Brexit is a Mess, how do we Fix it.

a reply to: Soloprotocol
Just Google it fella.
Carry on whinging though, I think your angry anti English stance is #ing hilarious...and uninformed because you just listen to the bull# SNP propaganda.
London, or the financial sector city of London pays the bills for all of us, and that makes you cry lol
Get over yourselves and be part of the family...the family your people voted to remain part of in the referendum haha.
I still remember the pre-referendum threads, funny as #, you lost mate, unlucky, now go burn an English flag and have a wank over it or something.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Direct democracy is where it is at.

I've been a long time advocate of Direct Democracy.

One thing is for certain, party politics is no longer fit for purpose and the number of people on here, of varied political persuasions, who recognise and acknowledge that is a good thing.
Once over any mention of Direct Democracy or any sort of reform was met with immediate derision.

a reply to: sapien82

I bet if you were to poll the UK you'd find that the majority have no faith in government to pull us through brexit

The vast majority have no faith in the government full stop!
And no faith in the system that generates the government or the leeches that infest it and whose sole concern is the maintenance of the status quo.

I agree entirely with you - devolved power to the regions within a Federal Republic of sorts and increased electorate involvement through Direct Democracy.

a reply to: Flavian

People's knowledge will increase with increased involvement and improved communication free from manipulation from vested interests and old school elites.

Improved education and the reversal of the dumbing down of society can only lead to a more informed electorate.

Nations require long term goals, not short term gratification.

And what do we have now?

Things need to change....and this is the perfect time to start the process of change....never before has the system been shown so clearly for what it really is; rancid to the core!

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: teapot

Some of those remainers who by dint of their youth and the dumbed down education they received via the national curriculum, will perhaps still by alive to thank the leavers for saving them from enforced conscription into the EU 'super-army'?

Mentally constipated.

Poor you!

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I'm happy for you to leave to be honest, you are net benefits of UK budget, not net contributors. My region is a net contributor with foreign tourists...yet we don't whinge like you rabid Scots.

en.wikipedia.org...

The economy of Cornwall in South West England, is largely dependent upon agriculture followed by tourism. Cornwall is one of the poorest areas in the United Kingdom with a GVA of 70.9% of the national average in 2015.[1] and is one of four UK areas that qualifies for poverty-related grants from the EU (European Social Fund). Farming and food processing (in 2006) contributed £366 million to the county, equal to 5.3% of Cornwall’s total GVA.[2] The agricultural/food industry in Cornwall employs 9,500 people, (4.9% of all Cornish employees.) 23,700 (12.1% of all Cornish employees) are employed in the food industry in Cornwall[3][2] The Cornish economy also depends heavily on its successful tourist industry which contributes 24% of Cornwall's GDP[4] and supports about 1 in 5 jobs (19% in Kerrier, Restormel and Scilly, 24% in Penwith, 23% in North Cornwall, 22% in Carrick and 14% in Caradon).[5] Tourism contributed £1.85 billion to the Cornish economy in 2011

So there you have it, Your region relies heavily on EU subsidies and is one of the poorest areas of the UK. Your "super duper Tourism industry" Contributes a poxy £1.85 Billion to the economy. Whereas Scotland only contributed a mere £12 billion

really couldn't make this # up. Well, you do, and you hope no-one looks up the facts and figures.

C'mon then mouth, Show me the numbers on Scotland being subsidised by you lot, When I say you lot I certainly don't mean Cornwall, the subsidy junky of the UK and EU. Cornwall, Twinned with Trampsville. .

a reply to: Soloprotocol
Trampsville hahaha!
We don't moan like victims here though, your whinging is #ing priceless.
The tourist income 'per capita' is a net benefit to the UK compared to the low winter population. We pay our way here, and get less government money 'per capita' than Scotland does.
You are just auld whinge bags lol

England steals £160 million Eu funding from Scotland.

Hate to break this to you all but Scotland has been a net contributor to the UK economy for the past 37 years, every year bar one. That's why we get more back per head because we pay more in. It's how the Barnett formula works.

But here's the rub, As we don't have control over the books, The real books. We are not allowed to see them. We have no idea exactly what Scotland actually pays in, My guess is a lot more, A helluva lot more. You guys don't know the half of the dirty tricks Westminster pulls to keep our actual GDP figures down. Gas and Oil registered from an "Unkown area of origin, Same with whisky???????

a reply to: Soloprotocol

We'll never find agreement fella, chase your independence and good luck because it won't affect my life in any way.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

chase your independence

Till the day I die.

UK government has been found in contempt of parliament for the first time ever.

Theresa May's government has been found in contempt of parliament after it refused to comply with a motion passed by MPs demanding that it release the full legal advice on the prime minister's Brexit deal. MPs voted by 311 to 293 to find May's government in contempt on Tuesday afternoon. It is the first time a UK government has been found in contempt by MPs in parliamentary history.

d'ya think they have something to hide?.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Flavian

i think we elect professionals in every field to assist government , like civic duty that if you are a professor or doctor of a subject such as economics , environment, health , education etc then you do your civic duty and are elected to the board for a term and advise on issues !
and we rotate it continually always refreshing the pool of expertise

That definitely makes more sense to me. With the added proviso that they work towards long term goals rather than kneejerk reactions.....

a reply to: Soloprotocol

No i actually think this is about party politics rather than Brexit. The government has always provided a legal summary on major issues discussed in the House - Kier Starmer included when he worked for His Tonyness.

Now however he seems to have a major issue with this.

But that's the problem (not party politics) the government HAS had full legal advice on Brexit. BBUUUTT, it's only released a portion not the entire paper. What is it they don't want out. How can you come to an informed vote if you only have part of the information?

a reply to: Flavian

a reply to: crayzeed

There was a binding binding commons vote on Brexit legal advice being presented in full to parliament.

Contemptibly, the govt chose to only publish the summary.

a reply to: crayzeed

But thats kind of my point. All UK governments have provided a summary of legal issues before and it has never been a point of contention - neither Conservative, Liberal or Labour in any previous government have raised an objection before when this has been done.

Only this time, when the nation is split down the middle, have they decided it is suddenly an issue. Don't believe this is about Brexit, this is about political capital. As many others have said, its rotten to the core.

a reply to: Flavian

Don't believe this is about Brexit, this is about political capital.

The whole Brexit referendum was about political capital. It was top of the Tories manifesto and probably tipped the balance for them to win the election.

In the next few days, we could see a few things happen. 1, The Tories call an election. 2, They cancel the vote on their Brexit proposal. 3, Article 50 is canceled. See article 49. 4, I blow the bastards up.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: 83Liberty
Haha solo you do make me laugh.
You need to calm down and obey your English masters!

You need to try saying that kind of crap in a bar up in Glasgow.

I absolutely hate how folk like you are more than happy enough to spout derogatory crap like this cowering behind the anonymity of screen, yet you say that kind of rubbish without that vale of protection your going to wind up on your back wondering why the angry scotsman hurt you.

Pathetic.

Everyone's a hard man on the internet I guess.

How about you just keep it civil.

Haha you triggered much?
I don't see what I wrote could be deemed "derogatory". I honestly thought you Scot's were a lot more thick skinned and could take a joke.

And for the record it was a joke! I love and have no problem with most of the Scottish people.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: Flavian

Don't believe this is about Brexit, this is about political capital.

The whole Brexit referendum was about political capital. It was top of the Tories manifesto and probably tipped the balance for them to win the election.

In the next few days, we could see a few things happen. 1, The Tories call an election. 2, They cancel the vote on their Brexit proposal. 3, Article 50 is canceled. See article 49. 4, I blow the bastards up.

You are gonna blow up parliament if they cancel article 50? Good man, I knew we would make a leaver out of you.

a reply to: SprocketUK

I knew we would make a leaver out of you.

Not a chance in hell i would deny future generations the same benefits we all enjoyed as a member of the European community.

# the UK and the FUcking EU

thats how I feel right about now !

a reply to: sapien82
Independence ?