Bob Lazar : Area 51 & Flying Saucers... The whole story.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

True enough. LOL.

I just hope I live long enough for science to prove how much life is in our own solar system, let alone our little corner of the galaxy. I think most will be shocked, when such discoveries are made and proven, publicized.

Thanks for this link. I've been outta the UFOlogy biz (and ATS) for the last 10 years. This was an excellent catchup!

originally posted by: dashen
i always wondered how he violated his NDA and is still alive/free.
a curiosity

By keeping a verrrry low profile

a reply to: JHenski


The things with these programs are, they carry other secrecy agreements that are way more binding than an NDA.

Like living the rest of your days in a little box, kind of punishments.

How do you think they keep the reAl secrets, a secret? Other than honesty and patriotism.

They can and have destroyed people.

Want proof of what the powers that be are capable of? Ask Paul Benowitiz .... Oh wait you cant..... And he was working with then not against them, for most of it anyway.

Imagine if you worked in a real black program and started to even think of saying anything, you think they would just take pot shots at you?

If so, you are very very wrong.

a reply to: penroc3

The things with these programs are, they carry other secrecy agreements that are way more binding than an NDA.

Like living the rest of your days in a little box, kind of punishments.

How do you think they keep the reAl secrets, a secret? Other than honesty and patriotism.

Yep, and that little box is in an area so remote, that even Google maps isn't seeing the area much, hehe.

The thing with Bob though....I think they saw an opportunity to deliver some disinfo, and used him for it. You have to remember that about this time, the government seemed to be employing several avenues to go public with it, or at least, it seemed that way at the time. Then, all of a sudden, the agenda changed back to secrecy, and did so quickly. (and with little fanfare).

originally posted by: [post]Gazrok[/post]
a reply to: [post]penroc3[/post]

The things with these programs are, they carry other secrecy agreements that are way more binding than an NDA.

Like living the rest of your days in a little box, kind of punishments.

How do you think they keep the reAl secrets, a secret? Other than honesty and patriotism.

Yep, and that little box is in an area so remote, that even Google maps isn't seeing the area much, hehe.

The thing with Bob though....I think they saw an opportunity to deliver some disinfo, and used him for it. You have to remember that about this time, the government seemed to be employing several avenues to go public with it, or at least, it seemed that way at the time. Then, all of a sudden, the agenda changed back to secrecy, and did so quickly. (and with little fanfare).

While I dont personally buy the disinfo this- Like Bob says" Whats bigger then friggen aliens.. I suppose its possible?

Small things like knowledge of S4 before it was possible sticks out to me.

Watching the movie tonight after work- excited to see something new for once.

a reply to: Gazrok

I would show all my new employees mockup craft and all sorts of other wonderful props on their first week, if they blabbed.. I'd fire them and no-one would believe them and those that are left, I would know who to trust and keep on

Hello All,

So the big Bob Lazar event took place the other night in LA. I didn't attend although I was actually considering although its across the country for me.

They did the screening of the movie and a live Q&A session with Bob which has been uploaded online already by someone.

youtu.be...

Has anybody seen the actual movie yet?

I have been following this guy since he came forward in the late 80s and in my opinion, I honestly think this guy is truthful. He is really sticking to his guns on details. I just feel like I believe him over anybody else public on the topic, with regards to actual claimed experiences. Regardless of conflicts on proving his Gov employment or education, it doesn't take much to conclude that he is highly intelligent and appears to be the type that would get this type of job lol.

Any feedback on this latest discussion/movie?

originally posted by: JerseyGuy

Has anybody seen the actual movie yet?

Hi JerseyGuy. I'm watching the documentary right now, just taking a break for a while, 71 minutes into the generous 97-min running time.

I think it's clear now that Corbell's methodology is akin to an arthouse documentary - beautifully photographed, beguilingly scored, and not for viewers with the attention span of a gnat. These babies are a universe away from a typical slapdash YouTube documentary; they're SLOW and moody, hooking the viewer in a gradual manner that either repels or seduces.

A bizarre yet cleverly commercial move was to employ Mickey Rourke as narrator! He sounds as grouchy as one would expect, the script either tailored to his general demeanour, or he 'Rourke'd it up' himself with many an F-word thrown in - which can sound crass but maybe that was the actor's proviso. Personally I'd have preferred Corbell as a constant voice-over.

Content-wise, there is nothing new that hasn't been round the block many many times since 1989 aside from a 'hand-identification' security device in current use that seemed to AMAZE Lazar when Corbell handed it over, because it was virtually identical to a version he's seen in S.4 thirty years ago. Was his reaction staged? Dunno, but it's fun, as is seeing Lazar's wife, mother and friends from the past.

As in 'Skinwalker', George Knapp's original reports from 1989 are nicely replenished and presented throughout the film, although why Corbell only speaks to Knapp over his mobile (when Knapp is filmed in person for a segment at the very start) is a mystery, but clearly more of an artistic choice in my opinion.

Perhaps the most entertaining moments occur when Lazar seems to lose his cool with Corbell's questioning regarding allegations of lies about his schooling and whether he was a misinformation patsy. I suspect the angst was staged for effect, but it works well. To Corbell's credit, he doesn't slouch from revealing Lazar's shady conviction for assisting prostitution, including footage of the actual trial which was fascinating.

All in all, it's good fun, if a little slowwww, but that, again, is an artistic decision that may either seduce or annoy. I still have 25 or so minutes left to watch... Will there be a BIG REVEAL of sorts at the end? Heh, I doubt it, but let's find out...

PS: In fact, I burst out laughing at the 70-min mark when FINALLY a Fish Tank appeared. I'm not sure if I'm the only one who has ever commented on this 'metaphor', but it has been a 'star' of Corbell's John Lear and Patient 17 films within the 'Extraordinary Beliefs' series. As to its meaning, who knows, but my guess is Corbell warning us to watch and believe with Caution. If there's another AMA, I'll pop the question.

HA! At more or less the exact point I took a break, the film takes a very bizarre turn indeed, so much so that one could almost advise that this is a SPOILER...


Lazar leaves a phone message for Corbell, asking to meet in a secluded spot where he is willing to talk about whether he removed any of Element 115 from S.4. Corbell promises the footage will be encrypted and safely stored away. In fact, WE are not privy to any declarations or admissions. Grrrr.

Sounds cheesy? You bet! And then we are suddenly informed that, as a result of this 'secret chat', The Powers That Be, spearheaded by the FBI, raided his laboratory the next day, followed by all manner of other lettered agencies and officials who actually questioned him about his chat with Corbell but ostensibly declaring they were there to investigate allegations of the sale of toxic/dangerous material to an individual.

Staged BS? I have nooooooo idea, but it's quite gripping! I'm going back in... I'll report back later.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
HA! At more or less the exact point I took a break, the film takes a very bizarre turn indeed, so much so that one could almost advise that this is a SPOILER...


Lazar leaves a phone message for Corbell, asking to meet in a secluded spot where he is willing to talk about whether he removed any of Element 115 from S.4. Corbell promises the footage will be encrypted and safely stored away. In fact, WE are not privy to any declarations or admissions. Grrrr.

Sounds cheesy? You bet! And then we are suddenly informed that, as a result of this 'secret chat', The Powers That Be, spearheaded by the FBI, raided his laboratory the next day, followed by all manner of other lettered agencies and officials who actually questioned him about his chat with Corbell but ostensibly declaring they were there to investigate allegations of the sale of toxic/dangerous material to an individual.

Staged BS? I have nooooooo idea, but it's quite gripping! I'm going back in... I'll report back later.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but looking forward to it. I have heard about the raid though. One thing about Bob is that he really does know how to do things, like make his own lithium 6 hydride. It isn't illegal to make, but you can't buy it anywhere because it is illegal to sell, but not to make. Obviously these government people think Bob is the real thing.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

The last half-hour really makes the film work as a whole, whether one dismisses it as unconvincing drama or the real thing. Lazar and his shop assistants are convinced that the raid was primarily an excuse to locate traces of Element 115, while the FBI officially stated they were investigating the sale of dangerous material two years ago.

Lazar refuses to admit on camera that he removed Element 115 from S.4 but is readily open about the mechanics of its use. Corbell's technique is tantalisingly exciting, but once the mist clears, we are left with the inevitable and binary "Believe me or not" conclusion.

Despite a clunky, rather obtuse and confusing opening section, the film eventually finds its mojo to end up as potentially Corbell's best work so far. I have no idea what to believe, but ultimately it serves as unpatronising, intelligent entertainment with all the questions left for the viewer to answer.

If Corbell's 'Extraordinary Beliefs' series manages to cover all the major UFO events - eg Travis Walton, Rendlesham, Roswell (for what it's worth or not worth) - then we would have a fascinating library of quality-driven, distinctive and smart documentaries, whatever one's belief in each.

Whitley Strieber seems a perfect candidate for the series. With fish tanks galore, no doubt!

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Rendleshem is a dogs breakfast, I hope he doesn't.
Travis and his kitsch 1970s joy sticks I never believed, Roswell, I'd enjoy....kinda!


Thanks for the narration, I'm looking forward to watching this

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
Sounds cheesy? You bet! And then we are suddenly informed that, as a result of this 'secret chat', The Powers That Be, spearheaded by the FBI, raided his laboratory the next day, followed by all manner of other lettered agencies and officials who actually questioned him about his chat with Corbell but ostensibly declaring they were there to investigate allegations of the sale of toxic/dangerous material to an individual.

ROFL. The good old "the dog ate my homework" excuse.

Good enough for your typical UFO believer I guess.

Lazar to me is quite clearly a con. A nobody who wants to be seen as special, have his 15 minutes of fame.

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
Sounds cheesy? You bet! And then we are suddenly informed that, as a result of this 'secret chat', The Powers That Be, spearheaded by the FBI, raided his laboratory the next day, followed by all manner of other lettered agencies and officials who actually questioned him about his chat with Corbell but ostensibly declaring they were there to investigate allegations of the sale of toxic/dangerous material to an individual.

ROFL. The good old "the dog ate my homework" excuse.

Good enough for your typical UFO believer I guess.

Lazar to me is quite clearly a con. A nobody who wants to be seen as special, have his 15 minutes of fame.

Obviously you know nothing about his story. Firstly, if he is a con artist, then he is the worst ever con artist because he has pretty much kept out of the limelight for decades and while he could could made alot of money from this, he did not. This throws your "15 mins of fame" out the window too!

It you do not believe hum, that's fine. Even I am not sure, but do not use the same old b.s. reasons a lot of ufo debunkers give on other ufo cases, because it is obvious that they do not apply to this case.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I suspect Richard D Hall will beat Corbell and TTSA with the best Rendlesham documentary, assuming he ever produces one, with the various pieces he's mentioned over the years, such as statement analysis. Although he avoids UFO topics now - his documentary with Scott Felton on The Berwyn Mountain incident is astoundingly good.

a reply to: ctj83

the film is a tribute to Lazar....not a documentary about him...
but then we shouldn't expect anything less from Knapps young padawan...always two there are, no more, no less...

a reply to: ctj83
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Anyone have any thoughts to the hand scanners mentioned in the film? I remember Bob talking about them- but am pretty fuzzy on the memory.


Was this the validation the movie portrayed?

Thank you all very much for these detailed replies!! I look forward to watching it!