F.B.I. Raids Office of Trump’s Longtime Lawyer Michael Cohen

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Did you shuffle over $100k in a lump sum to a shell company first, thence to a lawyer representing some other person? Seems the bank might want to know more about that sort of transaction.

a reply to: Phage

My bank didn't require me to tell them anything about how we used the credit.

So, I could have.

So far 90% of the (dis)info from the MSM is BS

Every "expert" has the got the Call of Duty message 😆

Give this another week, and people might "get it" 😀

a reply to: MotherMayEye

With my HELOC I had "checks" that I used. I wonder if the bank would have been interested if I wrote a check for $130,000 off of it, to a single entity.

Come to think of it, I wonder if Cohen tried to write off the interest on the loan. Tax fraud too?

a reply to: Phage

Perhaps that is true, but I am still godsmacked on how that would prove Russian collusion.

Also if trump was not aware of what Cohan, did it turns into a hard case to prove taking it to court is just what America needs a case over a president and a porn Star, in other news does not prove Russian collusion, creates dissent thou perhaps, helps solve nothing and prevents our country from achieving anything worthwhile and provides an excuse for future failures.

The moral I am getting from this whole special investigation is if the democrats can’t win they must destroy the system. Whatever you want to call it the optics are pretty clear and focused.

Not to mention stormy Daniels is in it for the money, the morals of the country has literally slummed into the mind of a pornstar and a reality tv show host if you want to call him that.

The lack of gravitas on matters of the state in the news and the circus act distractions contrived up by those who hold power is the biggest concern that is what makes me feel their are some serious secrets, and real serious problem the world is about to face. Keeping people ignorant is easier to manage than keeping them informed of the reality. I find it coincidental every single time something serious in geo politics occurs we get distracted by the media with tabloid stories about our president. Think about it. I won’t give examples because most of us here keep up with the real stories real news in the world. It’s just interesting, I am just reflecting on things, I think 🤔 what’s happening geo politically is serious enough to have the powers that be distract their people with porn stars and a reality show host.

a reply to: Bicent

Perhaps that is true, but I am still godsmacked on how that would prove Russian collusion.

Who said it does?

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Meniscus
a reply to: F4guy

I must be missing how a personal equity loan is bank fraud or breaks campaign finance laws. If you pay off a porn star to sign an nda.

Paying money on Trumps behalf constitutes a gift. There is a legal limit on how much money you can gift to a Presidential candidate.

Trump repaying the money also goes against the legal limitations on what campaign funds can be used for.

If Trump repaid Cohen out of his personal funds, this wouldn't be an issue... using campaign funds has strings attached though.

Basically, Trump is such a stable genius that he took a relatively minor civil suit, and then made every legal misstep he could have possibly made, and turned it into a major criminal suit.

So basically this is a fishing expedition to find out if the money came from a loan against the campaign? And where the money came from to pay it back? That seems like a pretty low standard to raid multiple locations of a lawyer representing the president. Its not out of the realm of possibility that Cohen working on behalf of the Trump organization not the campaign itself made the payment using Trumps personal money.

a reply to: Meniscus

So basically this is a fishing expedition to find out if the money came from a loan against the campaign?

It seems that there is enough evidence already in hand that makes it more than a fishing expedition.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MotherMayEye

With my HELOC I had "checks" that I used. I wonder if the bank would have been interested if I wrote a check for $130,000 off of it, to a single entity.

Come to think of it, I wonder if Cohen tried to write off the interest on the loan. Tax fraud too?

Essential Consultants, LLC. Probably not a name to raise any flags but still, you don't have to use a home equity line of credit to make home improvements.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MotherMayEye


Come to think of it, I wonder if Cohen tried to write off the interest on the loan. Tax fraud too?

Tax fraud is the most plausible suggestion I've heard.

a reply to: Phage

With my HELOC I had "checks" that I used. I wonder if the bank would have been interested if I wrote a check for $130,000 off of it, to a single entity.

Why would they? Did you sign an agreement with them stating what the money could be used for?

A bank loan is exactly that: a loan. What you use the money for is your business as long as you maintain the collateral requirements specified in the loan contract. It's no different than using a credit card... does VISA tell you what you can and can't purchase with their card?

TheRedneck

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Of course you don't have to use the money for home improvements. Some people pay for their kids' college. Some people take a cruise. But it's the bank's money.

Of course, if you tell the IRS you used it on home improvements you may find you have a problem.

a reply to: Phage

Its not bank fraud. Personal equity loan. You can spend it on anything. The bank doesn't care what its for.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

It is legal to write off interest on a mortgage, regardless of what the money was used for.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Meniscus

No he used a referral because whatever crime the lawyer commited was outside of the “Russian collusion “ charter.

So he hands off the evidence to the New York DA and the New York office thought it was enough evidence to raid him.


PS Cohn didn’t do much lawyering for trump.. he was his shady side lawyer who handled off the record stuff..

He has big wig buisness lawyers for his day today stuff.

a reply to: Phage

Soooo. He tried to keep the payment secret. Big deal. Any person with notoriety would.

a reply to: TheRedneck

It is legal to write off interest on a mortgage, regardless of what the money was used for.

Under the old code you could, up to $100,000 (married) on the HELOC.
Not so with the new code.

originally posted by: Meniscus
a reply to: Phage

Soooo. He tried to keep the payment secret. Big deal. Any person with notoriety would.

If he lied to the bank about it, that's bank fraud.

Not sure if this has been posted, but this Rolling Stone article on Cohen and his connections to Russian mafia who by the looks of it, were laundering money thru Trump real estate deals.

www.rollingstone.com...

Pretty impressive article in terms of background of many of the players.

a reply to: Bicent

This is a case separate from collusion, that's why it's not being handled by Mueller.