Here is where the Colossi of Memmon are.

west bank near Luxor

Sandstone quarry of Gebel el Ahmar



alchetron.com...-el-Ahmar

Gebel el Ahmar[4] is located near Cairo on the east bank of the Nile, near the suburb of Heliopolis. The name means Red Mountain. The site was in full production in the times of Amenhophis III, Akhenaton, Tutankhamon, and Ramses III. The quarry was directed by Huy, known as "Chief of the King's Works", and also by Hori.

Typical materials known from this site are: Celestine and quartzite or red sandstone. Some of the monuments known to come from this site are: The Colossi of Memnon

Knox W.O.B. et al. 2009 [3] try to study the source of quartzite of Memnon Colossus by mineral fingerprinting using the method of heavy-mineral analysis, they points conclusively to a Gebel Ahmar as a source for the two Colossi. Heldal T. et al. 2005

originally posted by: mcsnacks77
a reply to: Hanslune

You had the Original Egyptians who were the Gods.

Evidence?

Then the ones after were the Demigods.

Evidence?

Then the humans took over. At the dawn of the vernal equinox in 36,420 BC, all monuments of Giza were perfectly aligned with the constellations.

Their are 6000+ stars and planets in the sky which moves at some point every dot in the sky 'aligns' with something.

This is when the Gods ruled. Then the Demigods started in 10,450 BC until around 5,000 BC.

Evidence?

a reply to: Hanslune

720 tons couldn’t be carried by anything they built. It was too much weight. Not to mention upstream.

a reply to: Hanslune

The mighty pyramid of Khufu silently speaks louder than the chatter of skeptics. It is aligned to true geodetic North and its location is found to be the center of the earth landmass. This sort of precision entails a comprehensive knowledge of earth geography, e.g. mercator projection, which is something very unexpected of ancient Egypt. As for its structure, engineers and scientists conclude that it is impossible to replicate the great pyramid despite the sophisticated technology we have now, given the structure’s immensity and staggering precision.

For thousands of years, the gods ruled and, from among them, one can mention here Ptah, Amon, Ra, Shu, Seb, Osiris, Seth, and Horus. With time, through blood mixing, the shift from the dynasty of the gods to the historical human dynasties was made.
In the summer of the year 1994, archaeologists made a sensational discovery at Faiyum. They discovered subterranean tombs with mummies that dated from around the year 6000 BC, and which have been studied in genetic labs. It was discovered that the DNA of these mummies presented, in some sequences, differences from the human genotype . The differences were major, and they could not have resulted from simple genetic mutations. So, the conclusion is that these mummies did not have human origins. Also presenting some human characteristics, but not entirely, they could have only resulted through mixes between different species, between terrestrial species and extraterrestrial species.