Brexit is a Mess, how do we Fix it.

Scottish government passed the referendums bill , 68 votes to 54

Approval for referendums bill

a reply to: Freeborn

Shhhh, stop talking nonsense Ian and let the grown up's talk.

There's never even been a union it's nothing more than a 300-year auld land grab by a foreign nation who ethnically and culturally cleansed our nation by force.

And who the # is Ian?

originally posted by: sapien82


The thing is though the conservatives keep the afloat , they seem to keep supporting the idea of the house of lords

Oh I don't know.........Tony Blair did a fair bit of rewarding/for favours!!

Mr Blair has also appointed dozens of Labour peers since becoming Prime Minister, including Lord Levy, the Labour fundraiser, and Lord Falconer Mr Blair's former flatmate, who is now the Lord Chancellor. The new limit will not apply to Mr Blair's choice of Labour's political peerages.

Since 2001 the Prime Minister has appointed eight independent peers, including Eddie George, a former governor of the Bank of England.

The commission was furious when in 2001 Mr Blair gave Sally Morgan, a close aide, a peerage. He bypassed the normal vetting process and went straight to Buckingham Palace to award her a title. The House of Lords Appointments Commission yesterday said it was "pleased that the Prime Minister has now defined the scope of his powers".
As political secretary at No 10, Sally Morgan was a key aide of Tony Blair when she was given a Labour peerage in 2001. She worked for Mr Blair when he was leader of the opposition and became a minister in the Cabinet Office before returning to Downing Street where she is now a close ally, confidante and "gate-keeper".

The drugs tycoon Paul Drayson was made a Labour peer in May last year. His pharmaceutical firm PowderJect made an estimated £20m when it was chosen by the Government to supply smallpox vaccine after the 11 September attacks. He had already made two £50,000 donations to Labour, and made a £505,000 gift last June, six weeks after being sent to the Lords.

Tony Blair's personal polling expert, he is known as the "king of the focus group". Lord Gould will play a key role in the forthcoming general election campaign, his fifth, when he will be based at Labour's new campaign headquarters in Victoria Street. He was drafted in to help modernise the party's communications in 1986 by Peter Mandelson.

Sent into the House of Lords after being squeezed out as Labour's general secretary in 2003. A former academic and leader of the Association of University Teachers, he is now a government whip. An ultra-loyal Labour figure, he had hoped to remain the party's general secretary until after the forthcoming election but was the victim of an internal power struggle.

www.independent.co.uk...


Jobs for the Boys......... or I'll scratch your back - if you scratch mine?

a reply to: Soloprotocol

There's never even been a union it's nothing more than a 300-year auld land grab by a foreign nation who ethnically and culturally cleansed our nation by force.

Wow....do you really believe that the English 'ethnically cleansed' Scotland?

Historically a lot of the atrocities - atrocities which should possibly be judged by the standards of the day, judging events of yesterday by the morals and standards of today always gives a pretty slanted view on things - were carried out by Scots on Scots.....lowlanders against highlanders, clan versus clan.
Sure, the English may have been involved, but they only exploited existing grievances between Scots.

I'm not saying it was right, but it was what it was and it certainly wasn't as black and white as you and many other's who romanticise about some imaginary historical time when everything and everyone lived in sweet harmony and it was just those bastard English that spoilt everything allege.

Anyway, my forefathers were digging up spuds in Ireland at the time and were being shat on as well.....as were the vast majority of English people at the time....and possibly even the world over.

Harbouring such ill feeling for a people over events that happened hundreds of years ago and had absolutely biff to do with anyone who is alive today will eat away at your soul and make you a very, very bitter person.
It must be very draining being consumed with such hatred.

And who the # is Ian?

Come now, don't be bashful.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

The more I think about your posts the more baffling I find them.

Your constant portrayal of the Scots being a beaten, downtrodden and subjugated people under the yolk of English tyranny is not only hugely inaccurate but also massively disrespectful and if I was Scottish I would find it all quite insulting.

The Scots are a very strong and proud people.....you do your own people a massive disservice.

a reply to: eletheia

whit dae ye expect fae a war criminal

he is a scum bag

id kick his heid in if I seen him

All getting sorted very very nicely.
The Withdrawal Bill being voted on today includes a LAW that says that there can be no extension to the transition period beyond December 31st 2020.
It's going to pass. The EU will now have to play to our tune in trade negotiations (they won't) or we get a no deal Brexit - exactly what we the people voted for.
TOTAL victory.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

He is saying you are Ian Blackford
in disguise

if ye are , which I doubt, thanks for sticking it to that ignorant prick sitting on his phone.

I'm sure bercow used to verbally scald anyone on their phones during PM's questions?

a reply to: Freeborn

what doesnae kill ye makes ye stronger

I dont think its disrespectful

whats disrespectful , is fighting for freedom for hundreds of years and the deaths of thousands
only to have that change through politics and all that is required was a tick in a box and still #in shat it

a reply to: sapien82

Fighting for freedom for hundreds of years?

These wild exaggerations do you no favours at all.

I recognise and respect your desire for 'independence' but the attempts to portray Scotland as a downtrodden, subjugated place and people is so wide of the mark and to be honest its bordering on the disingenuous.

There are many reasonable arguments to be made to support 'independence', the illusion that Scotland has somehow come under the control of a foreign power that oppresses the native people is most definitely NOT one of them!

originally posted by: UKTruth
All getting sorted very very nicely.
The Withdrawal Bill being voted on today includes a LAW that says that there can be no extension to the transition period beyond December 31st 2020.
It's going to pass. The EU will now have to play to our tune in trade negotiations (they won't) or we get a no deal Brexit - exactly what we the people voted for.
TOTAL victory.

I seemed to miss the referendum on a no deal brexit. Is it possibly just something else you made up in your head?

a reply to: Freeborn

Aye but that is just your opinion on the matter

how is it a wild exaggeration ?
the fight for independence didnt end with the Jacobites
it continued on through individuals such as John Maclean who decided to use political influence rather than with fire and with sword.


I haven't portrayed it as anything , its noted by many that Scotland has been under the heel of the british empire and the church for a long time
just like the rest of the UK , wales , Northern Ireland and England .

in this London centric united kingdom , we are all at their mercy the power and the wealth is maintained through the city state of London.


Anyway what is important is that the government of the day enacted legislation which suppressed Scottish cultural practices
some Union eh

here are a couple of hsitorians saying the opposite that it was in no way a form of genocide

and that this is more important

The case for Scottish democracy rests on the appalling mismanagement of our society and our economy by successive governments we didn’t elect, the abject failure to protect and develop the potential of people living in Scotland, the reality of whole communities disfigured by poverty and the toxic legacy of the British State.

It does not rest on pretending that we experienced genocide. Much of the recent debate around adopting the term ‘genocide’ in relation to the Clearances has been done via a retrospective interpretation of Article II of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. Yet, reading Article II in its entirety shows specifically what does not constitute genocide. “The intent is the most difficult element to determine.

To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, what makes the crime of genocide so unique.”

Highland clearances not genocide

but its important to remember that the government did enact legislation to prevent people from practicing cultural heritage , that to me shows intent, because they were so afraid of another rebellion from the scots backed by the french and having a stewart on the throne

a reply to: sapien82

I came across this, Is it a Scots malaise?


What is a Victim Mentality?
Victim mentality is a psychological term that refers to a type of dysfunctional mindset which seeks to feel persecuted in order to gain attention or avoid self-responsibility. People who struggle with the victim mentality are convinced that life is not only beyond their control, but is out to deliberately hurt them. This belief results in constant blame, finger-pointing, and pity parties that are fuelled by pessimism, fear, and anger.


lonerwolf.com...

a reply to: sapien82

Sorry can't discuss further today.

Its Black Eye Friday and I foolishly agreed to help my mate on the door of his pub.....

Town full of knobheads and once a year drinkers who after a couple of pints all fancy their chances.....far too old for this nonsense but my mate always gets me when I'm off guard.

a reply to: eletheia

thanks But I dont feel vicitimised by the past , I'm merely addressing it so we dont continue making the same mistakes

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: sapien82

Sorry can't discuss further today.

Its Black Eye Friday and I foolishly agreed to help my mate on the door of his pub.....

Town full of knobheads and once a year drinkers who after a couple of pints all fancy their chances.....far too old for this nonsense but my mate always gets me when I'm off guard.

Im finished for two weeks Free ! YALDI

Hope ye dont get any shiners the night mate , stay safe
and hope you have a nice weekend , Ill catch up wae ye all after the weekend, if im sober enough to turn on my pc, I think I will because I have red dead 2 to play

I started the Uisge Beatha posse , "water of life" , its for moonshining

a reply to: Freeborn

Knock them out, it's all good, they might learn something in the process.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth
All getting sorted very very nicely.
The Withdrawal Bill being voted on today includes a LAW that says that there can be no extension to the transition period beyond December 31st 2020.
It's going to pass. The EU will now have to play to our tune in trade negotiations (they won't) or we get a no deal Brexit - exactly what we the people voted for.
TOTAL victory.

I seemed to miss the referendum on a no deal brexit. Is it possibly just something else you made up in your head?

The referendum was not Remain or a Deal.
It was Remain or Leave.
Traitors tried to make a deal the focus in order to try and stop Brexit - but they failed... totally failed.

Looks like we'll get the clean break we voted for now its LAW that the transition can not go beyond the 31st Dec 2020.
Happy days. What a victory for Boris and democracy!

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth
All getting sorted very very nicely.
The Withdrawal Bill being voted on today includes a LAW that says that there can be no extension to the transition period beyond December 31st 2020.
It's going to pass. The EU will now have to play to our tune in trade negotiations (they won't) or we get a no deal Brexit - exactly what we the people voted for.
TOTAL victory.

I seemed to miss the referendum on a no deal brexit. Is it possibly just something else you made up in your head?

The referendum was not Remain or a Deal.
It was Remain or Leave.
Traitors tried to make a deal the focus in order to try and stop Brexit - but they failed... totally failed.

Looks like we'll get the clean break we voted for now its LAW that the transition can not go beyond the 31st Dec 2020.
Happy days. What a victory for Boris and democracy!

Yes so you have just confirmed, contrary to your earlier claim, that it was not a vote for a no deal brexit.

Good to see you are still going on with your childish traitor crap however.