"non" tippers are a zero sum in society

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Abysha
People who don't tip are near the lowest rung of society. Right next to people who litter.

Would it be wrong to toss non-tippers out like litter? Hmmmm.

Well everybody can "reserve the right to refuse service" but non-tippers are like house guests that pee the bed; you don't even find out until they are already leaving.

Servers don't own the Restaurant, you are lucky of course to have a job there with this type of attitude toward the customers.

I wouldn't work for anybody who didn't have that attitude. I wouldn't drink anywhere like that, either.

If I wanted to kiss ass to make money, I'd become a politician. If I wanted to pay people to kiss my ass, I'd become a lobbyist.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Abysha

Taxing tips and income is a different argument, it's why I give servers cash every time in their own hand.
Do you disagree with the info at the link another member posted:
www.dol.gov...

That map doesn't mean the purple states don't tax sales.

Here's how it works:

- You order a 10.00 meal.
- Your server is going to have 1.00 added to their taxable income, regardless of whether or not you tip.
- If you don't tip, you cost them money.
- If you tip 10%, your karma is clear.
- If you tip over 10%, then you're on the path of decency.

a reply to: Abysha

Call me stupid but I still don't get it, so I'll give an example of a girlfriend of mine:
She serves at a local resaurant, gets paid £9.50 an hour for her work, above minimum wage, but often goes home with between £50 and £100+ cash extra in tips depending on the night. The government only knows about her earnings, and pretty much everyone tips in cash here, only the bill is paid by card.
I'm struggling to understand paying people below minimum wage because they may or may not get tipped.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Abysha

Call me stupid but I still don't get it, so I'll give an example of a girlfriend of mine:
She serves at a local resaurant, gets paid £9.50 an hour for her work, above minimum wage, but often goes home with between £50 and £100+ cash extra in tips depending on the night. The government only knows about her earnings, and pretty much everyone tips in cash here, only the bill is paid by card.
I'm struggling to understand paying people below minimum wage because they may or may not get tipped.

Because it doesn't make sense. The twist of the knife is that the IRS expects a server to be tipped at least 8% on their sales. If it is less than that, they get taxed for it, anyway. Most employers require servers to report at least 10%, no matter how little they made.


ps - I won't call you stupid just because you are having difficulty wrapping your head around a stupid system. Most people don't understand it. Because it's stupid.

a reply to: Abysha

If I wanted people to kiss my ass for money, I'd become a lobbyist.

Great line!

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
It is complicated!
Then there's the whole tip credit for employers and it still could only equal $7.25/hr which is crap really even in a entry level job putting yourself through school or whatever.
The company I work for just raised the wage to $9/hr about a year and a half ago. There was a proclamation last week that the state will be bumping those type of workers another 41 cents on the hour so there's that but, if it wasn't for the State, I don't think raises would have come. And those folks are the bread and butter!!! They earn the money not us in administration, truly!

I worked once as a young single mother as a waitress; I also worked as a housemaid in a hotel. I still remember the bitter feeling when people who got all their little weird wishes fulfilled didn't leave anything on the table. I still remember the feeling of not feeling my feet when I got home in the evenings. Thanks heaven I moved on past that kind of jobs.

So I always tip. It must be a real disaster to decide that the person serving me doesn't deserve a tip. I don't judge people who don't tip, but for me tipping is a way of saying " I know you do a crappy job; here's a little something as a sign of appreciation".
Is not a big deal but can make a world of difference.

originally posted by: badw0lf
a reply to: Sublimecraft

You tip?

Tipping is an American thing. I would never tip in Australia.

Me......

Whenever I am in the US, I will tip at least 20%

Just when in America - I'll tip as this is the appropriate thing to do. In Aus, folks get compliments and a 'keep the change' thing - depending on how drunk I am at the time.

a reply to: Abysha
Ah got ya! So the IRS assumes tips then, the bastards.
Doesn't happen here, so another reason people mostly tip in cash, makes a good earner being a server then.
Busy tourist time again starting here so my friends in the game are looking forward to making lots of cash. The restuarant a friend is working tonight is rammed full so she tells me, because of the crap weather.
They tend to eat fast food at the beach if it's sunny and warm lol, every indoor charging business loves the rain here, including cab drivers.

a reply to: TNMockingbird
Mad how big government Britain actually has a simpler system regarding taxes for once compared to the US!
Good money for 6 months of the year for servers here, all that dirty cash exchanging hands in tips, I bet HM Revenue & Customs would love to assume tips like the IRS.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

What 'other traits' do bad tippers have in your opinion?

Miserable attitudes.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

What 'other traits' do bad tippers have in your opinion?

Miserable attitudes.

The attidude of the server massively influences any tip from me.
I want to feel welcomed, and natural smiles with friendly conversation is what I'm paying for when I slip notes into a servers hand.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy


That's a given, I'm referring to the cheap miserable bastards that still don't tip when that occurs.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy


That's a given, I'm referring to the cheap miserable bastards that still don't tip when that occurs.

I send my message in such a circumstances with the smallest UK note £5, and always having a marker pen on me I've drawn a smiley face on the queen's, and written 'smile next time, you'd get more x'
...I draw moustaches or glasses on the queen all the time though so any note you get from me is likely to be defaced.
Yeah yeah, it's against the law so any agents of the Crown reading this just message me and I'll meet at a police station, lol my day in court would be a proper laugh.

EDIT
LMAO it's a schedule 1 penalty defacing UK bank notes, only a £200 max fine, well worth it for the childish chuckle I've had over the years drawing on the queens face. Beards, moustaches, glasses, ear-rings, devil horns, it never gets boring.

originally posted by: BadBoYeed
a reply to: Abysha

Yup, I used to make $2.13 an hour, and my paychecks were negative $80 a week. Relied 100% on tips.

I used to make $2.10 an hour and I got zero tips, because working retail, you simply do not. But those folks working in a restaurant in the same building got tips. What is so special about them? Were they "serving" customers better than I was? I don't think so. I gave excellent customer service, but I served books instead of plates of food. So no tips. So when people get haughty and tell me how they deserve tips because they are so poor I have to ask ,What makes you so damned special?

a reply to: schuyler

Isn't it because the IRS assume tips and tax something like 8% from tipping jobs like servers at restaurants as I've read others say?
Did you get taxed on assumed tips selling books?

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: BadBoYeed
a reply to: Abysha

Yup, I used to make $2.13 an hour, and my paychecks were negative $80 a week. Relied 100% on tips.

I used to make $2.10 an hour and I got zero tips, because working retail, you simply do not. But those folks working in a restaurant in the same building got tips. What is so special about them? Were they "serving" customers better than I was? I don't think so. I gave excellent customer service, but I served books instead of plates of food. So no tips. So when people get haughty and tell me how they deserve tips because they are so poor I have to ask ,What makes you so damned special?

What year was this?! Was that the minimum wage at the time?

And in any case, I have never seen my book salesperson sweating from running in circles for hours or have to balance trays of hot food through a crowded area.

I'm sorry but serving tables is much more difficult than retail.

originally posted by: Abysha
I'm sorry but serving tables is much more difficult than retail.

I wouldn't be sorry, it's true. It's why I think the assumed tips thing by the IRS is pretty outrageous.

a reply to: Abysha

i just want to chime and and say if thats you in your avatar you remind me of the deadliest woman in the world with a dodgeball.
not in the movie but the the lay who plays her

missi pyle

not a knock. its awesome

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: BadBoYeed
a reply to: Abysha

Yup, I used to make $2.13 an hour, and my paychecks were negative $80 a week. Relied 100% on tips.

I used to make $2.10 an hour and I got zero tips, because working retail, you simply do not. But those folks working in a restaurant in the same building got tips. What is so special about them? Were they "serving" customers better than I was? I don't think so. I gave excellent customer service, but I served books instead of plates of food. So no tips. So when people get haughty and tell me how they deserve tips because they are so poor I have to ask ,What makes you so damned special?

What year was this?! Was that the minimum wage at the time?

And in any case, I have never seen my book salesperson sweating from running in circles for hours or have to balance trays of hot food through a crowded area.

I'm sorry but serving tables is much more difficult than retail.

Ever worked retail during the Holiday rush? I'm sorry, but I don't think you work any harder

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: schuyler

Isn't it because the IRS assume tips and tax something like 8% from tipping jobs like servers at restaurants as I've read others say?
Did you get taxed on assumed tips selling books?

Oh, please. At those wages you don't pay income taxes. Half the people do not, and the minimum wage people surely don't.