"non" tippers are a zero sum in society

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Abysha

Do you not support calls for businesses to just pay a decent wage in the first place?
I've a few friends in the business and the staff earn okay without tips.
Most people do tip though if the service is worth it. The payment system in the US for servers just seems like exploitation of workers to me, are you like the only country in the world that deliberately pay low wages because of tips?
Glad we don't have that here.

It's totally a crap way of doing it, you are right. But it has also fomented an interesting serving culture where a single mom can work her way into a position that pays career-esque wages and have a flexible schedule to work with daycare.

Many tipped positions in America have become trades, in a sense (we even have bartending academies, etc). But ultimately, generous tipping is one of the most charming things about my country and I consider bad tippers to be a bit unAmerican, in many regards. We aren't supposed to be looking for handouts and having your server pay for part of your meal is certainly getting a handout.

If I could change it, I'm not so sure I would. Like I said, it creates a unique culture class that I absolutely adore. I've done a lot of things for money but I generally try to keep my work in those industries, even if I'm just doing social media for them or shopping for supplies, etc. There is often a strange fight-club-type camaraderie that makes it worth it.

a reply to: Abysha
Thanks for the interesting reply, I forget how different our cultures are sometimes.
I always tip cash as well, don't want the pesky government taking it's cut from the server if they don't wish to declare it.

a reply to: tadaman

Sorry about your bad experiences, Tadaman.

That lady sounds like a big miserable B... I don't envy her.

When people treat us like objects it hurts a lot. Some people have this really strong evil energy that we're almost never prepared for. I think your conditions are reasonable, to prevent further exposure from those toxic people. Surround yourself with love and treat yourself to something nice, you deserve it!

*forehead meet & long hug*

As an internet expert on everything, I have a few things to say about tipping.

Tipping originated in France in the 1440's. It was known as a "Spit Tax". If you "tipped", then you got no spit in your frog-snails.

Now frog-snails is a food that the French came up with to irritate American tourists. American tourists (also known as "Merde") were forced to eat frog-snails because they lost the great Canadian War of 1492.

Thank you for your time in reading this.



That'll be 5 dollars please.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

Insisting on tipping is adding extra to the price - don't you insist on tipping?

I tip for good service, not because it's compulsory. But when I tip I tip well because I'm not a cheap bastard.

This really is simple, why so confused?

originally posted by: geezlouise
Some people have this really strong evil energy that we're almost never prepared for.

Most people are aware if it now and prep for my arrival.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

Insisting on tipping is adding extra to the price - don't you insist on tipping?

I tip for good service, not because it's compulsory. But when I tip I tip well because I'm not a cheap bastard.

This really is simple, why so confused?

This reminds me of those conversations where a guy who's disrespectful to his wife will start mocking other guys who treat their wives with respect. I'm sure you have friends like that and claim you are "whipped" just because you aren't a jerk.

originally posted by: Abysha
...just because you aren't a jerk.

You have me confused with some non-jerk on the site?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

HA.

But I like your kind of evil.

originally posted by: geezlouise
HA.

But I like your kind of evil.

I'm gonna evil the hell out of all of you in Denver.

Be sure to tip.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I can't wait.

I'm also programmed to tip. You'll get yours!

I can't imagine not leaving a tip. I've had dinner/lunch companions before that didn't, and I remember thinking "ew", and throwing another bill down to try to make up for it somewhat, without saying a word. Not tipping is tacky.

For the record , I usually trip more at a restaurant then at a strip club . Unless theres a sandwich involved. But it does seem servers these days think they are entitled to a tip.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: Abysha

By allowing and demanding this to go on, you HELP the boss, you HELP never getting any better wages. I am doing you a favour by winding you up enough so that you don't just kiss ass but actually start doing something about this unfair practice.

If you truly didn't want to support "subsidized wages", don't eat there in the first place. Paying the boss but not the server isn't going to teach the boss a lesson, lol. What kind of logic is that? That's just self-righteous justification. Screwing over your server isn't a brave stand against the boss nor some moral high ground; it's nothing more than you getting in the way of them paying their bills.

I can eat in any public restaurant if I want to. Which I do, here in Europe. Trust me, trust me that I will never put a foot into any establishment in your country. Not just because I would hate being forced to give subsidy and help out the boss but because I have absolutely no intentions to ever visit the USA in the first place. It sounds like a s4it hole in the making.

So no, not self righteous but my actual, honest opinion.

a reply to: MajorAce

Many, many years ago the dancers had to not only pay the house but the DJ and worked entirely off tips in an awful lot of places. I'm specifically speaking about Florida and independent contractors.
It was almost like renting a space to do business but having no contract agreement in price so if the dancer did well the house did well that night also.
Things may be different now but I've always tipped dancers well too because I knew that they were counting on those tips and private dances.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
The whole purpose of a tip is gone and it should have the name changed.

Forced payment is not a tip. Tipping used to make both the good worker and the customer feel good and it was not for those who were bad workers.

Or it could simply be a "hey thanks for handing me # so I can just sit here and look at my phone".

I swear, it's the older generations who are the "entitlement generation".

I have owned a restaurant and I have seen customers left waiting while one of the waitresses decides to flirt with the cute guy instead of serving them. I have seen plenty of nasty servers and a "Gratuity" make zero sense to someone who left you to go make a cigarette and you have cold food or no coffee.

No one seems "grateful" to the bus boy or the dishwasher. How about the person who comes in at 2 AM to make donuts? Where is their "gratuity"?

If you go out for a meal you have a right to be comfortable and "look at your phone" if you feel like it. You have an obligation to pay for your food. You have no obligation to be grateful for a job badly done.

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originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
The whole purpose of a tip is gone and it should have the name changed.

Forced payment is not a tip. Tipping used to make both the good worker and the customer feel good and it was not for those who were bad workers.

Or it could simply be a "hey thanks for handing me # so I can just sit here and look at my phone".

I swear, it's the older generations who are the "entitlement generation".

I have owned a restaurant and I have seen customers left waiting while one of the waitresses decides to flirt with the cute guy instead of serving them. I have seen plenty of nasty servers and a "Gratuity" make zero sense to someone who left you to go make a cigarette and you have cold food or no coffee.

No one seems "grateful" to the bus boy or the dishwasher. How about the person who comes in at 2 AM to make donuts? Where is their "gratuity"?

If you go out for a meal you have a right to be comfortable and "look at your phone" if you feel like it. You have an obligation to pay for your food. You have no obligation to be grateful for a job badly done.

If you hired and retained crappy workers, that's on you. Did you make them report their tips for the IRS? If so, I don't see how you could be so cavalier with their money.

And if you are concerned about the rest of the employees, they are supposed to be paid more than the servers and get tipped out, as well. They are not taxed for sales like servers, either.

originally posted by: Hecate666

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: Abysha

By allowing and demanding this to go on, you HELP the boss, you HELP never getting any better wages. I am doing you a favour by winding you up enough so that you don't just kiss ass but actually start doing something about this unfair practice.

If you truly didn't want to support "subsidized wages", don't eat there in the first place. Paying the boss but not the server isn't going to teach the boss a lesson, lol. What kind of logic is that? That's just self-righteous justification. Screwing over your server isn't a brave stand against the boss nor some moral high ground; it's nothing more than you getting in the way of them paying their bills.

Not just because I would hate being forced to give subsidy and help out the boss but because I have absolutely no intentions to ever visit the USA in the first place. It sounds like a s4it hole in the making.

I don't blame you. We're stuck in it which is why you should be tipping us if you visit, lol.

I still don't think you understand the tax situation fully. You aren't hurting anybody but your server when you don't tip. That person is paying for a portion of your meal and a 10% tip is only reimbursing them. Anything less than that and you are freeloading.

originally posted by: Abysha
Anything less than that and you are freeloading.

All freeloaders should be exported to a giant island filled with highly venomous creatures.