Brexit is a Mess, how do we Fix it.

We should take the deal.. When out start to hardball. Make our own decisions as we are out. Decide what is still fair to pay while in transition. If the EU or Ireland want a hard border it is on them ignore that border leave it free like it is.
Or Labours way whatever that is including a customs union and single market and Nationalization Yikes. Or a goddamn 2nd referendum dum dum or peoples vote and can kicking some more. Once we are out we are out and can negotiate a better deal.. BREXIT.
But the blind cannot seeeeeee.

originally posted by: skywatcher44
We should take the deal.. When out start to hardball. Make our own decisions as we are out. Decide what is still fair to pay while in transition. If the EU or Ireland want a hard border it is on them ignore that border leave it free like it is.
Or Labours way whatever that is including a customs union and single market and Nationalization Yikes. Or a goddamn 2nd referendum dum dum or peoples vote and can kicking some more. Once we are out we are out and can negotiate a better deal.. BREXIT.
But the blind cannot seeeeeee.

So you for one have bought it..... IF the deal is taken we are tied into the

customs union and while in have to continue to adhere to their rules and

the ECJ and unable to make our own deals.

But hey!! we are being told it will only be a temporary measure and we are

free to leave when we are ready.


***WE ARE READY NOW.***


What is not being said very loudly, indeed it is only being whispered is that we

have to have the permission from the EU to be allowed to leave!!!!

If they are hanging on to us now like drowning men ...... what makes you think

they have any intention of giving their permission to us EVER LEAVING?


I dont get why anyone would think another vote would be any different to the

first one. And dont anyone say the polls ...... I cant remember the last time

there was a poll that reflected the result.


Theresa May announced on Monday 20 March 2017 that the UK would formally

invoke Article 50. From that time till the last couple of months her mantra had

been *No deal is better than a bad deal* So what happened to that ...



Because now her mantra is *My deal is the only viable deal* ...... *No deal will be

disastrous for the country* and that leaves only one other alternative....

*NO Brexit*


So where did she lose *No deal is better than a bad deal* Does she really

expect us to not remember or does she think the whole of the electorate has

Alzheimer's.

a reply to: eletheia

Dude we leave on the 29th March if we vote for this deal. The EU cannot in fact rule if we have left, we can hardball for a decent free trade deal like the EU seems to do with others Canada for instance. The EU will not tie us in we will say we are joint ready with a deal and they say ok or no more funds from us. So 2 years and freedom with no Hard business catastrophes
and trade, sevices , Euro workers, expats are not effected by us falling out.
Otherwise Corbyn could well win an election then it is permanent tied to the EU. And nationalizing half the friggin Country .what would that do with business and boy would the pound tumble then.
Or a remoaner re-vote in some way to tie us in. Instead of blindly jumping out which would upset to many and loose friends.
The only way to get out is to vote with May and if they can tweak a little maybe better. IMHO I only want out.
We are closer than ever to being stuck in if a no vote.
Even May wants us smoothly OUT. Like we voted for.. DE Mocracy..

originally posted by: skywatcher44

Dude we leave on the 29th March if we vote for this deal. The EU cannot in fact rule if we have left, we can hardball for a decent free trade deal like the EU seems to do with others Canada for instance. The EU will not tie us in we will say we are joint ready with a deal and they say ok or no more funds from us. So 2 years and freedom with no Hard business catastrophes

You've obviously not read the small print.

Or a remoaner re-vote in some way to tie us in. Instead of blindly jumping out which would upset to many and loose friends.
The only way to get out is to vote with May and if they can tweak a little maybe better.

Lol!! May was a remainer and the way she is working it she is still

a remainer. What happened to her mantra of the past 18 months that

*No deal was better than a bad deal* she's suddenly gone very

quiet with that and its now...... Its MY deal or NO deal or no Brexit.

IMHO I only want out.

I'd be more than happy with NO deal ...... We want to leave the club ......

So lets leave we dont need a deal

end of the day doesnt matter what deal or no deal

its the tax payer who has to foot the bill !

no matter what happens we are paying for it !

just like the banks bail out

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: skywatcher44

Dude we leave on the 29th March if we vote for this deal. The EU cannot in fact rule if we have left, we can hardball for a decent free trade deal like the EU seems to do with others Canada for instance. The EU will not tie us in we will say we are joint ready with a deal and they say ok or no more funds from us. So 2 years and freedom with no Hard business catastrophes

You've obviously not read the small print.

Or a remoaner re-vote in some way to tie us in. Instead of blindly jumping out which would upset to many and loose friends.
The only way to get out is to vote with May and if they can tweak a little maybe better.

Lol!! May was a remainer and the way she is working it she is still

a remainer. What happened to her mantra of the past 18 months that

*No deal was better than a bad deal* she's suddenly gone very

quiet with that and its now...... Its MY deal or NO deal or no Brexit.

IMHO I only want out.

I'd be more than happy with NO deal ...... We want to leave the club ......

So lets leave we dont need a deal

The problem is that No Deal kicks the financial industry in the nuts - they are terrified of it. Hell, it kicks the entire country in the nuts. Can we please come to terms with the fact that Jacob Rees-Mogg and BoJo do not know what they are talking about? The Praetor has never been trusted with a ministerial position and BoJo was one of the worst Foreign Secretaries we have ever had. The only thing that unites those two (other than Brexit) is the fact that they are both very rich men who will never be impacted by the financial implications of Brexit.

You are takling Brexit ... that's a done deal. What about Italy leaving the EU next ?
That seems to be the actual secret plan of president Mattarella and Macron, while they are busy pretending to be fighting over libya !

I still don't understand where do they want to go with the old style "spread" bull#, again in 2018 ... or with the same old threat against people's personal savings. It looks like their threats are not really working anymore ... are they ?

a reply to: Flanker86

invent a new war or new enemy to worry about ?

always seems to be the plan!

For Brexiteers who still don't understand where we are in all of this, And those who still believe in Moonbeams and happy ever afters. Watch the video below.

The media sold it, They peddled their #. And you ate. In fact, You are still eating it. This thread and others on the same subject (leaving the EU) is living and documented proof that your average joe public is very easily be manipulated. It's text book stuff.

I'm just glad i'm not that guy.

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
For Brexiteers who still don't understand where we are in all of this, And those who still believe in Moonbeams and happy ever afters. Watch the video below.

Just like every remainer you patronisingly assume every Brexiter is ignorant.

I havent heard any of them talk moonbeams unicorns or happy ever afters.


What has been said is 'after an initial hit we will be better off in the long

term,' most have researched all angles not simply youtube video's and can see

the duplicity from the likes of Osborne, Hammond, and Carney etc...etc...


All of them precisely of the rich ilk that you constantly moan about.

For every video you post for remain.....there is another for leave, so it proves

nothing.

The media sold it, They peddled their #. And you ate.

Patronising much??

Only a fool buys what they dont want, and what someone else is selling

without checking the nuts and bolts testing or researching.

This thread and others on the same subject (leaving the EU) is living and documented proof that your average joe public is very easily be manipulated. It's text book stuff.

What is an 'average joe public?' because the division is near equal

And you? are you better than joe public?

There are self made business people who are equally divided between remain

and leave ..... but hey!! you know better.

I havent heard any of them talk moonbeams unicorns or happy ever afters.

Your whole theory with regards to brexit is based on moonbeams and happy ever after fairytale garbage. You make out like your some sort of expert on world finances and current affairs when in fact you are living in a dream world minus Macron, Merkel and Migrants.

99% of financial experts are telling you we are #ed if you just listen. 0.9% are on the fence and 0.1%, Liars. The Brexiteers Tory scum who promised a nation of bigotted #wits a referendum to leave the EU, for personal gain ima, are simply lying to you. All the while crossing their fingers and hoping for # knows what, more moonbeams. But hey, They have their blue (probably German or Irish) passports ready for when the # hits the fan anyway.

I tend to believe the 99% of financial experts who have no skin in this game.

Even your Brexit legend Rees Mogg has said it could take 50 years for the UK to see any benefits from leaving the EU. Farage recently said, “After Brexit whether for good or ill, we will be self-governing. That’s the point. I never said it would be a beneficial thing to leave and everyone would be better off, just that we would be self-governing."

There are zero benefits from dumping half a billion people from your customer base. Zero. No doubt you'll find a positive in that. Mental case.

a reply to: eletheia

Just like every remainer you patronisingly assume every Brexiter is ignorant.

No, Ignorant?. No, not at all. I would assume Brexiters are as Thick as #.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

99% of financial experts are telling you we are #ed if you just listen. 0.9% are on the fence and 0.1%,

You have a source for that?

Brexiteers Tory scum, are simply lying to you whilst crossing their fingers and hoping for # knows what, but hey, They have their passports ready for when the # hits the fan anyway.

Whats your point?.......Most of them are remainers

I tend to believe the 99%.

Source

Even your Brexit legend Rees Mogg has said it could take 50 years for the UK to see any benefits from leaving the EU. Farage recently said, “After Brexit whether for good or ill, we will be self-governing. That’s the point. I never said it would be a beneficial thing to leave and everyone would be better off, just that we would be self-governing."

Maybe you wouldn't moan so much if you were a few quid behind either

of them. I would rather take advice from them (self made) than you

There are zero benefits from dumping half a billion people from your customer base. Zero. No doubt you'll find a positive in that. Mental case.

Customers come and customers go we will be better able to fill the gaps

than the EU who take years to make deals and tariffs the suit OUR needs.

One size doesn't fit all!

a reply to: eletheia

Maybe you wouldn't moan so much if you were a few quid behind either of them. I would rather take advice from them (self made) than you

My earlier post about pensioners not being allowed to vote has surely now been vindicated. I'm gobsmacked that i'm actually speaking to an adult here. In fact, I'm embarrassed for you.

oh, And you must be the only pensioner on earth who sits up to the back of 2 in the morning and has a world of warcraft character for a username. Pensioner my arse.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Customers come and customers go we will be better able to fill the gaps

Once again, an Embarrassing statement from a supposed adult. Half a billion customers don't just 'come and go', numbnuts.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Do you have to be so consistently rude and insulting to other posters? Try playing the ball, not the man, for a change.

a reply to: oldcarpy

Do you have to be so consistently rude and insulting to other posters? Try playing the ball, not the man, for a change.

Nope, The debating ship sailed a long time ago. Johnny Englanders stupid decisions keep my country and it's people down and continues to do so, so the gloves are well and truly off and will remain off until we/us/Scotland are shot of London. No quarter and no #s to give. Soar Alba.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

I seem to recall that you chaps had a referendum about all that and that your side lost. Not our decision, yours.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
a reply to: oldcarpy

Nope, The debating ship sailed a long time ago. Johnny Englanders stupid decisions keep my country and it's people down and continues to do so, so the gloves are well and truly off and will remain off until we/us/Scotland are shot of London. No quarter and no #s to give. Soar Alba.

You had your chance.... you had your referendum to leave the UK.

And the more intelligent majority chose to remain;


Obviously the majority of the Scots are far more intelligent

than yourself in knowing what is best for them.


Edit.
When you quote a poster don't cut the quote to make it fit in with your

agenda

a reply to: eletheia

And the more intelligent majority chose to remain; Obviously the majority of the Scots are far more intelligent than yourself in knowing what is best for them

Once again, Embarrassing.