Mandela Effect - Stouffers Stove Top Stuffing DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE

a reply to: Pearj

I remember StoveTop stuffing, but not that it was Stouffer's or Kraft. I never made it because I was never in the kitchen on Thanksgiving until I made my own as an Adult, always made my own stuffing from scratch. All I remember Stouffer's for was their frozen products. Not a Mandella effect issue for me.

Why isn't there any ME instances of scientific facts changing?
Why isn't there any ME instances of mathematics changing?
Why is it that ME only affects pop culture?

Of all the Mandela effects, this one, oddly enough, has me just about convinced. As a kid I heard stouffers stoventop stuffing on a daily basis watching the price is right.

originally posted by: Pearj
Do you remember Stouffer's Stove Top Stuffing?

I do.

The label had "Stoffer's" at an angle on the top of the box with "Stove Stop Stuffing" below it. The box colors were nearly the same as the Kraft brand - but Stoffer's was a heavier font and angled.

This is no crap - I got a box of Stoffer's stuffing when I was on a cooking kick - I looked at the box on the shelf and had the thought that the label had an "Aldi's" feel vs the more refined Kraft brand next to it (I bought it anyway).


There is an immense amount of 'residue' - tons upon tons of people referencing Stouffer's Stove Top Stuffing in recipes etc - but no images.

As usual, you can find many articles with an image of Kraft stuffing but with the text of "Stoffer's"...

(they give calorie info for Stouffer's stuffing, but show Kraft)

For some reason with the Mandela Effect you get constant examples where the title in the HTML is what we remember - but the photo, byline and text is changed. It doesn't have to do with the code of the page though - because it's prevalent in Newspapers too - where the paper is archived as an image - so the image in a newspaper will be a sale ad titled "Stouffers Stuffing" - with a Kraft box.. ..as though they're combined.



Stouffer's didn't merge with Kraft...

Stouffer's didn't drop their stuffing line..

This doesn't have to do with memory...

..it's not minor, it's not a mistake..

..and it's not lexicon from nothing.


Stouffers Stove Top Stuffing has simply never existed.



So where did all these people get Stouffers Stove Top Stuffing from? They didn't just make it up out of thin air.

Why do I remember two distinctly different boxes right next to each other - even the direct thought "Stouffer's stuffing looks cheap compared to Kraft"?

I don't have an explanation as to how or why this is happening - but I know it's very real. I'd like to talk about the how and why - but we should agree it's actually happening first before we try to 'solve it'.



Surely some of you remember Stouffers Stove Top Stuffing very clearly - I'd like to hear your experience.

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. This eerie and bizarre phenomenon has to be studied closely and ultimately solved, it may answer a number of important questions on the questionable occurrences that have occurred in the past twenty years.

originally posted by: noonebutme
Why isn't there any ME instances of scientific facts changing?
Why isn't there any ME instances of mathematics changing?
Why is it that ME only affects pop culture?

Science, math and pop culture - 'one of these things is not the same'.

Think of it in computing terms.. Pop culture is what you see in your browser, math is what happens in your processor, science is the power source.

You can change your browser, and you can change what you see in your browser - but you can't change needing a power source, and you can't change needing a processor to interpret the 1's and 0's.


So more directly - science and math may be hard-written laws, pop culture is a byproduct.

That's my best guess - hope that makes sense.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: Pearj
Neurology? Are you wanting me to explain how memory becomes knowledge for you again?

I would love that.

Krahzeef_Ukhar wanted me to explain how memory becomes knowledge again.

Instead of typing the same things I've typed in the past, I'll use a new approach - one that requires you to do the thinking.


Consider process and purpose of the terms "memorize" and "exposure".

Now think about your Social Security Number. Do you know it by heart?


You haven't looked at the card in a long time - but you've written the numbers several times (exposure), and now that long string of numbers is stuck in your head forever.

But wait.. memory is fallible - so shouldn't you look at your SS Card every time you need the number? Nope, you're confident you know it.

Why?


I guarantee you've watched The Flintstones more times than you've looked at your Social Security Card. The Flintstones intro is the same every time - So shouldn't you know "Wilma! I'm home!!" by heart?


Memory and exposure are tools in the process of knowledge. You can't arrive at knowledge without them.

Note your stated goal was to understand how memory becomes knowledge - if your SSN isn't a good example, substitute your address, your phone number, your email address, how to tie your shoes, brush your teeth, shift gears, get to work, your mother's maiden name etc.


Note 2: Fred doesn't say "Wilma! I'm home!" in the intro anymore.

a reply to: Pearj

He never said 'Wilma, I'm home!'.

He gets turfed by their sabertooth and pounds on the door to get back in yelling 'Wilma!' in a very Brandoesque manner.

At least that's what I remember.

You have got The Flintstones intro mixed up with The Dinosaurs intro... Lol

originally posted by: nightbringr
a reply to: Pearj

He never said 'Wilma, I'm home!'.

He gets turfed by their sabertooth and pounds on the door to get back in yelling 'Wilma!' in a very Brandoesque manner.

At least that's what I remember.

Lucy I'm home.

I dunno, why would anyone call a product Stouffers Stove Top Stuffing? Just saying, 'Stouffers Stove Top Stuffing' sounds like a tongue twister.

Just so everybody knows, Bam Bam from The Flintstones doesn't say "Not the Mama!" anymore...

a reply to: Pearj

OK, that's an interesting way to answer without answering.

Using the SSN as an example, repetition strengthens the neurological connections.
That is why Mr Berenstain doesn't remember being Berenstein and why you don't remember being PearlJ.

The misunderstanding with ME's is that the pop culture things are strengthened with repetition as much as knowing your own name and that just isn't the case.

I watched the Flintstone's as a kid and don't remember "Wilma I'm Home" I do remember "Wilmaaaaaa".

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Something seemingly unrelated which might help explain this...

A 3rd of car crashes happen a mile away from home.
This is because people become so accustom to what is there through repetition that when something is different they don't actually see it.

Kind of like constantly seeing Goldstein, Einstein, Epstein then assuming it's Berenstein.

originally posted by: noonebutme
Why isn't there any ME instances of scientific facts changing?

There is.

The position of the heart has "changed" apparently.
Of course (as with all ME's) it hasn't effected the people who need to know.

Also geography is a science with plenty of examples.
Again, it hasn't effected cartographers.

a reply to: Pearj

I read the whole thing, Pearj. Thanks for sharing. A lot of what you said applies to me, and I'm sure to others here too, but there are a great number of people who remember "Berenstein Bears." They are people from all walks of life, male and female, intellectual or not. Maybe there is a common link, such as spirituality, but so far I'm seeing so much diversity in the people experiencing this stuff to see it that way. I am the only one in my family who remembers it, yet I have a friend whose friends and close relatives all seemed to remember "Berenstein." Location could be a factor somehow. We don't know what is causing the ME, if it's CERN or UFO's or some unknown galactic event. It's interesting though to ponder the 'why us' question and finding a real link between all of us would be a great stride to finding the cause of it, but I personally doubt it comes down to personality traits. Maybe something in the brain. Or like I say, it may be a matter of being in the 'right place' (the wrong place) at the right time to walk through a portal or something.

I'm writing this late. Hope this makes sense. There must be a link between all of us, but it may take a long time to find it.

a reply to: Pearj

Well, you can't be too self-conscious in conversation or you're losing your power. To a degree we must watch our words in any controversial topic but we also have to allow ourselves to share, explore and express our thoughts. Otherwise, the conversation is weakening under external pressure.

I'm a guy. Are you a sir or ma'am? It's often hard to tell on ATS.

a reply to: noonebutme

You're wrong about that. For me at least (and some others) planes have changed design. Their engines used to be inside the wings, now they're facing outward like canons. Science makes it this way, just as science had made it the other way. So, science has changed.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There have also been changes in human biology and global geography.

test.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Some info:

2010:
Nestle's (OTCPK:NSRGY) recent acquisition of the Kraft (KFT) frozen pizza division makes them the dominant player in frozen foods. With the acquisition, they add such well known brands as DiGiorno, Tombstone and California Pizza Kitchen (NASDAQ:CPKI) to their already powerful frozen entrees and snacks brands (Stouffers, Lean Cusine, Hot Pockets) With sales of more than $5.6 B in frozen foods they are more than triple their next major competitor Conagra (NYSE:CAG) with sales of $1.8B.

seekingalpha.com...

originally posted by: Pearj
Do you remember Stouffer's Stove Top Stuffing?

I do.

The label had "Stoffer's" at an angle on the top of the box with "Stove Stop Stuffing" below it. The box colors were nearly the same as the Kraft brand - but Stoffer's was a heavier font and angled.

This is no crap - I got a box of Stoffer's stuffing when I was on a cooking kick - I looked at the box on the shelf and had the thought that the label had an "Aldi's" feel vs the more refined Kraft brand next to it (I bought it anyway).


There is an immense amount of 'residue' - tons upon tons of people referencing Stouffer's Stove Top Stuffing in recipes etc - but no images.

As usual, you can find many articles with an image of Kraft stuffing but with the text of "Stoffer's"...

(they give calorie info for Stouffer's stuffing, but show Kraft)

For some reason with the Mandela Effect you get constant examples where the title in the HTML is what we remember - but the photo, byline and text is changed. It doesn't have to do with the code of the page though - because it's prevalent in Newspapers too - where the paper is archived as an image - so the image in a newspaper will be a sale ad titled "Stouffers Stuffing" - with a Kraft box.. ..as though they're combined.



Stouffer's didn't merge with Kraft...

Stouffer's didn't drop their stuffing line..

This doesn't have to do with memory...

..it's not minor, it's not a mistake..

..and it's not lexicon from nothing.


Stouffers Stove Top Stuffing has simply never existed.



So where did all these people get Stouffers Stove Top Stuffing from? They didn't just make it up out of thin air.

Why do I remember two distinctly different boxes right next to each other - even the direct thought "Stouffer's stuffing looks cheap compared to Kraft"?

I don't have an explanation as to how or why this is happening - but I know it's very real. I'd like to talk about the how and why - but we should agree it's actually happening first before we try to 'solve it'.



Surely some of you remember Stouffers Stove Top Stuffing very clearly - I'd like to hear your experience.

This is not a mandella effect. Stove Top stuffing was invented in 1972 and brought to market by parent company General Food's, who owned Stouffer's. It was later purchased by Philip Morris in 1985. At some point the Stouffer's name was acquired by Nestle, but in 1990 Philip Morris acquired Kraft, and in 1995 they moved the stove top line into the Kraft Branding.

It's been Kraft Stove Top stuffing since 1995, before that was Stouffer's, and before Stouffer's it was General Foods.

I'm a believer in mandella effects, but this one isn't one. There really was just a bunch of corporate take overs, which resulted in the branding change.

If you were old enough to be buying stuffing before 95' or remember the TV spots from before '95, then you will accurately remember Stouffer's stove top stuffing.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Guy.

I agree, common traits are widely dispersed (young/old, poor/rich, etc). A lot of folks attribute the ME to CERN, but it may be "deeper" than that - there's a lot of spiritual oddities that are occurring now, it would be a disservice for some not to mention it. The physical cause may be CERN, but the source may be supernatural.

I've been looking for commonality since this started. I can't find any other than age*, which is why I use the "cause could be childhood vaccinations" example, *but then there are a lot of older folks (>70) that remember Franklin Delanor Roosevelt - and young folks (<20) that don't have a range of experience yet.

The text I removed would of caused the thread to derail. This thread has people talking almost normally (goal), and I don't want to be the one to throw it off the tracks. I referred to them as primal, and described aspects I see in them in detail. You and I are likely 'observers', and we essentially said the same things - but I have a responsibility as the primary host of these conversations.. Consider after we're all aware.. When people look back at the threads they scoffed at - I want them to see their nature (if they're able) - it could be a growth opportunity for them or others.

When that poster said "why not math and science", I assumed they were talking about 'why is up still up' and '2+2 still 4'. Pop culture is a human construct, not a universal law (if 2+2 wasn't 4, there wouldn't be a universe). I'm sure it fell on deaf ears, but others reading may be able to understand.


A large group of the population changed and they all have similar traits. I'm absolutely positive about that. ATS has changed.. Apparently we are anomalies in this new world. We are a spreading infection to them, and so they have a job to do - and you can see them working hard at it. I don't think they have a choice - and that's an important distinction. If their deck is truly limited, then 'adapting' is beyond them, and as the ME spreads, limited mindsets will inevitably be encompassed. At that time, we'll all be aware; regardless of our ability to deal with it.