Bob Lazar : Area 51 & Flying Saucers... The whole story.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Gravity could be diluted in other 'universe's' and that kind of makes sense, but why does it get hung up there? And why can't we see the shadows of what it is hung up on?

If a black hole can really rip and distort like they seem to do, you would think that gravity/time would not be constant due to the effects of the other universe's black holes. Like a bumpy road, and that doesn't seem to be the case.. Time out side of an event horizon moves always foward at the same pace(or appears to).

Moment to moment there is consistent and observable changes, i.e no jumps or slow downs.

If you could truly control gravity there would be so sorts of side effects we would see around us, if these craft play with gravity then why don't the various detectors around the world like LIGO and others pick them up?

IF and that's a BIG if, these craft exist in any form I think they would have to be able to isolate them self's from our existence to decouple their mass and inertia in order to move the way they do. And honestly that is more interesting than gravity control.

Where would they be in that state? What would they be?

I imagine in a state like that you could 'move' as you saw fit because you wouldn't be moving, but the universe around you would move. Or maybe being outside physical reality you can just just pop in where and when you choose. The navigation of such a place is mind bending.

a reply to: penroc3

I will be at the ACE Hotel next week during the premier. I will also be hanging with Jeremy Corbell, George Knapp, and Matt Adams the entire weekend.

a reply to: penroc3

You have to remember that gravity is not a 'force' as we know it. It is a geodesic and a 'field'. Though sometimes physicists talk about it as a 'force' propagated by 'gravitons' and that there is a gravity wave that is detectable, it's not some 'thing' that one can 'control' as far as it is understood. Many physicists describe it as a property of space-time.

Now if you can have an opposing type of wave for example if you drop some water into a bowl, at times it make little bubble globes which skate across the surface due to surface tension. My understanding of what Lazar is trying to say that this is what is happening when Gravity "A" is transmuted or phase shifted to Gravity "B" in long distance travel, but in short travel it's more like a bubble of self-enclosed space-time this is shooting along the Gravity B field of Earth.

I actually have to change my opinion about the questions the Lazar did not seem to answer because I came across the more detailed interview that he did with 'Zorgon' on that other website, and he does talk about that process briefly.

FWIW

a reply to: Maverick7

Ligo....it can detect such minute changes in gravity it's hard to understand

Why does ligo not flutter every time this bubble is created or our local area disturbed by this bubble?

Using your analogy of a pond. A random bubble for mining under water will displace an equal amount of water(gravity) taken up by that bubble.

There are so many detectors in the world that can detect even the smallest flutter that it's hard to think these ships are disrupting that field to the point they can fly but aren't picked up

a reply to: penroc3

Personally given there interaction with one another I believe gravity and time are inter related somehow, they seem to be almost opposites in some interaction's such as the distortion of time near to a black hole and it's event horizon.

I would not say so much diluted as non local but yes the same gravitational source would indeed not only reach one of our reality's but all parallel reality's BUT that does not mean it would be any weaker than if there was merely one reality.

But Hey I am no physicist only an observer just like yourself.

Personally though to make a craft - a solid craft fly like those Lazar claim's to have worked on if an artificial gravity source can not be created then I would try to explain them as advanced quantum craft probably based around some form of quantum translocation technology.

Ever hear of quantum teleportation (it is not actually teleportation but the public know that term it is something called translocation), they can so far only teleport POTENTIAL charges and information but not mass but who knows what may actually be possible and just perhaps we will find a way to entangle solid object's or to change there quantum state so that they can then be entangled, make short range extremely high speed micro translocation's even over a very short distance, an object would appear to move at incredible velocity's, to accelerate instantly and to stop instantly and be able to seem to change direction instantly but in reality the object is not moving it is being trans-located.

Now I am NOT a Scientologist or a fan of that cult but there founder a pulp fiction science fiction author by the name of L'Ron Hubbard used a similar idea for his aliens in the science fiction novel battlefield earth but of course he had no idea that real quantum translocation may be a potential possibility.

But if Lazar's sport's model was real and he had it wrong the central wave guide would in fact be a translocation anchor point, the craft would somehow be entangled in an energy at one end and disentangled from the quantum mirror particle at the other end then entangled again, and disentangled again, there would be no actual physical movement in the usual sense of the world unless it was to do with other LINEAR method's of propulsion when it was not wanting to ZIP away at above relativistic velocity's.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Jay-morris

He wants to stay out of prison. No money need be involved, in a case like that.

www.otherhand.org...

That does not really make any sense about having to lie and say its ufos, just so he would not go to prison. The article does bring up valid points about Lazar and his back round, but saying he made this all up just to stay out of prison is pushing it a bit.

a reply to: Springer

That's cool, are you going to press them? A friendly press that is.

It seem you and Knapp are friends, would you consider said friendship one where he would tell you what's what?

Because at this point there is so much time,effort and money wrapped up in this story I doubt even if there were any doubts they wouldn't dare to be spoken out loud. To much momentum.

I have a hard time taking people at their word, even more so when there are obvious issues with their integrity.

Do you believe bobs story ? And if it were to come to light that there was evidence that parts were untrue would you still take the rest on faith?

I'd love to be wrong about B.L, but as of right now I'm short on faith.

I have seen with my own eyes, things I wouldn't believe it someone else told me.


So who knows really. Only bob

The devil is in the details.....if you had been exposed to Craft of different types and had their functions explained to you...then one might recognise some of what Bob is claiming to be truths....had you NEVER seen or ineracted with such technology you would be clueless no matter what Bob said or says....full stop.

So we need experiencers who can vet Bobs claims....not scientists or physicists or anyone else traditionally indentured.....lol...in this case we need experiencers to vett Bob.

I have heard Bob discussing aspects of the operations of several types of Craft that I know from personal experiences to be true and this is why I first thought Bob was a disinfo agent...he was CORRECT about details ONLY someone who had tangible hands-on knowledge would or could know...so either someone fed him the data so he could and would leak it or he learned it hands-on and my judgement was that he had learned it hands on because his ability to explain in contextually was absolutely stunted and compartamentalised….he doesn't have the complete picture at all but the small bits he does have make sense to me.

It is clear to me that Bob or whoever gave him his data is or was in the process of reverse engineering these Craft.....they are trying to apply conventional verbage and concepts in places they would not had they the full technical picture.....which is why years ago I refused to post on Bobs work and I still refuse to get into it to much....I do not wish to add to or finish the work Bob and his Buddies were trying to do....they can do a lot with very little.....if you give them a valid tip they CAN AND WILL follow it up fully completely and successfully.

If you look at some of the area51 patches they have a yello brick road going off towards the mountains.

Not saying that is S4 but I bet there is more out there than meets the eye as far as hangers go.

IF he saw something IF, than I would put my money on secret drones using unconventional propulsion to sell the et story.

He even says he didn't see the whole craft!

A small cargo or transport drone mocked up with little chairs and what not might indeed look very strange

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: penroc3

Personally given there interaction with one another I believe gravity and time are inter related somehow, they seem to be almost opposites in some interaction's such as the distortion of time near to a black hole and it's event horizon.

I would not say so much diluted as non local but yes the same gravitational source would indeed not only reach one of our reality's but all parallel reality's BUT that does not mean it would be any weaker than if there was merely one reality.

But Hey I am no physicist only an observer just like yourself.

Personally though to make a craft - a solid craft fly like those Lazar claim's to have worked on if an artificial gravity source can not be created then I would try to explain them as advanced quantum craft probably based around some form of quantum translocation technology.

Ever hear of quantum teleportation (it is not actually teleportation but the public know that term it is something called translocation), they can so far only teleport POTENTIAL charges and information but not mass but who knows what may actually be possible and just perhaps we will find a way to entangle solid object's or to change there quantum state so that they can then be entangled, make short range extremely high speed micro translocation's even over a very short distance, an object would appear to move at incredible velocity's, to accelerate instantly and to stop instantly and be able to seem to change direction instantly but in reality the object is not moving it is being trans-located.

Now I am NOT a Scientologist or a fan of that cult but there founder a pulp fiction science fiction author by the name of L'Ron Hubbard used a similar idea for his aliens in the science fiction novel battlefield earth but of course he had no idea that real quantum translocation may be a potential possibility.

But if Lazar's sport's model was real and he had it wrong the central wave guide would in fact be a translocation anchor point, the craft would somehow be entangled in an energy at one end and disentangled from the quantum mirror particle at the other end then entangled again, and disentangled again, there would be no actual physical movement in the usual sense of the world unless it was to do with other LINEAR method's of propulsion when it was not wanting to ZIP away at above relativistic velocity's.

Nope….we can quantum teleport....the craft Bob worked with do not...however the basis upon which you chase that Dragon is real and tangible ..I will tell you this....some of the operational parameters on some of the Craft require the pilot to use bio-interface ability based tools that WOULD BE PARTIALLY ENGAGED if one were to quantum-teleport or translocate.It is correct to say that we do not require the Craft at all under certain circumstances.

a reply to: one4all

And the larger the database in different neurology's that the computer interface has the faster it can interface with different pilot's, in the civilian world this is still in it's infancy but given that many believe Fire Fox the movie was really about a US stealth aircraft.

Thank you, If We can quantum translocation (the reason I don't use the term teleport is that it has gotten mixed up with the concept of destroy at station A and recreate at station B but quantum translocation does not have any destruction it is actually genuine translocation though it can cause a mirror of the self to change places with the self in an identical mirror universe so two translocation jump's would have to be made for each and every translocation in order to counteract this cross over - though the information in both universe is identical just mirrored (so after one jump a right handed guy would still be right handed but to everyone else he would seem left handed and by making a second translocation he is back in his native state in both this and the mirror reality - the mirror reality is not the same as a parallel reality it more of a shadow reality were every action here is identical there but mirrored and we are to them as they are to us, we are really the same being's just mirrored).

Tune into Coast To Coast AM, Bob Lazar, Jeremy Corbell, and George Knapp are discussing this right now. I might jump in too if can stay awake.

a reply to: Springer

Of couse, the one night I fell asleep early.

Did you end up on there

a reply to: Springer


on last nights Talk Radio program (either ***** or C2C-AM) Sunday 25 November '18...they had a lot of references to AboveTopSecret.com on a interview with the Film Maker who made the Lazar Movie


he kept promoting the film as an Expose' which presents the facts & allows the viewer to decide if the UFO technology claimed by mr. Lazar is truth or not truth


the vimeo release is Dec 3... the limited Theatre showing is Dec 4th...there is claimed to be hours of extra film and material covered in the bundle of extras-package, to the Movie itself...

if I was well heeled I would invest in the Lazar-the-man Movie for personal insight and to tell others...but alas I'm hampered by living off y SS benefits



but the "Trailer" was exclusively old, grainy, stock UFO theme snips---and turned me off as to what the actual movie might be like ...

i like Linda Morton Howell ? sp?, but her interviews are tiresome & thats what i imagine the Bob Lazar movie reflects....
a lot of rehashing old/tired/well trodden ground, over-&-over-again.... i will wait for contemporary Reviews by some of my peers...tyvm


?? the release is set for dec 3 @ 12: 00 AM Eastern

now is that MidnighT ??? or NooN ??? ----sheeze i do appreciate military time !

It's just another UFO story that can't be validated neither as truth or hoax. He can't validate his claims and no one can debunk the story because no one really knows what's going on.

It's a money making machine. Now for Knapp, Corbell and friends.

But hey, link me the online movie when it's available. Should be interesting nonetheless.

originally posted by: Springer
Tune into Coast To Coast AM, Bob Lazar, Jeremy Corbell, and George Knapp are discussing this right now. I might jump in too if can stay awake.

What a show...so informative!!! I like the approach of the presenters saying the same thing over and over again so we dont miss anything.

a reply to: vinifalou

It's a money making machine. Now for Knapp, Corbell and friends. 

That sounds very sad? I would prefer to be fair and square about this. So much seems to be occurring of late it's almost hard to keep up with it all.

a reply to: penroc3

That's a very good point. I'm speculating but I think it would be a VBI (Very Bad Idea) to try to engage any kind of gravity well or anti-gravity 'machine' on a planet or anywhere near a solar system.

Very big speculation. I mean once you 'got good' at it maybe you could fly into near interstellar space and rip it open, lol.

There is a very long BL interview out there and I recently went through it and he talks about a lot of the methods they used to try to figure out what the 'stuff' was (115)

He says it was shipped to them packed in aero-gel and it was called something like ZA-1000 or LA-1000. I just saw a vid of him saying the but can't for the life of me find it again

Anyway, on my 'Science side' I'm in the John Gribbin camp - Rare Earth Hypothesis I think there might be 'sentient' human-relatable civilizations at the rate of about 1 per 10 habitable galaxies, but that spreads things out very very thin.

We'll never contact each other and due to expansion of the fabric of space time we won't be able to if the Relativity model of the Universe is correct.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

It is sad.

It's more sad when you claim to have groundbreaking and change-of-society-paradigm information about paranormal/extraterrestrial/extradimensional beings that are flying in our sky with ultra-advanced machines and all you can tell us about is:

"Buy our movie on iTunes and you'll find out."

a reply to: St Udio

Appreciate the rundown. If he/they were driving traffic to ATS, I hope they gave a disclaimer about the ads. That small dig aside, I do believe ATS is a decent clearinghouse of the ‘truth’, as it relates to the paranormal/UFOs/crypto and viewers could do some ‘ground truthing’ here.

Lazar’s story sprung up the same time Gordon Gekko was talking through a plastic brick that you could eavesdrop on with a $39 police scanner. Over that same time space travel has largely stagnated. Billions of humans have access to phones that make the Apollo program’s computing technology look antiquated; we’ve scrapped the shuttle program, privately sourced launches, and still use Russian rockets — so I’m saying there’s a chance. It’s quite possible some government entity (or MIC, whatever one fancies) has space travel tech that’s 10 — 30 years ahead of public release...

In reality, it appears the American viewing public’s interest in all things paranormal/extraterrestrial/etc is peaking and Corbell and Knapp are giving the consumers what they want. I watched trailers for both films (haven’t viewed the SWR film and unlikely to watch Lazar’s story) and never felt I was being over-promised and under-delivered; caveat emptor and that seems fair, ‘bonus footage’ included. Maybe someone can step in and say “it’s BS, I watched the SWR movie thinking I’d get the truth but it was all a rehashing and nothing knew that wasn’t already on the internet”.

I think once you recognize the incredible lid you’d have to put on things to keep something buried for 30 years, you realize what you’re consuming. Not to mention putting the lid on the type of tech underlying Lazar’s story.

I think the release is late Sunday night, Dec. 2...don’t quote me on that.