Fox & Friends Poll Designed to Discredit Medicare for All Explodes in Their Face

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: highvein

The VA does a great job and the majority of ex-mil like it. There is a reason horror stories hit the press, and mundane everyday satisfied "customers" go unpublished.

only ex military I have that come into the pharmacy hate it, and payout of pocket for prescriptions at our store....i hear plenty of horror stories, and these dont make the paper. that said, I am sure some do like it, but might be a stretch to say the majority do imo.

Headline:
The private insurance system is going to bust before the medicare system. Our system will either change with a plan or people will stop paying and it all comes crashing down.
And I think it will come crashing down-too much money and every day is billion$-literally.

1.5%, well that makes sense. Have you seen the budgetary problems for medicare? I think the last reading was for it to be completely insolvent within 8 years at this point and that is probably prolonged due to accounting magic of epic levels.

a reply to: ClovenSky

I guess Medicare would be better than nothing, but from what I've been told by those who have it, it really sort of sucks.
People who retire and are used to good insurance, are forced to take Medicare when they turn a certain age, and they are shocked at how bad it is. They say you must have a second insurance to back it up, which you also have to pay for.

Medicare isn't free either.

But again, I guess it's better than nothing, which many people have.

a reply to: CharlesT

I'm sorry I am unable to honestly confirm your biases.

a reply to: angeldoll

Boils down to we are screwed.

If you believe the "free market" is the way-I believe it is going to go bust.

If you want single payer, we may really want to be careful what we wish for.

The present system is going to have to change planned or otherwise.

a reply to: atsgrounded

Good, at least that would be a step in the right direction. Some type of a return to sanity.

An implosion is probably what we need at this point but that will never be allowed to happen. There are a ton of make believe jobs that involve insurance, but I guess that is the majority of our economy anymore, pushing paper.

You know what the great thing about this scenario is? All I have to do is sit back and watch. I am sure there will be monthly stories of socialized health care imploding around the globe or at least delicious stories of long wait times and/or funding issues.

One thing is certain, we will not be trying anything that has the chance of success. That will only come from the ground up. Doctors that get sick of 2/3rds of their profits going to paperwork and compliance. Patients that start ditching insurance all together and pay cash, making deals with the direct service providers. I would even guess once this reaches critical mass, the government will do everything in its power to bring these renegades back onto the plantation.

Time will tell.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: CharlesT

Being rather selfish and self serving, are you?

I work for my own money and support my own family... I'm not exchanging my precious time, blood, sweat, and tears to support people I owe no responsibility to.

You already do. Where do you think your health insurance payments disappear to, a void? No, they get pooled, then pulled and used to pay another policy holder's claims.

Seriously dude. You're already playing a socialist game here, you just don't realize it.

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: Throes

If you pay health insurance (privatized socialism) you give 20-30% of the premiums to the insurance co to shuffle paper. Medicare does it for 1.5%.

Don't forget lining shareholder pockets. Ever stop and wonder exactly how much you pay for private health insurance is actually paying for the healthcare? Dollars to donuts it's a bigger ripoff than a slight tax hike would be.

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: highvein

The VA does a great job and the majority of ex-mil like it. There is a reason horror stories hit the press, and mundane everyday satisfied "customers" go unpublished.

The majority like it? I would need a link for that. I have my own experience with the VA to know about it. The people who work at the one I go to doesn't give a damn if your lying on the floor dying they are only there for a paycheck. I had to get my gall bladder removed and it was a butcher job.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I'm not bias. I'm to old and decrepit to be bias.

Edit: Deflection much!

originally posted by: Throes

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: highvein

The VA does a great job and the majority of ex-mil like it. There is a reason horror stories hit the press, and mundane everyday satisfied "customers" go unpublished.

Everyone I know that is ex military hates it.

Me too. But it is healthcare. The pro's and cons are always going to be there. I could go along with the medicare for all, but a lot of people are going to be very angry when they realize just how they are going to be treated as patients.

Isn't there a quiet inside voice or sneaking suspicion for the lovers of free health care that removing full accountability for a person's health is the wrong direction to travel?

Is there a possibility that people won't be fully responsible for their own health when someone else is picking up the tab?

Why don't we look at why we are becoming sicker and sicker with each passing day? Why are our collective waist lines increasing and diabetes skyrocketing as of late? Do we even have a clue? I mean, it appears the medical establishment is becoming larger and larger with each passing year. If they are good for society, whey aren't we getting healthier in direct proportion to the largeness of this conglomerate?

What if going to the doctor is the worse thing a person can do for their health? I can understand something simple like setting a broken bone or sewing shut an open wound. But for maintaining every day health? Why don't people take responsibility for their health and start trying things on their own instead of becoming a slave to the pharmaceutical masters?

Does this all come back to taking responsibility for your own self compared to the comforting lies of having someone else do it for you?

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: Throes

If you pay health insurance (privatized socialism) you give 20-30% of the premiums to the insurance co to shuffle paper. Medicare does it for 1.5%.

Don't forget lining shareholder pockets. Ever stop and wonder exactly how much you pay for private health insurance is actually paying for the healthcare? Dollars to donuts it's a bigger ripoff than a slight tax hike would be.

“Slight”

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: CharlesT

Being rather selfish and self serving, are you?

I work for my own money and support my own family... I'm not exchanging my precious time, blood, sweat, and tears to support people I owe no responsibility to.

You already do. Where do you think your health insurance payments disappear to, a void? No, they get pooled, then pulled and used to pay another policy holder's claims.

Seriously dude. You're already playing a socialist game here, you just don't realize it.

It’s not a socialist game. My employer goes through a process to select the best private insurance company for our pool. There is no selection process when it comes to socialized health care. We need to end the cronyism and create a true free market health care system. We need to do the opposite of socialized medicine. We haven’t had a free market health system in over a half of a century.

a reply to: ClovenSky

Are you suggesting that people are in tip top shape now because they pay 50% more than any population on the globe?

This is one thing the vast majority of millenials and especially younger generations can agree on. We want it. We need it.

And itll be met with denial by some here, but fact of the matter is - the older generations are DYING out. Literally dying, from old age. Or retiring.

My point is if it doesnt happen under this administration, it will under the next. But im skeptical we will make it that far without if Trump does indeed get 6.5 more years which I see as likely. And you can bet your ass Trump wants to leave behind more legacies than one.

The same goes for other ridiculous things that need changed in this country like the drug laws. If the old bastards wont fix it, we have time on our hands, we can just wait till the dinosaurs stuck in another era are dead n gone.

Basically, there is hope for the future of this country and the world. Because of the younger generations.

Sorry, It is privatized socialism

It’s not a socialist game. My employer goes through a process to select the best private insurance company for our pool. There is no selection process when it comes to socialized health care. We need to end the cronyism and create a true free market health care system. We need to do the opposite of socialized medicine. We haven’t had a free market health system in over a half of a century.

a reply to: Throes

originally posted by: atsgrounded
a reply to: highvein

The VA does a great job and the majority of ex-mil like it. There is a reason horror stories hit the press, and mundane everyday satisfied "customers" go unpublished.

In a country where people CAN CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT, most are satisfied with what THEY CHOSE.

a reply to: highvein

Don't let the media lead you too far from logic.

VA Rates High on Patient Satisfaction in National Survey
www.blogs.va.gov...

originally posted by: Throes

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: CharlesT

Being rather selfish and self serving, are you?

I work for my own money and support my own family... I'm not exchanging my precious time, blood, sweat, and tears to support people I owe no responsibility to.

You already do. Where do you think your health insurance payments disappear to, a void? No, they get pooled, then pulled and used to pay another policy holder's claims.

Seriously dude. You're already playing a socialist game here, you just don't realize it.

It’s not a socialist game. My employer goes through a process to select the best private insurance company for our pool. There is no selection process when it comes to socialized health care. We need to end the cronyism and create a true free market health care system. We need to do the opposite of socialized medicine. We haven’t had a free market health system in over a half of a century.

And after your employer picks a company, what's next?

The payments become a large pool for all paying into it to redraw from to pay claims. Ergo, it's socialism on a private scale.

If you seriously think that your premium is set aside earmarked for ONLY YOU to ever use again, you are a deluded fool like no other.