Bob Lazar : Area 51 & Flying Saucers... The whole story.

The event was fantastic, packed house in the amazing UA Theater (built in 1928) in the ACE Hotel in Downtown LA.
I spent several hours with Bob and his wife and my takeaway is that he believes what he's saying, no question.

That leaves us with only two possibilities, he saw exactly what he describes he saw, or the government pulled an elaborate hoax on him and convinced him what he was dealing with was alien technology.

The latter is hard for me to fathom, to what end would you pull such an elaborate hoax on a cub scientist? Most of the hypothesis on this don't add up, Bob never chased the speaking tours so he wasn't spreading disinfo which would be the only logical outcome hoped for by the intel boys from a big hoax.

The kicker is we're never going to know unless the gates get opened up and the information/technology is revealed to the public. That's a scary thought to the Powers that Be, as their solid advantage in having the power would be lost. That of course assumes the powerful tech is real and not a hoax.

Circles within circles, that I doubt will ever be resolved to anyone's satisfaction.

So, that left me, as a thinking man, with nothing more than gauging the man, his provable history, and ability to look me in the eye and tell me his story.

Based on those criteria I have to take him at his word.

That's a huge change for me.

a reply to: Springer

Remember when Lazar talked about powering up a generator and how a candle was within the field that just froze.. That story was from long ago and some of our members tore into that statement big time..basically saying impossible..

Fast forward to the abduction story's where people are driving and their engine quits..Missing time but as they reawaken in their car the engine starts by itself as the UFO flies away.. It would seem to me that not only gravity is affected but time.. The engine never quit but the pistons and combustion were slowed to such an extent that the engine seemed dead.. Same with the candle. It was still burning but in such a slow motion state it was undetectable by the human eye.. ?

Very few outside the military and a few defense contractors knew area 51 even existed before Bob came forward.. As far as the government erasing his education and work history I think he is lucky that is all they did to him considering the home and car break-ins plus getting shot at..

Remind me to never become a whistle blower or piss some three letter outfit off..unless I am ready for the afterlife.

P.S. Glad you got to go to see the movie.. I have only been able to catch some snippets and reviews but it would appear the case for Bob Lazar has gotten even stronger over time as more people from way back when have come forward to vouch he was actually there and not a darn janitor !! hahah

a reply to: 727Sky

Very few outside the military and a few defense contractors knew area 51 even existed before Bob came forward..

Apologies, as I have posted this quite a few times before, but I think relevant to your post.

I think you will be surprised that is actually not true, George Knapp's mentor investigated the base itself and this is documented in an article from August 1980 - A full 9 years before Bob came forward. The article uses the terminology "Area 51" and "Stealth Fighter". Now remember, that the stealth fighter wasnt photographed or really mentioned in the press until... May 1989...the same month that Bob came forward.

Knapps Mentor "Bob Staldol" and Ned day of the Las Vegas Times, were questioned by base security when they tried to investigate the base and were questioned in person and over the phone... It also aired on TV, as they sent out a camera crew out there to get a glimpse of the base, but all they got were fuzzy images.

Bob might have brought the base into the public domain, in terms of the amount of exposure.. but the story was out there a long time before.

Its even possible, as the USAF knew that there was Soviet Spys laying low in Las Vegas that were trying to get information about the base, someone like Bob comes along, perfect ploy / trap. Maybe the US Goverment planted it all so to try and bring the Russians out of hiding.. as they would want to know more about captured alien tech...

Why would the Russians be interested in area51, well we know from other sources and this article that there were captured migs at the base...makes sense logically.

Anyhoo.. here's the article in question, and make note of the date;

To me, this man is a Hero, and belief him one hundred percent ..

originally posted by: 0bserver1
To me, this man is a Hero, and belief him one hundred percent ..

I belief Bob more than Richard Hoagland and that's not very much!!

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed


Not saying I have any first hand knowledge or anything but the people that get into these programs, on a civilian level, are taken care of very very nicely via pay and as silly as it sounds food at the sites.

If you get read into a program, just the fact your getting read into it and not hired directly for said program means there will be allot of security you deal with everyday, sometimes right in your face.

But the 'scary' security is the stuff you don't see.

It's generally understood that if you are working in these feilds at facilities that are secured aren't going to be the most open and free flowing work place.

That being said, I believe Bob believes his story, it's HIS truth....and that might mean it's not the ACTUAL truth.

I will point to Paul benowitz again, look how for the OSI, and NSA went just to mess with him. They drove him to insanity, because Paul BELIEVED the story they made for him.

And that was all in the same time period give it r take a few years.

There are security personnel that will for real KILL people(on order), to protect a project..it's not a stretch of the imagination that they would cook up a scenario like the B.L story to cover whatever program

a reply to: Springer

Um, did you happen to ask him about an AMA?

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Springer

Um, did you happen to ask him about an AMA?

I'd pay to see that!

(...and that's just a figure of speech, Mr. Springer)

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: Springer

Um, did you happen to ask him about an AMA?

I have some questions concerning his arrest for pandering.

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: saltlick
I have read about all there is when it comes to bob, and listened to every interview on utube, and listened to every show that art bell had with him back in the day. I dont know why but i do believe him. I suppose it has to do with his attitude which seems to be he could care less if anyone believes him, so here are the facts. Stupid thing is with alot of this stuff you either believe it happened or you dont.

I think that is called cognitive bias. You want to believe him.

It is something that I've noticed a lot observing UFO believers. The belief in a story is reinforced by seeing the story teller, the witness, in a positive light. The typical witness is an incredibly credible and honest person. Often he is also seen as a keen or trained observer.

I find that somehow fascinating and disturbing at the same time.

You don't understand what "cognitive bias" means. It has nothing to do with "wanting" anything.

Based on your logic we could use the same "cognitive bias" argument against your ongoing disbelief. You hear a believer of UFOs and immediately your brain goes into denial and begins to process data according to your cognitive bias.

The poster (Salt Lick) says he believes Lazar because Bob has an uncaring attitude towards disbelievers and has represented this mentality since he first told his story.

On another note...what exactly is a "UFO believer"?

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: saltlick
I have read about all there is when it comes to bob, and listened to every interview on utube, and listened to every show that art bell had with him back in the day. I dont know why but i do believe him. I suppose it has to do with his attitude which seems to be he could care less if anyone believes him, so here are the facts. Stupid thing is with alot of this stuff you either believe it happened or you dont.

I think that is called cognitive bias. You want to believe him.

It is something that I've noticed a lot observing UFO believers. The belief in a story is reinforced by seeing the story teller, the witness, in a positive light. The typical witness is an incredibly credible and honest person. Often he is also seen as a keen or trained observer.

I find that somehow fascinating and disturbing at the same time.

Please define "ufo believer"? Do you believe that people who believe that some ufos defy explanation ( plenty of evidence for that) means they instantly believe they are ET?

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: saltlick
I have read about all there is when it comes to bob, and listened to every interview on utube, and listened to every show that art bell had with him back in the day. I dont know why but i do believe him. I suppose it has to do with his attitude which seems to be he could care less if anyone believes him, so here are the facts. Stupid thing is with alot of this stuff you either believe it happened or you dont.

I think that is called cognitive bias. You want to believe him.

It is something that I've noticed a lot observing UFO believers. The belief in a story is reinforced by seeing the story teller, the witness, in a positive light. The typical witness is an incredibly credible and honest person. Often he is also seen as a keen or trained observer.

I find that somehow fascinating and disturbing at the same time.

Please define "ufo believer"? Do you believe that people who believe that some ufos defy explanation ( plenty of evidence for that) means they instantly believe they are ET?

To me a believer is a person who accepts something as true without questioning it and typically blends out anything contrary to their belief.

And yes for me a UFO believer is typically someone who attributes sightings of unidentified objects/phenomena to extraterrestrials.

originally posted by: Outlier13
You don't understand what "cognitive bias" means. It has nothing to do with "wanting" anything.

Cognitive bias is a collective term. What I mean here is subjective validation, perceiving something as true because of your belief.

Based on your logic we could use the same "cognitive bias" argument against your ongoing disbelief. You hear a believer of UFOs and immediately your brain goes into denial and begins to process data according to your cognitive bias.

The poster (Salt Lick) says he believes Lazar because Bob has an uncaring attitude towards disbelievers and has represented this mentality since he first told his story.

But I am not denying anything. You have Bob here who lied about his education. Who is talking technobabble about element 155 and gravity (you don't have to take my word for it just ask any physicist out there). And yet you have persons here like Springer and Salt Lick who decided to believe him because of his "attitude"...

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: saltlick
I have read about all there is when it comes to bob, and listened to every interview on utube, and listened to every show that art bell had with him back in the day. I dont know why but i do believe him. I suppose it has to do with his attitude which seems to be he could care less if anyone believes him, so here are the facts. Stupid thing is with alot of this stuff you either believe it happened or you dont.

I think that is called cognitive bias. You want to believe him.

It is something that I've noticed a lot observing UFO believers. The belief in a story is reinforced by seeing the story teller, the witness, in a positive light. The typical witness is an incredibly credible and honest person. Often he is also seen as a keen or trained observer.

I find that somehow fascinating and disturbing at the same time.

Please define "ufo believer"? Do you believe that people who believe that some ufos defy explanation ( plenty of evidence for that) means they instantly believe they are ET?

To me a believer is a person who accepts something as true without questioning it and typically blends out anything contrary to their belief.

And yes for me a UFO believer is typically someone who attributes sightings of unidentified objects/phenomena to extraterrestrials.

Well, you are wrong! Because someone believes that some ufos defy explanation, does not mean they believe that ufos are alien. Considering the word "UFO" means "unidentified flying object"

You talk about beliefs, but you are using your beliefs too in this subject by thinking ufo believers means they believe that these ufos are aliens.

a reply to: Jay-morris

I recognise some UFO reports as being extraordinary and unexplained. I've even had a multiple-witness incident that still irritates me 15 years later with its lack of conclusion. Still absolutely not a 'believer.'

'UFO believers' do typically associate UFO reports with alien sightings and they do equate UFOs with aliens and spaceships. Steven Greer, the Disclosure Movement, TTSA, MUFON, Coast to Coast AM, Linda Moulton Howe, fans of SecureTeam10/ThirdPhase, Contactees, Area 51 fans and many, many more are genuinely 'UFO believers' in the sense they have a faith in aliens and ET spaceships that vastly overshadows the actual evidence. A solid core of 'UFO believers' have gone past belief/faith into asserting motivations, home worlds and histories of aliens.

It is a negative term, but it's been earned since the first UFO zines and saucer clubs began in the 1950s. Lunatic fringe is more accurate really even though 'UFO believer' has attracted the most usage.

I'm still on the table concerning UFO's. The evidence is too vague to say yea or nay on the matter, however, if solid evidence made headways, I would gladly reconsider.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Jay-morris

I recognise some UFO reports as being extraordinary and unexplained. I've even had a multiple-witness incident that still irritates me 15 years later with its lack of conclusion. Still absolutely not a 'believer.'

'UFO believers' do typically associate UFO reports with alien sightings and they do equate UFOs with aliens and spaceships. Steven Greer, the Disclosure Movement, TTSA, MUFON, Coast to Coast AM, Linda Moulton Howe, fans of SecureTeam10/ThirdPhase, Contactees, Area 51 fans and many, many more are genuinely 'UFO believers' in the sense they have a faith in aliens and ET spaceships that vastly overshadows the actual evidence. A solid core of 'UFO believers' have gone past belief/faith into asserting motivations, home worlds and histories of aliens.

It is a negative term, but it's been earned since the first UFO zines and saucer clubs began in the 1950s. Lunatic fringe is more accurate really even though 'UFO believer' has attracted the most usage.

I know that is the case, but if you are scientific about the subject, then use the scientific terms. It's annoying that I get labelled "ET ufo believer" just because I believe some ufos are unexplained and defy explanation.

This is a belief driven subject, both the skeptics and believers are to blame for this.

originally posted by: KingJames
I'm still on the table concerning UFO's. The evidence is too vague to say yea or nay on the matter, however, if solid evidence made headways, I would gladly reconsider.

There is strong evidence that some ufos defy explanation. Of course this does not mean ET, but definitely needs further, serious investigation.

a reply to: Jay-morris

Absolutely some UFO's are definitely real object's or phenomena that definitely defy the HUMAN explanation and even project blue book had to leave some unidentified or classed with the now infamous swamp gas explanation.

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: KingJames
I'm still on the table concerning UFO's. The evidence is too vague to say yea or nay on the matter, however, if solid evidence made headways, I would gladly reconsider.

There is strong evidence that some ufos defy explanation. Of course this does not mean ET, but definitely needs further, serious investigation.

Serious Investigation, is in order yes. I think we deserve some.