"non" tippers are a zero sum in society

originally posted by: intrptr
No tippers probably go to church and pray for you too. Rather than actually lend a hand to help, they pray. How 'fortune'-ate you are to get their prayers.

Like a plaque instead of a raise, a medal instead of a promotion, a Platinum policy, Gold rewards, miles, minutes, and ribbons...

meh

I have known of people tipping Chick Tracts. Talk about pissing the entire restaurant staff off.

ETA: Although Chick Tracts are great reading material.

originally posted by: Iscool
a reply to: tadaman
We go to a restaurant, order a meal and then have to pay someone to walk it over to us...Crazy...

If you don't like it, you can always walk your happy ass back to the kitchen, put the order in yourself & retrieve your own food when the cook's done spitting in it. And cutlery, drinks & subsequent refills (make your own pot of coffee, too) on-request condiments, etc.

People with attitudes like yours are why I & others in this thread tip well. That entitled, "cater-to-me, Jeeves!" holier-than-thou attitude, and you're easy to spot.

originally posted by: jidnum
...WE HAVE TO tip or we are either poor or scum bag elitists.

Pretty much.

originally posted by: Tundra
I have known of people tipping Chick Tracts.

We had a couple winners do something similar at my places.

"Have you been saved?" No, but it looks like you saved something you cheap bastards.

Pathetic post, its basically a complaint about their own life and life choices.

a reply to: tadaman

I'm a 'keep the change' kinda guy IF I don't get the attitude. I'm not a pleasant person but I do have manners, and when someones service is unsatisfactory? no dice. I am polite and considerate and I expect others to treat me as I do them.

For example two nights ago I was forced to wait in a grocery store line for five minutes as the clerk gossiped with some woman, then finally when my time came I said "how are you? i'm fine for a bag thanks I brought my own" she completely ignored me, put my two items in a bag and just handed me the change. At this point I usually say "thank you, keep the change and have a good one" but this lady didn't show me any courtesy so I reciprocated and just walked out.

But there are some customers who show no courtesy as well. One time I was in the aisle at the super market and the woman ahead of me-who was more plastic then person-literally pushed a shopping trolley into my shins, i'm thinking she thought the "help" would collect it. Sure me sending the trolley spinning across the aisles was no exactly courteous but my point was made and when I asked the cashier "don't you hate that?" she simply gave me a resigned look; she obviously dealt with female dogs before.

Here's a tip for tips-an elephant never forgets a face.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

I'm a 'keep the change' kinda guy IF I don't get the attitude. I'm not a pleasant person but I do have manners, and when someones service is unsatisfactory? no dice. I am polite and considerate and I expect others to treat me as I do them.

I can relate to that. It's becoming more problematic with the rise in self-service. I mean, who in their right mind is gonna tip staff when all they do is give you a paper cup or point you to the self-service counter? I tend to not return to those places. Bill Burr once said, "Do you see my #ing apron? No? That's because I don't #ing work here."

originally posted by: Tundra

originally posted by: intrptr
No tippers probably go to church and pray for you too. Rather than actually lend a hand to help, they pray. How 'fortune'-ate you are to get their prayers.

Like a plaque instead of a raise, a medal instead of a promotion, a Platinum policy, Gold rewards, miles, minutes, and ribbons...

meh

I have known of people tipping Chick Tracts. Talk about pissing the entire restaurant staff off.

Free Literature as a tip. My brother and his wife visited yesterday, they had been to a picnic, brought us some leftovers.

I'm thinking like, why do you always bring leftovers? The whatever it is has been sitting on a picnic table in the sun for hours, its flyblown, nobody ate it, lets regift it.

Thank you so much...

originally posted by: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: jidnum

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Abysha

Well, in Schuylers defense, I tip everyone based upon their level of customer service - this includes all interactions ranging from food through to the taxi driver and every encounter inbetween - 20% minimum.

I'm acutely aware of the hospitality industry as I spend the lions share of my time eating and drinking in pubs and restaurants, plus my wife is a restaurant/bar manager so I know, intimately, what sh!t she has to put up with, and it's the same everywhere in that industry so they get the big tips.

Ah ok so you admit that you tip out of pity most of the time, but not because someone did more than their job entailed.

Gotcha.

Pull ya head in dickhead - your presumptions versus my conduct are at polar opposites.

but you literally just said

plus my wife is a restaurant/bar manager so I know, intimately, what sh!t she has to put up with, and it's the same everywhere in that industry so they get the big tips.

Not sure how you don't see what you said as pity tipping when you literally explained why you give them big tips is because of the sh!t they go through. Is that not pity? LMAO

Also not sure why you take so much offense to the point you have to name call.

It must be a very sensitive subject for you I guess.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: jidnum
...WE HAVE TO tip or we are either poor or scum bag elitists.

Pretty much.

Nice way to completely cut out only what you wanted to hear. LMFAO. who are you? A fake news agency? Quote my entire post not a portion of it.

Funny thing is, these people accepted the job knowing it's a tipping position and still decided to take the job. Why? Probably because they fell for the employer telling them they make good tips. Or tell them our avg worker makes X amount of tips a night and they fall for it.

Accepting a tipping job is like buying a get rich quick program. RESULTS MAY VARY. So instead of blaming the customer, blame your self. you took the job. Tips are optional, not an obligation. This just shows the true colors of people and how greedy they are when they expect someone to just give them money for doing what they were hired to do, instead of holding the employer responsible. Again, a customer is not responsible for making up for your low wage and as a customer I am not going to tip if someone does their job, only if they go above and beyond their normal tasks. Otherwise, take that up with your mgr not the customer.

a reply to: jidnum


Maybe when you figure out how the service industry functions in the United States, which it has done for some time, you can come back and give all of us who were in it an education.

Stupid post First I do tip but not because you need a tip but because when I do I get better service I TIP FOR ME not you .
Give me louse service and see. I tip the garbage man I tip the hair dresser I tip the dog groomer .
Now lets face reality Your greedy o you get paid to do a job BUT no you will cheat scrimp and scam people unless you get your tip .
My friend we how tip are not tipping you we are Bribing you . Because if your job and service meant a hoot in holler you would do it without demanding tips .

As for all you waters stop working for cheep bosses and maybe you could get paid enough to not need bribes .
I just paid you good money to do a job then you come and want more and hold whats left of the job as ransom if you dont get it .

Tipping is been around from the days of Arthur and always revolves on the fact people are greedy and giving them your last dime ( Like the old lady makes you feal so good wile she is broke .
If Jesus word meant a thing that day when the poor women gave her last coin and the rich man said why bless her Jesus would have giving it back ten fold .

So much for being free of sin .

This post falls right in with Christmas bonuses .
Boss decides well heck ill be cool give them a little extra then next year if you dont get it you strike .
My son works for a moving company and gets furniture given to him from people alot then sells it and makes extra money so far his boss has turned a blind eye to it but that will change soon as he now has half the employs bringing it to him .

Now he says if they tell him he can not get it any more he will quit . Yea right well I wate the day when rerality rears its ugly head he is not that special .

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: jidnum


Maybe when you figure out how the service industry functions in the United States, which it has done for some time, you can come back and give all of us who were in it an education.

Judging by the response below you, anyone in customer catering position of legally allowed offensively low pay requiring tipping to make even a partial living isn't on the ladder of humankind anymore. You just exist to hand them the food they shove in their mouths.

I didn't think anyone was arrogant enough to not choose their wording carefully, to make statements & have attitudes just this side of the line of admitting they believe there's someone less worthy of respect & compensation for the effort than a politician, but there we have it -- food service employees are beneath even them on the ladder of life. Waitstaff apparently doesn't deserve anything other than to comply when the fatass at the table says "JUMP, lowly worm! Bring food!" That's a pretty clandestine elitism cancer there.

a reply to: Nyiah

It has actually shocked me that members think it's actually okay and acceptable to pay staff below minimum wage, allow the IRS to tax on assumed tips, then expect X% of the meal to be paid in tips by the customer.
WTF kind of business model is that?!

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Nyiah

It has actually shocked me that members think it's actually okay and acceptable to pay staff below minimum wage, allow the IRS to tax on assumed tips, then expect X% of the meal to be paid in tips by the customer.
WTF kind of business model is that?!

It IS offensive, and must change. It's not remotely something that simply "needs" to change, it must. This is one of the last ways of taking utter advantage of employees for next to nothing, with no recourse, that we still legally allow. I see no reason to continue to allow less than minimum wage pay because someone *may* leave a tip that bridges that gap anymore. A legitimately civilized society does better than this.

I also find it no coincidence that people in the food industry are viewed as poorly as & compensated as badly as those who harvest what is eventually bought/served. American culture feels that those who harvest the crops in virtual indentured servitude (immigrants, legal or otherwise) and those who serve it to the entitled smug jackasses aren't worthy of anything but sneers. Those who deal with food are the lowest of society still. I thought we left that Old Worlds aristocrat attitude in England when we split from it.
Guess not. Still subtly stuck centuries in the past, we are. Back to the fields and kitchens, peasants!

We indeed have an issue with food in this country, but it's not just limited to how much of it we shovel in.

a reply to: midnightstar

Sounds like an ambitious young man. He should do what he feels is right.

I used to haul everything from ACs to dollies with furniture all the way home on the subway.

I furnished my new apartment in less than 2 months from working in junk removal. Moving has less pickings. People have infinitely repeated crap mostly.

I know most people wont believe what I will say next as most see manual labor as unskilled for the most part, but the reality is :

Its harder to replace a good mover than it is for the mover to replace a "good" job with a moving company.

Part of the benefit of not having job security is that you dont have to take an iota of BS when you are good at what you do.

His boss is a dick? No problem. There is NOTHING special about his boss or his current job.

Your boy can do what ever he wants. He should buy a truck and subcontract as an owner/ operator.

If hes good at what he does then everyone is always hiring anyways.

He would be able to buy a house outright in a few years if he works like hes hungry. Ive seen it plenty.

Any ways, give him a supportive slap on the ass, not a smack down into his place.

Let him be awesome.

originally posted by: Nyiah
I thought we left that Old Worlds aristocrat attitude in England when we split from it.

That's the mad thing, in the UK everyone gets minimum wage or above depending on the business.
Taxes are not assumed on expected tips, and if they are paid in cash then the server gets it all and can tell the government to go # itself if they don't wish to declare it.
A girlfriend of mine earned £9.50 an hour for her 6 hour shift last night (minimum wage is £7.50) and left with an extra £90 cash in her pocket just from tips. Maybe meals cost more in the UK but anyone bitching about that seems to me to be someone who likes exploiting workers.

originally posted by: Nyiah
I didn't think anyone was arrogant enough to not choose their wording carefully, to make statements & have attitudes just this side of the line of admitting they believe there's someone less worthy of respect & compensation for the effort than a politician, but there we have it -- food service employees are beneath even them on the ladder of life.

That's why all their grub needs to come with extra spit, even if they're not cops.

a reply to: Nyiah

no actually you never learned the difference between the term tip and wage.

a tip is something you get for a reward for service above and beyond

a wage is pay for services rendered.

the waiters and waitresses need to come togther to have this practice of taxing tips abolished why because your employer getting over on the wait staff .

think about it the cooks get paid a wage

the busboys get paid a wage

the bartender gets paid a wage

the manager gets pid a wage

wait staff works for tips only geting a wage if there tips were short

your boss technically working you with out paying you for your work if your job burns down will you get unemployment like rest of staff ? or less?